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Old 07-06-2009, 01:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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as a farmer I am dependent on the weather for my livelyhood.. so considering that we have had an amazing spate of bad weather and quite a lot of product loss I am wondering if the LOA can be attributed to this or if it is just completely out of my hands... If I manifest my reality in totality do I manifest crop failure etc? Someone please answer this....
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Depending on how religious you are, it's hard for a discerning mind to put any faith in the power of LOA to alter weather.

LOA works through perceptual filters, mind-set, group psychology, etc.

The weather does not rely on any of these kinds of factors - unless you were to somehow influence people who have the power to control the weather.

Much more applicable use of LOA in your situation would be an LOA belief which encourages you to see the bright side of your situation, or perhaps create a new interest and invite that interest into your reality.

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Practically nothing is out of your hands.

I've actually been able to do this sometimes, so yes, it can be done. I think part of the reasons this worked versus other things that were more important for me, is that I wasn't very attached to it. Often when we are able to briefly focus our intent on something, yet don't constantly dwell on it, we can make things happen better. Other times focusing more can work. But I definitely find that the things I'm not as interested in, seem to just naturally work. Now I need to make that work in all areas of life. Just make sure to have a lot of positive thoughts and feeling regarding this, rather than anything negative.
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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These are some personal stories I wrote originally for a thread/post someone started here quite a while back about influencing the weather (I never posted what I wrote).

Since threads on weather come up now and then and I’m always about to post this but then chicken out, I thought now I’d finally throw it into this weather-thread just in case it might offer some inspiration re: possibilities in your situation (garentee), and for whoever might be interested in my stories.

I’m a meteorology buff, love all kinds of weather and generally don’t try to change it, but, for what it’s worth, here are some experiences I’ve had with LOA applied to the weather.

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Earlier this year I had to drive a few hours to a town up in the mountains. Rain was predicted for much of my driving area but above 5,500 feet the forecast was SNOW. A large part of the road I had to take is above that altitude, with parts going over 7,000. I didn’t want to hit snow that night since I dreaded having to put on the required tire chains in the dark & blowing snow and it would also delay me so I may not make it for the motel check-in, restaurants, etc.
As I drove through the rain, I thought and visualized RAIN and ONLY rain continuing into the higher altitudes. And to my delight, it DID happen! The rain never turned into snow, even in higher parts where it was predicted!

My long-time fascination for meteorology and certain weather phenomena has maybe helped in my attempts in attuning to and “swaying” the weather. I actually love snow (but I’ve never lived where it snows).

In that mountain town (6K altitude), the weather forecast for the following day was only rain… the snow was only expected only in mountains over 8K feet. I wanted to see snow, and I went to sleep thinking and feeling certain that it was going to snow the next day in the town.
Well, in the morning, around 9 AM, the rain amazingly turned to snow! I went, with my work laptop, to a cozy lounge in the hotel with big windows to gaze upon the hugest snowflakes I’d ever seen, falling heavily for hours throughout the ascending forest outside.

I’ve had many other similar experiences, such as going to towns where it hardly ever snows with a strong wish/intention to see snow, and catching very rare, unexpected snowfalls.

Also, for years, living in an area where it rains a fair amount, I’ve managed to never get rain during my late afternoon outdoor walks. I never carry an umbrella in my walks ‘cause that tells the Universe I’m expecting rain.

I don’t believe I can do what seems to me as meteorologically “impossible” or “highly unlikely”, such as making it snow on a sunny day with temperatures in the 50s. But I’ve had so many “uncanny” experiences with weather-influencing that it seems there’s something going on there.

When I was quite young, I once ‘made’ a hurricane come my way. I was obsessed with certain weather phenomena like hurricanes and severe thunderstorms, but hurricanes rarely came to where I lived.

Once there was one moving north parallel to the coast but far enough offshore to not affect my area (and no warnings were put up). It was expected to keep moving north (& away from land), but I was hell-bent on experiencing my first hurricane, and this one was perfect since it was ‘mild’ (winds barely over hurricane force) so I didn’t think it would be deadly. I kept seeing it veering my way as it moved north, and when it was at my latitude/level, offshore, it suddenly stopped, made a loop and started moving straight to where I lived. It hit my hometown with 75 MPH winds, no injuries or deaths, minimal damage… and it was sooo exciting to me! Anyway, remember that I was quite young back then… it’s not the kind of thing I would be inclined to attempt now.


