manifesting 20/20 vision (or better) FAST?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by bmlyeryk

tell you what....to me doctors are **** and will always be **** who only want to empty your wallets.

Since you believe it, no doubt that will be true in your reality.

apparently you must believe my intention is impossible, b/c the master doctors SAY SO?

I didn't read any post in this thread about any master doctors saying anything about your intention.

But since you believe that they are saying so, therefore it must be so in your reality.

i am starting to "switch my thinking" and i would much rather have the wait for something my body is CAPAPLE OF, then throw away 2000$ to burn my eye and possibly ruin it to make some greedy bastard richer.......NEVER

Since you believe that $2,000 is more important to you than perfect eyesight, then no doubt it must be so in your reality.

LOA sure is getting abused badly with all these money-addicts. WHO CARES. money does NOT make someone attractive anyway what loser would fall for that???

Yup. And wearing or not wearing glasses doesn't necessarily make anyone more attractive anyway. But I wonder if there is any loser here who would fall for that line of thinking.

im 17 but im not DUMB! my intentions are much better thought out than few years ago, and i think potential consequences through, which in this case there are NONE.

I wasn't referring to potential consequences.

Clue: What are the reasons you want perfect eyesight?

ive had ENOUGH of this "you're doomed, just accept it and go to the doctor instead b/c you have no hope and your body is a useless vegetable anyway".

I don't recall anyone calling your body a useless vegetable.

Do be careful about the words you use to describe your own body, though. According to the LOA, there could be consequences for that.

im a nonconformist, totally against so-called "authority" and docs.

You're not a nonconformist. You're a very typical teenager. At that age, so many of them like to be nonconformist that none of them really are.

Eg the homework thing. That's so .... teenager conformist.

If you were a nonconformist, you might say something different like: "Wow, I got a really interesting piece of homework. I love it! It is really stimulating my thoughts in new directions, maybe far more than even my teacher had intended or had imagined!"

THAT would be nonconformist.

[nocturne]

it disturbs me you are rejecting a perfectly valid way of manifesting a solution; lasik or some other procedure. it is not everyone's birthright to perfect eyesight, or being tall, etc. Bill Gates has neither and it totally didn't matter to his success!

surgery is NOT a quick fix, humanity has spent thousands of years advancing and perfecting our technology to even be able to do this! the technology doesn't "burn" your eye. I mean it uses lasers to reshape your natural lens if I am correct. Burning something is when you melt it to a crud. Huge difference.

calm down and reconsider if you want to reject a very good, viable option, which has worked for A LOT of people, including my grandfather. (he got lasik) If so many people are happy with the results, then why are you rejecting it?

because its unnatural? the computer you are using is unnatural, its made out of plastic and silicone.

[ruchirkc]

Just a bit on the lasik thing: lasik surgery can have negative effects, not in all cases but its still a possibility. Getting normal eyesight using natural means such as the Bates Method surely takes more time, but it has no negative side-effects...

I have worn glasses since 2nd grade and I personally am not going to get surgery, unless they start boasting a 100% success rate w/ no negative effects. We're talking about eyes here, ya know?

I suggest you check out the Bates Method and the website Improve Vision Naturally: Improve Your Vision with Daily Eye Exercises.

[bmlyeryk]

ALG stop your BS already, i am not going to take any your advice!


its my life and my body, I CHOOSE what to do with it. and that means NO SURGERY PERIOD. do you even think id have 2000$ anyway?!


i did get some good advice like 'detaching' and being grateful etc. and i also am getting beat down by most of you and getting discouraged. you may not think so but thats what im feeling and was not expecting your negativity. how can YOU know whats best for me, when you have never experienced being my my shoes or what goes on in my mind. you are not going to fully understand how i think or what motifs i have and i will not waste my energy to explain them. im a stranger to you for crying out loud, only i can know whats truly best for me, as ive spent a very long time getting to know myself!

i am not the type of person whose going to take a risk on my own eyes like that! THERE IS SUCH A THING AS RUINING THE EYES WITH SURGERY, just like every other operation has risks! surgeons are not perfect people and they can still make mistakes b/c they are FALLIBLE humans too! not gods!!!

i dont care of youre going to say once again "you think this therefore attract this" ID RATHER STAY AWAY FROM SURGERY and thats my final decision! is that too unbearably problematic??

