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07-24-2009, 08:34 PM
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I also call it "old pain" because this is not the first time it has happened, is it? This feeling that spiritual debates are not the shizz -- that feeling that comes when someone is bold (or you might call it obnoxious!  ) about expressing a belief that conflicts with yours. When that happens, you have a golden opportunity for creating a huge breakthrough in power and effectiveness, right here, right now, no waiting or delay necessary! One nice thing to know is that nothing anyone ever says, ever, means anything at all about who you are, and it definitely doesn't mean you have to feel not nice in conversation, unless you choose to. It's a helpful thing to remember, don't you think? Last edited by Angela; 07-24-2009 at 08:40 PM. | |
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07-24-2009, 08:50 PM
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do not worry I did sleep! ha...guilty at times but just mindful of it thats all... | |
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07-24-2009, 09:20 PM
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I would agree that there was nothing to debate; from my perspective, what there was to do was pointing out that there's no need to wait or to start small -- one can start now, and start big! You don't have to, as I took some pains to say a few times; starting small and starting slow is a perfectly valid choice. It's just when someone presents their point of view as the ONLY choice, e.g. "you have to observe the process in all its glory" -- "to create miracles you have to KNOW" ... well, it's just my fun pet project to expose false dichotomies when they show up -- to present you with more CHOICE, more power, velocity, and effectiveness in getting the miraculous results you want. But I don't think your spiritual beliefs are wrong or that you shouldn't believe as you do. Again, as I have mentioned approximately one bazillion (I love that word!  ) times, I consider your approach perfectly valid. One thing: you mentioned earlier in the thread about how you'd like to KNOW and not have one conflicting emotion or thought. Wouldn't it be nice if you had access to being completely in control of that -- access to instantly taking care of any inner conflicts of emotion or thought that come up, like what happened for you here, so that you are totally powerful in conversation, and can always choose to create a state for yourself that feels nice, regardless of what others say or do -- even people you find yourself in spiritual debate with, or people you find "negative"? That would really be something, wouldn't it. Last edited by Angela; 07-24-2009 at 09:41 PM. | |
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07-24-2009, 09:27 PM
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p.s... boy, I could tell you loads of stories about seemingly miraculous results I've gotten, and I didn't get them while totally believing or by getting rid of conflicting emotions and thoughts, that's for sure! Plenty of my favorite results have been accompanied by doubt or inner conflict.  |
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07-24-2009, 09:45 PM
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it dosnt matter angela....truly, in the grand scheme of things....if you are manifesting miracles with doubt, great.....write a book, it would be a best seller... Im not being smart, but I so dont want to travel this road..... |
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07-24-2009, 10:12 PM
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But you can count on me to keep on exposing false dichotomies (the "you-have-to's") and presenting more choice going forward, so if that's uncomfortable for you for any reason, you can just refrain from responding to my FDE's and our conversation will just end right there. And if you engage with me, I'll engage with you -- I LOVE engaging with you! Last edited by Angela; 07-24-2009 at 10:15 PM. | ||
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07-24-2009, 10:53 PM
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you cannot beat nature, and you cannot beat the universe at its game....that is your ego....but hey, thats my perception...I feel like this as your posts to me a loaded with re-buttle, sarcasim...and this need to help me and teach me lessons, when I did not ask for it.... when I speak of these have too,s...you are twisting my words, and making them become concepts, faith is not a THOUGHT, it is not a I HAVE TO...I agree, its is a BAZILLION times more than that...it is a calm accepting knowing in you, something you develop within..it is a frequency....a vibe, a feeling, an inner knowing....a cord that connects you to more than your thought will ever let you....it is in your soul not your head.......you do not think faith, you radiate it....you know that what you ask for you get....there is infinite choice in that one statement...and it need not be any more difficult.... Faith/belief is the frequency that creates....and there is no other way to say this, you are barking up the wrong tree if you think you can beat it... Last edited by magic1; 07-24-2009 at 11:04 PM. | |
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07-25-2009, 01:07 AM
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So you DO want to travel this road, after all! Can you see how powerful you are at creating? Quote:
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It looks like you have kind of a "my-way-or-the-highway" approach (Like: there's only one way to be successful, and it's to have total faith.) I say that because it seems to upset you to be disagreed with (rebutted!) about that. Problems come in for you (I mean a person) who is operating in MWOTHW, because it can have you (one) feeling bad (not nice) when people (like me, or your mom, or the average joe who thinks what you're saying is pooh-pooh) disagree or rebutt, because let's face it, no matter what you believe, someone's going to disagree or rebutt. And as you know, feeling bad can really muck up your ability to deliberately manifest! A feeling-bad person tends to frequently manifest exactly what she'd most prefer to avoid. So I still see this conversation as a golden opportunity for a person such as yourself, because being presented with disagreement, rebuttal, and the exposure of what is seen as false choice can help that person hone her own beliefs, and become even more sure of her own righteousness! Or to fine-tune her approach so that she becomes better at getting the results she wants AND feeling good as a matter of choice, even if someone disagrees with or doesn't support her ideas. Or it can help her get to that calm accepting knowing place! It's kind of a can't-lose situation. Wouldn't it be nice to never get upset because of what another person says? Last edited by Angela; 07-25-2009 at 01:20 AM. | |||||||