I’ve had many other incidents, though. It might have something to do with vibrationally aligning with the weather in a way that can possibly influence it. I’m sure some of the old “Rainmakers” had good success, probably due to their strong belief.
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I might add here that I’ve seen my emotional state influence my attempts at weather-influencing in a similar way as when I’m intending/manifesting other things.. Too much emotional attachment or “insisting” on a certain weather- can backfire, even if the weather forecast allows for the possibility of your wish.
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So I’d say… why not experiment and play with it, without attachment to outcome, which is the best way to approach LOA and manifesting in general!

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Here’s a post from roxyruby which I copied from a past thread which is interesting, insightful and related to the topic:

“…weather is one of the most easiest things for me! I think its cause it was one of the first things I manifested...... just cause I never questioned it...I believed in god and thought praying through him, he can do anything, of course it will rain if I pray to him with a lot of emotion asking for rain.

Then later realized it was my belief attracting it
It's an area where I feel the least resistance, the least "Need" and "Want"… does that make sense? You have to soften out your emotions for the things you want, don't really need them, just enjoy the experience of visualizing it and enjoy it in your mind as if it is real, and just believe...”
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is just completely out of my hands... If I manifest my reality in totality do I manifest crop failure etc? Someone please answer this....
Everything is in your hands.. yes crop failure too.. I guess the question is why.. are you allowing this?? is farming your highest excitement?? is there another plant/product you prefer to grow?
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I wish the weather to be sunny.

And it is most of the time.

Oh wait, it's summer!

D'oh.
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Everything is in your hands.. yes crop failure too.. I guess the question is why.. are you allowing this?? is farming your highest excitement?? is there another plant/product you prefer to grow?
I am skeptical. How is it that I can manifest the weather for the entire Northeast? Are you saying that it is possible for me to manifest sunny and 85 degrees while the rest of the region is still cold and rainy?
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If you are doubtful, then of course it doesn't work for you.

So what you can try to do is to transform your intention into a form that is more palatable to your conscious mind.

Eg your weather concerns are linked to your concerns about your crops which are linked to your concerns about your livelihood which are linked to concerns about money.

You could go on, but ok, let's stop there - at money. Perhaps this is where the intention can be formulated in a way that sounds more possible to your conscious mind.

So work from here. Form an intention about having more money.
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If you are doubtful, then of course it doesn't work for you.

So what you can try to do is to transform your intention into a form that is more palatable to your conscious mind.

Eg your weather concerns are linked to your concerns about your crops which are linked to your concerns about your livelihood which are linked to concerns about money.

You could go on, but ok, let's stop there - at money. Perhaps this is where the intention can be formulated in a way that sounds more possible to your conscious mind.

So work from here. Form an intention about having more money.
I certainly understand all of that, but the original question is about the weather and such.. I am of the belief that nature is stronger than any one of us since we are but a small part of nature. I am skeptical because I highly doubt that any farmer wants a lot of rain or too little rain or too little sun (which is really mostly the case here) I highly doubt the people who live here want nothing but cool rainy weather with very little sun... Its supposed to be summer and it is not. No amount of intention can change the weather for it is a force that is stronger than any of us alone or together. I kind of know these things based on my connection with the weather. When the weather is extreme farmers suffer and so does humanity as a whole... Too much water chokes roots of air... plants need air like every living thing. when the air is removed the plant goes into survival mode and eventually if the situation is not righted it will die.. I think it is wishful thinking to think that if it does rain a lot especially with out subsequent sun to dry things out, given my soil type that I can intend on plants living without air.. It defies the laws of nature. I can do a lot of things to alleviate the sufferng of my plants, but at the end of the day if the rain is relentless and the sun non existant and the soil microorganisms die I cannot intend them to live.. again defying the laws of nature. Sure it can be said that because this is my belief that I help the situation along, but until you grow vegetables for a living and understand how soil and water etc behave and affect your income....I will say that the weather is out of our control, so in a lot of ways so is the success of our crops.. we have only so much we can do.. and most of us farmers will do all we can to make that happen.. but nature usually has its way....The bottom line is that you cannot bless food into existence..
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Well, I think you've already manifested your universe very well with absolute faith and conviction. Congratulations on a job well done.
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I am of the belief that nature is stronger than any one of us since we are but a small part of nature.
Of course it sounds wacky. It's about as absurd as the notion that you could just wave your hand and alter the path of a tornado.