NOT GOING TO WEAR GLASSES im tired of them once and for all. I DESERVE WHAT I "ASK FOR" to the universe and myself! i have use LOA twice before and it worked bothb times, getting me EXACTLY what i wanted (they were small material things). feed your "morals" and own self pity to yourself, b/c you may have the same problem and want to suck me down at the same level?

im not getting much help here, im being more nagged to death and ripped apart for my different motifs.
**** what anyone thinks, they may think glasses are ultra beautiful and i DO NOT THEREFORE WILL NOT KEEP THEM CLEAR????


no one is going to control me and make decisions for me. by your horrible suggestions of potentially damaging my eyes, you make it seem as if i am stupid and idiotic, as if i have no clue about anything and therefore cannot make my own choice and how to fix my problem!

either i get real advice, or dont answer any of my questions and keep your "settle for second best" BS to yourself


LAW of attraction = NO EXCEPTIONS to a Law

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by ruchirkc

I suggest you check out the Bates Method and the website Improve Vision Naturally: Improve Your Vision with Daily Eye Exercises.

ruchirkc, I am interested in this method as well. Do you have actual experience with it? Did it work for you?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by bmlyeryk

[SIZE="4"]ALG stop your BS already, i am not going to take any your advice!

its my life and my body, I CHOOSE what to do with it. and that means NO SURGERY PERIOD. do you even think id have 2000$ anyway?!

If you think I am advocating surgery for you, then you are mistaken.

Actually I am not very interested in the specific subject-matter of your intention at all. This is the IM forum. I am generally more interested in how people go about trying to apply the LOA to their intentions, rather than the specific subject matter of their intentions.

And what I see is that you make many quite basic errors in the way you seek to apply the LOA to your intention. If you bother to really read and understand what the various forummers here have been trying to tell you, then you would understand what I'm saying.

As your thoughts currently are, I assess your chances of obtaining good eyesight (by whatever means) as approximately zero.

The good thing, of course, is that you, like everyone else, have the ability to change your thoughts. Whether or not you figure out the way - that is another question.

[Zas]

Man, I've manifested some humorous conversation around lately.

But, I'm curious if anyone here has stories about that Bates Method too! (Though I guess I'll go ahead and jump into it and see what happens anyway. )

bmlyeryk, you might wanna just try both your ideas and see what happens? Also, I googled manifesting perfect eyesight and got a fair amount of interesting links with useful ideas. You might want to check out some variations of that (perfect vision naturally also brought up some fun stuff too!)

I agree that it's far better to primarily trust what comes inside rather than what you find outside of yourself (Whether it's what the doctors say or the comments of people here.)

Of course, I said "primarily" rather than "solely." The people in your experience are reflecting what your inner space also. I've found it really useful to actively bring encouraging and inspiring things into your life. If you search up people who have had success with it, it can really help you keep up the good vibrations and tap into that yourself.

Anyway, best of luck with your manifestation! I'm thinking positive thoughts for you and your path of growth. I'd be interested in knowing how it all works out!

[Matiasfx]

ALG its imo one of the most knowledgeable persons on this matter in this forum and you are insulting him when he is trying to help you.

I know u are a teenager and thats quite normal, to rebel and stuff, but just stop for a second, breath deeply and read you last few posts. The vibe in them its horrible and let me tell you that from that place you will only get more negativity, if u remain in that negative place, when somebody its tryng to help, you will take it the wrong way.

[Lil Chris]

First, ease up on the attitude a bit. (this is coming from me as a moderator), insulting people is not tolerated at this site.