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07-25-2009, 01:18 AM
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Wait -- I just realized -- the game you were saying the universe is playing is: The Universe makes the rule that if the Player wants to deliberately create reality efficiently and effectively, the Player must KNOW (e.g., must have no doubt, must have that calm accepting know, the frequency, the vibe, the connection in your soul) first. Like, you can't buy Park Place if you don't have the thousand dollars -- it's just the rule. Have I got that right? Is that the game you were talking about? |
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07-25-2009, 01:54 AM
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really tired of you highlighting my golden opportunities...you have not met me, and have not one clue about who I am and what I have experianced...more over..I did not ask for your views on what YOU think my lessons may be....thats just rude presumptious and arrogant... your posts give off massive amounts of ego... they are highly cryptic, are set to trap.... lack true depth, and emotion and I would not trust them if my life depend on it... I do not care how this posts sounds, I am in flow with what I feel in this very moment...and couldnt care less.... Im sure your lovely though.....Just too big for your boots... |
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07-25-2009, 02:08 AM
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ok lets do this, this is somewhat humerous now isnt it...., maybe we both needed a little vent....Im am in my jammies and too much time on my hands today.... it is ego and I can fully admit it, because I sit here knowing it.... anyhow, I beleive faith creates, this is ok...you believe there may be another way, so maybe we are both correct... I would be very interested if you find what they way is and share it... and I do mean that, you are probaly a lovely person, I like anyone who likes this stuff...we are all seekers |
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07-25-2009, 02:18 AM
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Jammies make everything better, don't they? I'm in mine now, too. I'm sorry I upset you; I didn't mean too. I would prefer it if you felt really good, and I hope you let me know if there's something I can say to promote that. I didn't mean to be presumptuous and tell you what your lessons are -- just that one thing I've noticed that is a great pathway to feeling great is noticing when our buttons get pushed -- not you, personally, but people, in general. That's what I'm talking about when I mention golden opportunities. They tend to be little doorways to seeing something that was previously hidden. Anyway, I'm sorry, and I hope we can speak on good terms, even if we disagree. Angela |
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07-25-2009, 02:37 AM
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thats so nice you say that, because I went outside and thought about it...I hate being like that, but I have a very strong personality, and I was mean, and terrible! I also went back and read our posts..I can see where the wheels came off....I guess I am slightly different angela, I receive spiritual keys, and have done for some time. Many box this into YOU ARE CREATING IT, but it takes so much for me to trust what they say to me, and beleive it is from the universe and not just my focus, pple cannot know in what they have not experianced and have offered explanations for it, purely from there own perspective and belief system.........but the stuff I get, many times it is outside my current understanding and consiousness, ......so for example being lead to specific bible quotes, and concepts... they are asking me to trust on a level that surpasses everything...So from this perspective I am faith oriented... You write lovely posts! I mean that, and have insightful things to say to others, anyhow, I hope you accept my apologies too!!!!!! I could cry at being like how I was...Id give you a hug if you were here! Last edited by magic1; 07-25-2009 at 02:40 AM. |
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07-25-2009, 02:36 PM
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I have mixed feelings about the whole "belief" thing. For me, belief doesn't seem on the surface to have much to do with it. However, the belief theory isn't uncommon amongst LOA teachers, such as Wayne Dyer, for instance. The idea that we have to believe, or know, something will happen in order for it to happen, has not held up in my life at all. Lots of great things have taken place for me which I didn't "know" would happen. I would say my attitude might have been more of a "this very well could happen, it's very possible" or "wouldn't it be really cool if it did." For instance, I won a big-time fiction writing contest once, and I didn't have any calm certain knowing that I would. I was completely floored when I got the phone call. I couldn't believe it! I simply could not believe I had won. This goes against so much of what I hear about how LOA works. I'm thinking the belief concept has to be more of an underlying one. For instance, I believe I'm an excellent writer with the talent and skill to win a contest like that. I believed my story was excellent enough to send it in. Those are the strong underlying beliefs that really matter, compared to the surface belief of one particular contest which I never really imagined I would actually win. One of my friends graduated from college in computer science and sent a resume to IBM, just like, what the heck. She was completely floored when they called and asked for an interview. She never dreamed they would actually call. And they actually hired her! Again, the underlying belief was that she was excellent enough that the "might" hire her. She certainly had no calm certain knowing that they wouldn't do anything other than toss her resume in the trash with the other . . . bazillion . . . resumes they get.