Then again, many physicists believe that indeed, something as small as one flap of a butterfly wing could be all it takes to, say, change the path of a tornado, or delay it, or accelerate it, or prevent it completely.

This is known in physics as the butterfly effect. The founder of this theory is Edward Lorenz, an American mathematician and meteorologist.

If the scientists are right, then you have been altering the weather all the time, just by moving your body around. Who knows, with a bit of deliberate IM thrown, you might move your body in certain ways to create the weather you want, without even realising it.
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So is global warming the effect of millions of people's wishes for warm sunny weather, over many decades or centuries?
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My fiance and I have found that when we intend something together it seems to manifest nearly 100% of the time.

We too are presently spending the season in New England and our organic garden has been swamped with rain.

The answer is that we can indeed shift the weather, if only for a couple of hours, just enough to get some sun out on those pepper plants.

People's ability to manifest long-standing weather changes depends on more than just intention though, it is only likely to occur if it is in keeping with the energetic vibration of the planet and of the people.

If your intention manifests easily you can bet that it is in keeping with the universal flow. If, instead, it is a struggle, then it is not an energetic match with the universal energy flow. And you will need to try again at a more opportune time.

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Of course it sounds wacky. It's about as absurd as the notion that you could just wave your hand and alter the path of a tornado.

Then again, many physicists believe that indeed, something as small as one flap of a butterfly wing could be all it takes to, say, change the path of a tornado, or delay it, or accelerate it, or prevent it completely.

This is known in physics as the butterfly effect. The founder of this theory is Edward Lorenz, an American mathematician and meteorologist.

If the scientists are right, then you have been altering the weather all the time, just by moving your body around. Who knows, with a bit of deliberate IM thrown, you might move your body in certain ways to create the weather you want, without even realising it.
I dont know I have tried to yell at the weather many times and it has not worked yet but seriously There are so many factors at work here temperatures, amount of sun amount of moisture and not to even mention soil conditions.... I am pretty fascinated with this notion but I remain skeptical... I will read about the butterfly effect later when I have a bit more time... gotta go back outside now. G
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I am skeptical. How is it that I can manifest the weather for the entire Northeast? Are you saying that it is possible for me to manifest sunny and 85 degrees while the rest of the region is still cold and rainy?
Don’t know if you read my post (#4 above) where I recount some of my experiences and stories regarding influencing the weather, etc?

In that post I say this:

"I don’t believe I can do what seems to me as meteorologically “impossible” or “highly unlikely”, such as making it snow on a sunny day with temperatures in the 50s. But I’ve had so many “uncanny” experiences with weather-influencing that it seems there’s something going on there."

You see, until humanity evolves further, we generally have to work within the social/world’s “agreements”/"limits" of what’s possible and ‘normal’, especially when we’re dealing with a shared phenomena like the weather.

Of course, when we’re manifesting within our own lives we (sometimes) don’t need to be so bound by or concerned about these social agreements/beliefs (or what's been called “the consensual reality”).

Not that I think about these social ‘shared beliefs’ or limits, i.e., if I were to sway the weather. I try to never believe that anything is an impediment or limit.

But I do go by an intuitive sense of the possibilities within the probabilities… Like if I want rain and there’s a 30% chance of rain and I know that those rain cells will probably be scattered around my area, I might intend/visualize that one or more of those shower-cells will pass over where I want the rain.
Or if I want an upcoming season (that’s a crucial time for my crops) to have average or above-average rain, I might intend/visualize that.

ALG also had some good points about exploring deeper or more basic intentions.
I’ve always grown things (gardens/veggies/even a small farm once) and, no matter where I’ve lived, my crops have done very well. My intention has always been that whatever I grow will do well and the growing conditions will always be supportive (of course I also do what I can do that can help).