Now, on to my personal opinions,

Originally Posted by bmlyeryk

im not getting much help here

You are getting offered assistance, you are just not listening. Hop off your high hoarse for a minute. It's one thing to read the words, it's another to interpret them properly...

I agree with Matiasfx,
Your vibe is horrible and your vibe is what will be helping you to get your desired outcome. Understand this, it's not an attack on you personally. It is the assistance your asking for...

[bmlyeryk]

i HAVE changed my thoughts about myself and my intention, at least made some progress, it was reading your posts that annoyed me giving me the impression that it should not work

ive already manifested 2 things before through almost no effort (i even almost forgot about them) so there is no reason i cant manifest something like this.

i dont understand why almost nobody has tried to manifest things that are NOT related to wealth or soulmates or material things. surely theres ALOT MORE to it than getting what you want through technology and objects! i do not intend to manifest any of my desires through material means, unless they actually are materials themselves, which are the last intentions on my list anyway. its time i put importance on myself, which i did not for too long



......thanks Zas

[What3ver]

Originally Posted by nocturne

i'm not sure what bad long term effects you are talking about. could you link to a study?
besides, I've worn glasses for a long time and it hasn't made my eyes any worse than they were when I began. What are you basing this on? link?

Maybe before you start quoting people, you actually read their posts. I wasn't the one who said surgery is bad.

Originally Posted by nocturne

why is it stupid to suggest surgery? why dont' you want surgery, and instead, you want it naturally? what difference does it make?

Maybe I don't want to go through a surgery that has no 100% success rate? Maybe I'm not able to manifest the money for this? Maybe it's something I simply DO NOT WANT TO DO either because of the beliefs it's bad or all the hassle? Or maybe because it is only natural to want to have perfect eye sight naturally? It's a birthright, like bmlyeryk said.

I personally hate glasses. They're annoying and get in the way, they get wet in the rain and in a downpour it's hard to see anything, plus they get all foggy coming inside when it's cold outside. They get dirty. Not being able to see my new haircut until it's done at the hairdresser. Bla bla bla. I could give a million reasons. Plus most people will always label you some sort of a geek/loser automatically.

If you like glasses, fine, just don't think everyone prefers glasses/surgery to perfect eyesight.



EDIT: Saying that having perfect vision is not a birthright is kinda ignorant. It's not like I was born blind or something(not saying that it's not a blind person's birthright). It's the negative thoughts that cause illness in the body, it must be somekind of a resistance I have not yet figured out. I'm not sure I will, but I DO know that I DESERVE perfect eyesight just like everybody else does. Are you saying that those who have managed to manifest perfect eyesight(without surgery, not counting glasses/contact lenses) like the lady who did it with silva method(2 weeks is not short for me, I think it's wonderful), didn't have it as their birthright, but then suddenly did cause they managed to do it? There are no limits. And maybe the limits that seem to be there, are there only so we could overcome them?

And saying that bmlyeryk's chance of success is 0 is ignorant as well. You do not know how he's vibrating. For all you know he could wake up one day soon and be able to see perfectly. He's just tired that people are suggesting something he does NOT want to do. We all know you get nowhere doing the things you do NOT want to do.

If lasik surgery was so good and safe, no doctors themselves would wear glasses.

[ruchirkc]

Originally Posted by Arboretor

ruchirkc, I am interested in this method as well. Do you have actual experience with it? Did it work for you?

Not yet, but I'm going to follow the Bates Method and some other stuff I've read as an experiment later this year. I'll be posting on this forum

[nocturne]

- going to the mall, unfortunately, doesn't have a 100% success rate either. you could get hit by lightning. A 99.99% success rate isn't a good reason to reject something
- manifesting 2 grand is very possible.

my point is, don't reject a reasonable option. forget if it is a birthright or not. You are perceiving 2 grand to be a lot, which in the grand scheme of things, it isn't. You're also perceiving a less than 100% success rate as bad, but in reality it isn't.

again its just a suggestion to get lasik, no one is making you do it.

