How to prove multiple universes scientifically?

[themaster]

Okay.. since I'm waiting in anticipation on my shortcut thread.. (alright not really )

I wanted to see if we could collectively work out the rules to this experiment..

First off.. here is how I got this experiment.. I was listening to my teacher Bashar in both a sleeping and a wakeful state and so I cannot claim for exact circumstances that this is not a dream.. though it's my understanding my teacher communicates in dream state too.. (subconscious bla blah or something) If I was dreaming then I was dreaming of laying on my bed listening to audio.. and I never dream that

Anyway.. I SWEAR I heard hmm.. get a question and just as if realizing for himself throw out a answer on how to do a multiple reality test..

He said that you would need two subjects/people I believe, he said you would need 2 video cameras to act as recording devices (evidence), he said it would be best to use hypnosis and then it get's garbled cause he was talking about the ability to create a reality where you could put your hand through the wall..

So with all our minds.. I was wondering if we could figure out how to finish the experiment or maybe find the audio of what I'm talking about (cause I still haven't found it) ??????????

[Wax Frog]

How do we know the videotapes, and what they record, would be objective (half-kidding)?

[JRhodes]

I'd like to think I know a little bit about hypnosis but I don't think it could be used to physically prove the existence of another universe since it's a mental state.

[Asmoday]

I don't know if its proof per se, but...

I know that in an experiment, a group of physicists got a particle to co-locate. Meaning, the *same* particle was present in two places at the same time. They captured an image, and you could literally sit there and "see" "both" particles.

Allthough, I read about this a long time ago and can't remember all the details now. BUT, if you stop and think about it for a second, wouldn't multiple universes be required for this phenomenon to exist?

And, I can't remember how now, but the experimenters were frankly flipping out because they knew it was the same particle, the exact same particle.

So perhaps an experiment which prooves multiple universes would work something along those lines?

[themaster]

That is of my understanding we are the same particle.. Asmonday were moving so fast we can be everywhere at once

I don't know why I don't feel confident with this experiment.. I want to hear specifically all instructions so I know I don't mess it up.. if I was to make a attempt..

If I was understanding the jist.. you hypnotize one person to believe one thing and another to do another.. and you can then record how they split into two universes or so is what I thought I heard..

I'm not saying I was going to make a attempt.. I was just wondering if our brains could figure out the rest.. maybe I will remember it.. I just don't have confidence without those greatly dictated instructions

I have re-listened to a lot of my audios but still haven't found it

[iSteven]

When light strikes either the rods or the cones of the retina, it's converted into an electric signal that is relayed to the brain via the optic nerve. The brain then translates the electrical signals into the images we see.

Recent experiments suggest that the brain plays an even more significant role than first thought in deciding what we see.
( Live Science website )

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Through hypnosis you can convince any receptive subject of anything and they would experience it as real. Although, they can snap out of it if they feel threatened.

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So this is what I am thinking ...

Why are we talking about Multiple Universes as if they all existed as real things. What we are talking about, surely, is Multiple Illusions / Projections of the mind.

By hypnotising two people you can put them in any circumstance of your choosing using suggestion and they will experience it. Can you suggest they be in two places ( illusions ) at once? One illusion seperated from the other person, and the second illusion in conversation the other person?

But come to think of it, that is no different to dreaming, is it?
Where you could be having a conversation with somebody and experiencing it as real - but, alone in bed also.

Consider erotic dreams, where men / women climax in their sleep.
All triggered by the mind, and mind alone.
Surely this represents a case where a person is in two places at once.
Because although our body is here in the "illusion" of sleep ( and having a physical reaction to stimulation ), the actual stimulation is occurring in a completely different illusion.

Am I making any sense?

[iSteven]

So I am thinking about your first post, and the experiment ...

Are you saying you have a video camera set up either side of a wall both filming at the same time.

One hypnotist, suggesting to the subject that they are the other side of the wall, or that they can at least move their hand through the wall.
In the reality ( illusion ) of the hypnotist, he would be seeing the subject ( as expected ), but in the subjects reality ( illusion ) he would be in the other room, or part of him at least. And this would be filmed by the other video recorder.