PS. Don’t yell at the weather, though, if you want good results with your weather-swaying intentions!
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I should say that my soil type does not do well in weather conditions that we have had. The entire Northeast has had a lot of water, little sun and cold temperatures. My soil does NOT drain all too well...so when I get these types of weather events I have problems with quality. I do what I can with what I have and do quite well and have had a lot of past success,however when mired in seriously extreme weather The soil does not yield all too well with everything... some things do well, and some things do not...I will say it again... You cannot bless food into existence.. it requires proper weather ,soil and site conditions.. after thinking about this for quite a while the past few days it realy all comes down to a whole lot of hard work and the weather conditions. I will remain skeptical that one human can change the weather around them. Anecdotal evidence is not good enough here. My point is basically that since May 23rd we have had 2 days above 80 degrees and about 9 days with sunshine for more than 70% of the day. No amount of manifestations will stop nature from taking its course when the soil conditions are right for rot and soil microbial death. The natural world does not work that way.. If it did there would be a lot more farmers among us because our job would be that much easier.
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You cannot bless food into existence.. it requires proper weather ,soil and site conditions..
That is your belief and limitation..

You may if you wish to change that belief work on manifesting better and more powerful things.. everything around is you.. even I am you; just talking back to yourself (a reflection)..

Perhaps you can explore these ideas..

Why can plants grow better listening to music?? (see mythbusters episode or some websites)
Why do plants react to negative and positive stimuli?? (again see mythbusters and some websites)

Why do you believe nature is outside of you.. instead of inside?

As is typical many people cannot make the step of taking responsibility for their reality.. they say that they did not manifest that rape.. that hitler and the jews did not manifest holocaust.. and they continue to play the game of victim/perpetrator rather than taking hold of their power which is all around them.. you obviously have spent many years or decades with your beliefs and have them very solidified.. if you can't attack them directly shall I suggest a strategy of circumventing or you can just leave it alone.. which sounds like you’re going that way anyway..
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So is global warming the effect of millions of people's wishes for warm sunny weather, over many decades or centuries?
Not really. Reality is more complex than that.

"Global warming" means a wide range of different things and experiences over time to different people (eg farmers; scientists; politicians; Eskimos; urban dwellers; sunblock manufacturers; vacationers at ski resorts; employees at oil refineries etc).

At the very micro level, "global warming" could translate into something as small as "Hmmm, this is a nice day to go swimming" for a particular individual.

What we can say is that each person attracts his own experiences with his own thoughts. That's pretty much it.
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That is your belief and limitation..

You may if you wish to change that belief work on manifesting better and more powerful things.. everything around is you.. even I am you; just talking back to yourself (a reflection)..

Perhaps you can explore these ideas..

Why can plants grow better listening to music?? (see mythbusters episode or some websites)
Why do plants react to negative and positive stimuli?? (again see mythbusters and some websites)

Why do you believe nature is outside of you.. instead of inside?

As is typical many people cannot make the step of taking responsibility for their reality.. they say that they did not manifest that rape.. that hitler and the jews did not manifest holocaust.. and they continue to play the game of victim/perpetrator rather than taking hold of their power which is all around them.. you obviously have spent many years or decades with your beliefs and have them very solidified.. if you can't attack them directly shall I suggest a strategy of circumventing or you can just leave it alone.. which sounds like you’re going that way anyway..
I speak from 15 years of experience working on and owning farms. I am pretty sure there is no substitute for experience. I have absolutely no control over the weather. None. I can do amazing things when the soil conditions and weather conditions are right.... after a while though nature has its way. Plants DO not survive when they are in standing water much the same way we do not survive when there is no air... THat is exactly what is happening when they are in standing water. I can give it all of the love I like....and hope for positive outcomes, but in the natural world there are some truths that are certain...plants die from lack of oxygen. I certainly know that I am responsible for many things that happen to me, however there are things that are out of our hands. These are biological truths.. if the soil nutrients are lacking I cannot intend the plants to do well... It is not going to happen. I can give the soil what it needs and it will be prepared for more of the extreme weather... however when there is extreme weather after extreme weather the soil becomes depleted...You cannot bless soil nutrients out of thin air.(except with leguminous plants) Last summer we had 30 inches of rain in about 5 weeks which pretty much depleted a lot of the soil.. bear in mind that when you lose a lot of topsoil as you would when getting that amount of rain that you have to rebuild your soil which takes a lot of effort. To put it into perspective... it takes somewhere around 100 years to make an inch of topsoil.....you cannot intend these things to happen. If I could I would do that.. I would love to farm right where I am with well drained soil...I cannot intend it to happen I have to make it happen physically...and it takes a damn long time...Yes I am stubbornly hanging on to this belief, because I know my soil, and I know how plants react to too much water or too much heat or too much fertilizer or too many pests....etc...