Look for whatever solution you think is the best, and has the highest probability of working.

you can look for alternative methods all you like. good luck with that.

[What3ver]

Thought this was a manifestation forum not lasik advertising...

It's like telling a person who's sick with cancer, they shouldn't hope for recovery cause it's not their birthright.

[Acting Like Godot]

In line with some of my other recent posts elsewhere in this forum, I invite people not merely to think about:

(a) what they want; or
(b) whether they can get it,

but also the more interesting question of why they want it.

This is an important question because when you start exploring it, you may realise that what you really want is actually something else; or you may realise that there are actually quite simple ways to get what you want; or you may realise that you no longer want what you wanted.

For example, a person may think that he wants money, when actually what he really wants is the respect that he believes will come from money. After that, he may realise that he can get respect from other ways that are easier for him than money.

Or a person may think that he wants big impressive muscles, when actually what he really wants is a girlfriend, and he has been thinking that the way to get a girlfriend is to have big impressive muscles. Upon realising this, he may realise that there could be simpler, quicker ways for him to have a girlfriend, than by training for big impressive muscles.

Or a person may think that he wants to be a doctor, when actually what he really wants is to help people who are suffering. Upon realising this, he may realise that there is no need to feel so disappointed about not getting into medical school ... after all, he can work as a disaster relief coordinator and help people who are suffering as a result of natural catastrophes.

And so it is, for eyesight.

A person might want perfect eyesight for all sorts of different reasons. Some examples that What3ver has given:

I personally hate glasses. They're annoying and get in the way,

Oh contact lenses could be a good solution then.

they get wet in the rain

Oh, umbrellas could be a good solution then.

plus they get all foggy coming inside when it's cold outside.

Oh, anti-fog lenses could be a good solution then.

They get dirty.

Oh, soap and water could be a good solution then.

Not being able to see my new haircut until it's done at the hairdresser.

Oh, contact lenses could be a good solution then.

Plus most people will always label you some sort of a geek/loser automatically.

Oh, being a winner could be a good solution then.

Also, being a macho guy could be a good solution.

Also, not caring what people think about you could also be a good solution.

**************

Or alternatively, in all scenarios mentioned above, you could manifest perfect eyesight for yourself in two days. Which might or might not be a workable possible solution for you.

And if it were possible for you, because you're already such a marvellous guru with highly advanced LOA powers, well, really, are there any more worthwhile intentions that you might want to work on?

Such as, say, doing a good deed and healing the completely blind, perhaps not in two days, but say, in three weeks?

[What3ver]

I'm not fond of contact lenses either.
Macho guy? I'm a girl.

Nocturne, sure I could get hit by lightning on my way to the mall. I'm not obsessed with staying alive but I'd rather not get blind while I am.

EDIT: ALG, I know what I want. And it's not glasses/contacts/lasik surgery nor world peace.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by What3ver

ALG, I know what I want.

That's good for you.

Because usually, people do not REALLY know what they want, at a deeper level. Desires are quite complicated creatures. For example:

1. A person may think she wants perfect eyesight, but the deeper reason she wants good eyesight may be that she just doesn't want to wear glasses.

2. And the deeper reason why she just doesn't want to wear glasses may be that she thinks her friends would think she looks geeky.

3. And the deeper reason why she is concerned about her friends thinking that she looks geeky may be that she desires to be accepted by her friends.

4. And the deeper reason why she may desire to be accepted by her friends may be that she's lonely.

5. And the deeper reason why she may be lonely is that she doesn't really like herself, and needs a distraction from herself, and therefore cannot bear to be alone.

And we could go deeper and deeper and deeper, but for practical purposes, we need to draw a line somewhere and just form the specific intention that we wish to manifest.

But the deeper the level at which you draw the line, the more the intention will truly address the issue.