It's a bit like the theory that the moon only exists when you expect to see it, and doesn't exist when you are not looking at it ( for you at least :-)

But surely then, the other video camera, would have to have an expectation for it to work.

Just rambling again. In the hope perhaps, that something of what I tap will switch on a light for somebody :-)

Time for a drink, me thinks. Do all my best thinking after a glass. Just enough to surrender the conscious mind a tad, and bring the sub-conscious
to the fore :-D

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by iSteven

Time for a drink, me thinks. Do all my best thinking after a glass. Just enough to surrender the conscious mind a tad, and bring the sub-conscious
to the fore :-D

So the 'i' stands for "inebriated"?

[iSteven]

Incoherent ( Drink or No Drink )

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by iSteven

Incoherent ( Drink or No Drink )

Inane, insane, inscrutable... I think I see a pattern developing

[viking4525]

Hey there wax my boy

Well there is nothing like a scientific experiment then trying one out for yourself . Ok there is an audio series which "guides" you through different "stages" of "quantum leaping" or "out of body experiences". All 6 courses gradually take you through to multiple universes, dimensions, also remote viewing etc. It was created by a guy called Robert Monroe and the series is called The Gateway Experience. I am slowly "upping" them onto hotfile's free website so anyone can download them. Currently I only have upped the first 2 courses of audio files, including their pdf ebooks . The other 4 will be up on Monday when I get back to work

Also a point to note I think it was course 3 that helps you get to "level 15" and thats where you can manifest your intentions ... the courses have a 1 month and a 1 year manifestation session

I never went all the way to the end ... I did notice something unusual did start to happen, HOWEVER I realised that I became certainly "fearful" of this process and became attached to my "known reality". As you know I am working on "law of detachment" and when I have nailed that I will try this course again and then go all the way through the 6 of them.

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Try them and see .. I strongly recommend reading the ebooks BEFORE listening to the audio

Hope they are of interest ... if nothing else they helped me relax

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by viking4525

Hey there wax my boy

Hot dang, I thought we'd lost you for good, you wacky rutabaga! WB

I've heard of this Monroe fellow and his work many a time... Indeed, how could I not, running with these online 'fringe' forums?

BTW, I have no interest in OOBEing (on a Sunday afternoon ) at this point, just IM/LoA...

[joelr]

Originally Posted by iSteven

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Why are we talking about Multiple Universes as if they all existed as real things. What we are talking about, surely, is Multiple Illusions / Projections of the mind.

Because in Cosmology and Physics there is an actual theory (several different models) that physical multiple universes exist.
There is a test that can be done with quantum computers and qbits that will be done in the near future that may be able to prove or lend credibility to the theory.
As with most other discoveries we have to think about it even though it is not yet proven. The only way to prove it is of course to think about it

[iSteven]

This is all starting to drive me nuts, and seem rather contradictory.
Can somebody draw me a diagram.
A picture paints a thousand words, after all.

The Field / Universe / Source
Illusions / Projections of the mind ( Thought )

With so many people giving advice, surely most must have a big picture.
To give advice without the complete picture would be dangerous otherwise, and perhaps misleading.

Is life a belief driven projection of the mind ... yes or no?

I mean ... light filters into the eye, and the brain decodes it and determines what we see before us. It's just a field of light energy ... in reality.
We make of it what we choose. We shape it. And then experience it.
What we choose snaps into place.

Ultimately, it is just ONE Field, that is ALL things to ALL people.
We seem to be moving down a seperation path again, with Universes, as we have with people. What is it with our need to seperate?
Or are we using the word Universe, when perhaps we should use a different one.

I mean ... tv and radio channels all exist in the same field. That makes sense. And we watch what we choose to tune into.
Using the term Multiple Universes leads me to think of Multiple Fields, rather than multiple manifestations within the one field.

Feel free to correct my thinking, as I really want to get to the bottom of this, but please DO link to the evidence :-)



This is doin' my head in. Hopefully, it means I am close to a breakthrough and not a breakdown.

:-)