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So ... what is your intention here?

What are you wanting or looking for, when you come here and write all these posts?

Are you having an intellectual curiosity about whether your intentions can affect the weather?

Are you seeking confirmation/validation from others that your crops are doomed to failure?

Do you seek a practical solution to your farming challenges?

Or what?
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The subject matters not.. yes you have well ingrained beliefs.. but the point is there is no difference from changing weather to changing the channel on your television.. there is no difference of transmuting gold to getting to the moon.. the only limitation that exists is that which we adopt.. you my friend have some.. but then again so do I

I choose to say "anything is possible" you choose to say "it is not so" if you feel the truth in terms of positive emotion.. then you will know using the "Emotional Guidance System" that even what I say you know to be true.. does it not feel negative to say I cannot control the weather?

Does it not feel negative.. to sit there and hold a angry/stubborn stance and say.. why god why?? This world afflicts me thus? Why cannot I change ye/thee weather?

I mean honestly and I'm going to be honest here.. don't you think back in the 1700's and 1800's they were manifesting wind for sails?? they needed to get somewhere or not be perpetually stuck?? Yes we control the weather in a myriad of ways.. that's why some rain con men.. have actually created rain.. and that's why it's even possible for a rain dance to do it..

I see what you’re saying as..
- I see a world of a possibilities
- You see a world of natural laws.. THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN. (period)

Which is the more limiting statement?

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So ... what is your intention here?

What are you wanting or looking for, when you come here and write all these posts?

Are you having an intellectual curiosity about whether your intentions can affect the weather?

Are you seeking confirmation/validation from others that your crops are doomed to failure?

Do you seek a practical solution to your farming challenges?

Or what?
My crops are not all doomed to failure just a few of them...at which point I replant and the problem is solved....Certainly been a very frustrating period of time where I have not been able to do much work...although we have now seen a few days of sun in a row so the improvement starts.
I am intellectually interested in this...
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The subject matters not.. yes you have well ingrained beliefs.. but the point is there is no difference from changing weather to changing the channel on your television.. there is no difference of transmuting gold to getting to the moon.. the only limitation that exists is that which we adopt.. you my friend have some.. but then again so do I

I choose to say "anything is possible" you choose to say "it is not so" if you feel the truth in terms of positive emotion.. then you will know using the "Emotional Guidance System" that even what I say you know to be true.. does it not feel negative to say I cannot control the weather?

Does it not feel negative.. to sit there and hold a angry/stubborn stance and say.. why god why?? This world afflicts me thus? Why cannot I change ye/thee weather?

I mean honestly and I'm going to be honest here.. don't you think back in the 1700's and 1800's they were manifesting wind for sails?? they needed to get somewhere or not be perpetually stuck?? Yes we control the weather in a myriad of ways.. that's why some rain con men.. have actually created rain.. and that's why it's even possible for a rain dance to do it..

I see what you’re saying as..
- I see a world of a possibilities
- You see a world of natural laws.. THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN. (period)

Which is the more limiting statement?
I am not saying why god why.. I am accepting that the weather is out of my hands I believe that there are many things that are possible just that controling nature is not one of them. We have control over our destiny, but there are external forces at work as well. I understand completely what yolu are getting at here and I have done an awful lot of work with limiting beliefs so I do get it..I definitely understand how ingrained this all is....You believe what you want to believe and I believe what I want to believe and life goes on...
If I am understanding the law of attraction correctly basically you put in an order for the universe and the universe either gives you what you want or not...I certainly do not at the begining of the season say I want 45 days with little sun and heat and a pant load of rain....There are times when the universe does not give you what you want at a certain time because something better is down the line....

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[QUOTE=themaster;379592]That is your belief and limitation..


Why do you believe nature is outside of you.. instead of inside?