Thus in the above example, if the person successfully addresses the issue at Level 5 (by whatever means), the issues from Level 5 to Level 1 are all addressed.

For example, she grows to like herself very much, therefore she doesn't mind being alone, therefore she doesn't feel lonely, therefore she doesn't feel desperately in need of being accepted by her friends, therefore she doesn't particularly care if they think she's geeky or pretty or whatever; therefore she wouldn't mind wearing glasses, therefore perfect unaided vision no longer matters for her.

In contrast, if she addresses the issue only at Level 1, she then no longer needs to wear glasses, but she will continue to live in fear of her friends thinking that she is geeky eg because of her shoes, or hair, or blouse, or mannerisms, or hobbies, or whatever. And after she fixes her vision, she'll need to fix her shoes, her hair, her blouse, her mannerisms, her behaviour etc etc etc etc.

[Acting Like Godot]

I must admit that I gained some personal insights while writing that earlier post of mine. Ahh, no wonder I like posting in this forum.

[What3ver]

Good point.
What you wrote does apply to me. I've never looked at it that way.

[Zas]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I must admit that I gained some personal insights while writing that earlier post of mine. Ahh, no wonder I like posting in this forum.

That helped me too, not really even in relation to eyes, heh. Thank you for posting here.

[ruchirkc]

Originally Posted by nocturne

- going to the mall, unfortunately, doesn't have a 100% success rate either. you could get hit by lightning. A 99.99% success rate isn't a good reason to reject something
- manifesting 2 grand is very possible.

my point is, don't reject a reasonable option. forget if it is a birthright or not. You are perceiving 2 grand to be a lot, which in the grand scheme of things, it isn't. You're also perceiving a less than 100% success rate as bad, but in reality it isn't.

again its just a suggestion to get lasik, no one is making you do it.

Look for whatever solution you think is the best, and has the highest probability of working.

you can look for alternative methods all you like. good luck with that.

Going to the mall and surgery isn't exactly the same thing. Even if Lasik is "successful", you still might have dry eyes for the rest of your life and there's no guarantee your eyesight won't deteriorate again. Maybe you're different, but I'd rather get hit by lightning, than be blind for the rest of my life.

I don't see the point in getting lasik if other, much safer and better, alternatives exist.

[Matiasfx]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

That's good for you.

Because usually, people do not REALLY know what they want, at a deeper level. Desires are quite complicated creatures. For example:.......

Great post ALG, great post.....

Really insightful and its triggering some things i have to think.

As always, Thank you very much.

Mat

[bmlyeryk]

i realize those deeper level beliefs exist, but i KNOW that just manifesting good eyesight alone will make me feel many many times better. isnt it a lot better to give your eyes the FREEDOM they deserve

its better if you overall let me do it the way i want to. i choose to fix my eyes and not the underlying beliefs. just getting my eyeight back would be GOLD, and maybe fix those beliefs that stemmed from bad vision (being a 'geek' etc and all that manitenance)

lost my only few friends years ago so loneliness isnt new and im not concerned with that anymore. she must hav left me b/c i wasnt 'pretty' or normal looking enough, or cool enough. that was grade 4. her other friends met her standards so she kept them


thank you Whst3ever-----no person can GIVE me good eyesight (only help get it, or make it easier). i deserve it and nothing is going to stop me from doing it, the natural way

btw im a girl too

[Angela]

Vision is a pretty worthless ability if you will not see.

[bmlyeryk]

what are you talking about????

are you that angry and spiteful, wanting me to fail, b/c you have some issues you wish you could get rid of??!


YOUR NEGATIVE WORDS DONT WORK ON ME ANYMORE

[Lil Chris]

She's not being negative... You can look at something and still not see that thing. You can read the words, but not fully grasp the meaning of them.

I once was blind but now I see... Is not referring to seeing with your eyes. I think that is what Angela is referring to.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by bmlyeryk

what are you talking about????

are you that angry and spiteful, wanting me to fail, b/c you have some issues you wish you could get rid of??!