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07-25-2009, 04:34 PM
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Here's another thing. Plenty of people have things go real well even when they're scared and full of doubt. I gave an example here once about my first venture back into college life about 8 years after graduating. I took a botany class which was totally out of my league. So I worked all day and studied botany in the evenings and on weekends. When it came time for the first test, I was so anxious and afraid that I was just about barfing. I kept walking around and around the building, having to force myself to go in there and take that test, rather than run away. So I took the test and did just fine. Again, this goes against the whole belief thing. When I told this story here last year, somebody responded that it may be more to do with who I am fundamentally rather than one particular incident. I thought that made a lot of sense. Who I am fundamentally is a student. A really good student. So even if I'm anxious and afraid and full of doubt about one particular test or class, somehow I know subconsciously underneath it all that I'm a really good student. I think the question about big goals can be that very big goals can mean we have to do something we've never even come close to doing before, and as Wayne Dyer says, then we have to become someone we've never been before. At this I just don't seem to know how to become someone I've never been before. |
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07-25-2009, 05:00 PM
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I think calm confidence and belief in your infinite power, joy and abundance are wonderful states to be in, and I highly recommend them. I think they work really well for generating results that you desire, especially beliefs at the identity level like you are talking about, Moonrambler. Plus they feel really good! So, what magic1 is desiring, that faith-filled, "knowing" state, I'm not dissing -- I think it's great to want that for yourself! (And the really good news is that it's just a state; like any other state, you can have it right now any time you want it, no need to wait or learn or grow into it.) I just don't reckon that it's the ONLY state from which to effectively create your desired results, because time and time again, I've deliberately created rather wonderful results without being in it. Sometimes it takes some filling up of the convincer before a knowingness is achieved, and there's no rule that says you must fill up your convincer with small, "easy" stuff before you graduate to the "difficult" stuff, unless you choose to, which is perfectly valid. But it's an illusion that manifesting one thing is "easy" and another is "difficult." If you practice believing that cats are easy and money is hard, you are creating that reality -- cats ARE easy and money IS hard. And even operating within that belief, you can still effectively create lots of abundance (or a lack of cats. ) And some people never fill up their convincers, they keep a little doubt in their game for a lifetime, and still they manage to create all kinds of desirable results in their lives. I would advocate practicing opening yourself up to possibility, rather than demanding certainty in yourself. When Dyer says, "Believe it and you'll see it," he's not saying that if you have the slightest bit of skepticism, brother, you are s*** out of luck and you're not gonna see it. He's suggesting to you, I think, that as you practice opening yourself up to possibilities, you open up your ability to see more and more of the limitlessness that is Who You Are. Because that's really what "it" is - not the parking spots or the relationship or the mazeratti or the million dollars or the making a huge difference in the world. Those are just fun signposts. |
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07-25-2009, 05:05 PM
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Who is that person? p.s... that might be a nice belief to let go of certainty on, and generate possibility on: "I already know (my unconscious or expanded self already knows) how to be the person I most want to be, and to live a life I'm in love with. More and more I am seeing it, more and more I am making the unconscious conscious, in the perfect time and at the perfect rate, and that feels really good!" Last edited by Angela; 07-25-2009 at 05:11 PM. | |
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07-26-2009, 10:59 AM
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I will just say what I've said before.. defining it as "big" doesn't serve you.. you are purposely (once again) making a definition that manifesting $20 and 1 million is somehow different.. it's not.. This is my understanding about beliefs.. back when we decided to create this reality 13,000 to 25,000 years ago.. (I forget which is the correct number) and we took ourselves from being more unlimited beings.. to more limited.. We have carried these ideas/beliefs all the way from them to now.. (no doubt they've changed some.. and disappeared in other cases along the way in history) but my understanding is that all beliefs for this reality are downloaded telepathically from our parents before age 3.. the only ones who are not downloading so many new beliefs in this time of "change" is our presently being born children.. they are now selectively sifting some out.. So whether you've created some new limiting beliefs for yourself.. or your just mucking around with the same old ones us humans have been dealing with for a long time that's for you to determine.. Maybe you should spend some time with children (to understand how to be more happy in the moment) and see them with most of their beliefs turned off till they grow up.. or their parents mess them up Btw.. maybe you should change your focus towards happiness.. and let the money come as long as being happy is your #1 focus.. When I read your post.. I kind of thinking of a kid just kicking dirt cause he's bored can't find any fun.. I suggest you also try being a optimist if you’re not already.. |
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07-26-2009, 02:54 PM
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07-26-2009, 03:07 PM
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07-26-2009, 03:08 PM
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??? You've got a belief about your identity here. Would you like to look at it? | |
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07-26-2009, 03:16 PM
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07-26-2009, 03:29 PM
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And that means I have to find something else that generates a bunch of money in order to afford being a perpetual college student. | |
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07-26-2009, 03:40 PM
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I suspect that there's something deeper than "I'm screwed" running you -- a deeper layer of that same belief. And I suspect that you have been practicing slapping a psychic smilie on top of that belief so that you can cope with it, and that just helps keep it in place. Is "perpetual college student" all you are? | |
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07-26-2009, 04:07 PM
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Of course "perpetual college student" isn't all I am, but when I imagine a life like you describe, leaping out of bed raring to go on a brand new day, that's a big part of the image. | |
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07-26-2009, 04:25 PM
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