I believe we are a part of nature.
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So if you are part of nature, can't you affect it, even a little?

Its like saying that you are part of a larger town. So you're not the mayor, and you can't just snap your fingers and make a new fountain in the central strip center - but if you were so inclined, you could petition, lobby and call the mayor to put in the fountain. You, one human being, is affecting the entire town!
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So if you are part of nature, can't you affect it, even a little?

Its like saying that you are part of a larger town. So you're not the mayor, and you can't just snap your fingers and make a new fountain in the central strip center - but if you were so inclined, you could petition, lobby and call the mayor to put in the fountain. You, one human being, is affecting the entire town!
Yes you can effect nature. At the moment I am getting better at just making clouds disappear (cloudbusting), so I am concentrating on this to larger more dense clouds.

The only way all of this is possible is because nothing is separate in this accepted reality. We are all linked, as is all "things". We are all linked and the only "difference" is that everything "oscillates"/"vibrates" at different frequencies.

The best example of this is the "God Particle" (aka Higgs Boson). At the moment science cannot find what gives all things "mass", because at the smallest sub atomic level science can only find "energy". If the Higgs Boson is ever found, then science will have its answers .... at the moment they are still searching....
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ALG,

What would happen if two people from the same town, each with perfect control of their own minds, set intentions for opposing weather conditions? I understand how opposing intentions can work for "normal" people, because there is more room for flexibility in the outcome, but I cannot see how reality would shift to accomodate opposing intentions from two Buddha-like individuals.

Hmm. I guess my question assumes that there is an objective reality that would have to perfectly accommodate everybody's intentions. In a subjective reality model, this wouldn't necessarily be an issue. Still, I would like to hear your thoughts on this (as well as any others who would like to chime in).

This reminds me of a quote from Ed Seykota, an extremely successful commodities trader. Here are two quotes from him:

"I think that if people look deeply enough into their trading patterns, they find that, on balance, including all their goals, they are really getting what they want, even though they may not understand it or want to admit it."

"Win or lose, everybody gets what they want out of the market. Some people seem to like to lose, so they win by losing money."

In this case, the weather would be like the market - something seemingly out of our control. But according to Seykota and LOA practitioners, you always get what you're truly intending for, whether you like it or not.
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What would happen if two people from the same town, each with perfect control of their own minds, set intentions for opposing weather conditions? I understand how opposing intentions can work for "normal" people, because there is more room for flexibility in the outcome, but I cannot see how reality would shift to accomodate opposing intentions from two Buddha-like individuals.
This is where the whole multiple worlds comes into play.. almost every millisecond we are moving from universe to universe.. from parallel earth to parallel earth.. both parties would get there desired outcome.. but yes 1 would be the loser in another’s universe.. it is part of the agreements we made when we came here.. (not that they can't be broken or gotten around)

I think garentee has already stated he can't change his belief.. but you are welcome to change the subject matter and maybe he'll get it

Sometimes there is a different way to state the same truth
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This is where the whole multiple worlds comes into play.. almost every millisecond we are moving from universe to universe.. from parallel earth to parallel earth.. both parties would get there desired outcome.. but yes 1 would be the loser in another’s universe.. it is part of the agreements we made when we came here.. (not that they can't be broken or gotten around)

I think garentee has already stated he can't change his belief.. but you are welcome to change the subject matter and maybe he'll get it


Sometimes there is a different way to state the same truth
I am not going to change a belief just because your belief seems to make more sense to you. Thats giving away my own personal power. The power to believe as I see fit.
Actually the truth that I see is that you are coming from a place of scarcity. You do not have the weather you want so you have to change it. I accept that I cannot change the weather and I accept the weather for what it is. I do not have to like it. Moreover your belief that your can change the weather is self serving. It takes away from someone elses good weather so you can be "happy". Generally I like really rancid weather until it affects my livelyhood.. I often have said in the past couple of months that I like this weather as a non farmer, but as a farmer, I can do without it.

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Whether you are able to consciously change your thinking to the point that it alters the weather ... That is one thing.

Whether your thinking actually affects the weather, yup, that's another kind of issue.

And the reason for saying "yes it does" is about the same for saying that your thinking affects a little piece of rock in outer space. The explanation is available here.
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