YOUR NEGATIVE WORDS DONT WORK ON ME ANYMORE

I'm talking about: you already have the ability to see. Perfect vision is Who You Are, and you are perfectly able to clearly see as much as you are willing to.

What you are willing to see at the moment is anger, spite, images of people wanting you to fail and having issues that they wish they could get rid of -- you are seeing negative words, because you are willing to see negative words.

And if you were willing to see generosity, caring, patience, encouragement, images of people who are pulling for you to get what you want, and seeing valuable things for themselves, then that's what you would see.

You are looking into a mirror. If you are willing to see something other than what you're seeing, you might want to try doing something other than what you've been doing. You don't have to, of course. You get to choose.

[WordKeeper]

bmlyeryl - Here are some suggestions for you and where they come from.

Are you familiar with Adam the Dreamhealer? Dreamhealer
I love to read about him. My take on him is that when we are "healed" we have a certain energy vibration. Adam, for some reason, is able to manipulate that energy vibration (aura) of others and then it is their job to hold or maintain that energy vibration which is done primarily through visualization.

I combine my understanding of Adam's work with a 20th century woman named Agnes Sanford who practised "Christian" healing. She wrote of instantaneously healing a man whose artery was severed and gushing in a train wreck. BUT she also writes about developing that ability. The process can be slow.

I believe in the process and I work on it often. I don't always receive the results that I want but I choose not to give up. For instance, last Saturday I discovered a sore spot in the middle of the palm side of my little finger. Throughout the day it grew larger and boil like. I assume some sort of splinter was in there. I began working on concentrating healing energy towards that relatively small spot. Sunday - it was still there. I kept focusing healing energy. Monday - it was still there. I continued. Monday night - it was gone - not popped - gone.

I fell several weeks ago and hurt my wrist. I thought it was sprained but after it began healing and the swelling went down I noticed that the bone is not in the same place. I suspect it broke and needed setting. I am working on healing that bone. If I were advanced I could have done it the moment it happened. But I am not yet - however, I will NOT give up. Each day, everyday I continue my visualization of a healed arm. I know it is possible. I believe I can and will do it.

All of that is to say that I believe you can manifest 20/20 eyesight quickly - I believe that is possible. But if you don't then don't give up. Begin and don't give up. Healing yourself is more difficult than healing others because of the emotional issues attached to it.

As to your question about (my version) losing your positive energy or thoughts about perfect vision - don't worry about that just restore your belief. If you lapse then restore.

You asked another question but I have to look back and see if I can offer any suggestions.

[WordKeeper]

AND should i believe my eyes ALREADY SEE CLEAR or ARE IMPROVING IN THE NOW AND GETTING BETTER EACH DAY? i cannot decide which to believe!

IMPORTANT ..... once i manifest clear vision, if i were to hypothectically "accidentally" believe bad vision as a trait i used to have or that "was true", would that old belief quickly remanifest, or would it stay gone?

OK - believe your eyes are already 20/20. The language that works for me is that I understand that they are perfect in the spiritual realm and my job is to align my thoughts with that higher consciousness and in doing so my eyes will be perfected in this realm as well.

Your thoughts may revert but then you can simply correct them.

Hope that helps. I wish you great success in restoring your vision to their perfect 20/20.

[bmlyeryk]

sorry about that......i didnt interpret your message right




thank you for answering my Q Wordkeeper----that means blurry vision will not come back the moment an old belief comes up?


what inspired me a lot was Rhonda Byrne's story of her eyesight. she said she didnt 'notice' the time it took, but believed and realized the moment she Asked, she knew it was 'done' already


i want to trigger excitement but i seem unable to. if i visualize my eyes seeing clear, is that somehow still 'noticing' my eyes are not clear yet? how do you believe its already done yet visualize seeing clear at the same time?