John Demartini

[moonrambler]

I began reading "The Breakthrough Experience." I liked it that he addressed the occurrence of unwanted events in life, which it seems many LOA authors bypass altogether. I ran into a problem when he talked about how if somebody you love dies, you can take a look at the situation and realize that everything you miss about that person has been replaced by another person, so there's really no loss in life as it all balances out. That did not click with me at all, and it made me give a heavy sigh because once again, I was feeling resonance with an author only to hit a wall. I continued reading several other chapters, finding some things that seemed quite inspired, and others that landed with a clunk.

So I came here to do a search on John Demartini to see what other people had to say, and ran across that Secret is Black Magic thread, where it was commented that JD's wife died of cancer and a year later he was still going on about how there's no such thing as an incurable disease and all you have to do is let go of negative emotion. I was taken aback that with all his Breakthrough Experience and Quantum Collapse and no disease is incurable and people have spontaneous remissions by having a love shift, and so on, that he wasn't even able to get his own wife to be successful with the process.

I don't know. It all gets so confusing sometimes.

[Holistic Star]

I've seen John Demartini speak a couple of times in London and two of my friends have done the Breakthrough weekend.

We formed a little study group doing a different chapter of his book each fortnight. I really like his stuff. But man, that breakthrough can be hard to do! But when you do really collapse an issue to centre, you get a rush through you that's like nothing else. The payoff is amazing! But it isn't easy to get there. I found I needed lots of help to keep pushing through and staying focused as your mind will do anything to distract you from making those big changes.

Part of his belief is that things change form, so when you lose someone and you feel you lost say companionship, laughter, someone caring about you, what happens is that say a friend will suddenly start providing more companionship for you, suddenly your brother steps up and you get the laughter there, and you get the feeling of someone caring about you from other people around you
etc. You might not get all the things you want from the same person, but you have all the things you want in some form, it's that often we don't recognise the new form so we feel that we have lost something.

I don't know much about his wife dying. He did talk about it in his talk, but I don't remember the details. I do remember him talking about working with AIDS patients and helping them have a peaceful transition by coming to terms with painful emotions before they died so it didn't come across that no condition is incurable. IMO ometimes even if you do the emotional healing, the disease is too far progressed in the physical body to return to optimal health.

If you can get to see him speak then I would recommend it. I found his stuff make much more sense in person than from his books. However, like any teacher, take the bits that work for you and discard the rest and be prepared to pick those bits up again at a later date.

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

So I came here to do a search on John Demartini to see what other people had to say, and ran across that Secret is Black Magic thread, where it was commented that JD's wife died of cancer and a year later he was still going on about how there's no such thing as an incurable disease and all you have to do is let go of negative emotion. I was taken aback that with all his Breakthrough Experience and Quantum Collapse and no disease is incurable and people have spontaneous remissions by having a love shift, and so on, that he wasn't even able to get his own wife to be successful with the process.

I don't know. It all gets so confusing sometimes.

Well... I'm not familiar with his work, but you need to keep in mind that nobody can create in our reality but ourselves. In other words, no matter how good of a teacher he could be to her, that still doesn't mean that she was able to control her vibration in a way that could cure her disease. On the same note, knowing that in theory no disease is incurable is one thing, being able to actually cure it by means of vibration is something else entirely. I think you're questioning his credibility for the wrong reasons. Like Holistic Star said, whatever the case, use the information that resonates with you and discard the rest.

[WordKeeper]

I get the concept of the various aspects of a loved one being filled by a variety of people but as the mother of a boy whose father died before he knew him - I can't buy that philosophy fully. There is noone who has provided ANY of the things that his father did or would have. That rings hollow to me.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Patricia

In other words, no matter how good of a teacher he could be to her, that still doesn't mean that she was able to control her vibration in a way that could cure her disease. On the same note, knowing that in theory no disease is incurable is one thing, being able to actually cure it by means of vibration is something else entirely.

Not only that .... It doesn't even necessarily mean that you can cure yourself of a disease.

The practical limit of the LOA is the limit to which you have control over your own consciousness.

While all of us can work towards developing greater and greater control of our consciousnesses, and therefore have greater and greater capacity to create our own realities, it still doesn't mean that we can do everything.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

it still doesn't mean that we can do everything.

Yet.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I was taken aback that with all his Breakthrough Experience and Quantum Collapse and no disease is incurable and people have spontaneous remissions by having a love shift, and so on, that he wasn't even able to get his own wife to be successful with the process.

I don't know. It all gets so confusing sometimes.

You seem to be feigning a pattern of belief that you find a teacher, then find a flaw.. stop finding the flaw (belief) and you'll be moving on..

Jane Roberts who channeled "seth" died of I believe some form of cancer.. and even though she taught healing ideas via "seth" was unable to rectify those ideas in her own life.. you will find that kind of hypocritical stuff in any author/teacher out there.. I believe it proves there human..

But if you listen to a proper teacher.. they only want you to listen to the information and see if it works for you.. so you should really be only adopting information you resonate with and ignoring those you don't..

You’re trying to take what one teacher said/did/experienced in their life and claim that it "invalidates" everything they taught..

Freud was a great teacher for psychologist's.. yet it's a well known fact that he did coke.. does that invalidate everything he taught?

Obviously to some on the planet and into psychology the immediate answer = NO

[Dreamline]

There have only been a few avatars in our human existance that have been able to reach the level of consciousness education required to perform these incredible feats. But that doesn't mean that JD is wrong to say that no disease is incurable. ALL disease is potentially curable.

Not every person is capable of weilding this power, however. So just because someone in JDs circle died of a disease doesns't mean the message is false.

Jennifer

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

There have only been a few avatars in our human existance that have been able to reach the level of consciousness education required to perform these incredible feats. But that doesn't mean that JD is wrong to say that no disease is incurable. ALL disease is potentially curable.

Not every person is capable of weilding this power, however. So just because someone in JDs circle died of a disease doesns't mean the message is false.

Exactly! That's precisely what I wanted to say, but you said it a lot better.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

I get the concept of the various aspects of a loved one being filled by a variety of people but as the mother of a boy whose father died before he knew him - I can't buy that philosophy fully. There is noone who has provided ANY of the things that his father did or would have. That rings hollow to me.

He said a number of things about grieving which I disagreed with, which began the problem I had with the book. He said people don't need to grieve for lengthy periods of time, but they can get past it in just a few hours with the Breakthrough Experience. That grieving is only about not expressing love while the loved one is still there.

I thought he was mixing up grief with regret. To me, there is an aspect of regret, but mainly it's missing somebody very much. And although some aspects become taken up by others in the person's life, some are irreplaceable. Shared memories, certain types of long-term bonds. It's like you mention your son's father. I can share my love of speculative fiction, for instance, with many people, but I can't share it anymore with my Dad, who introduced me to the genre, and that's an empty space that can't be filled. And I think it's okay to have that space, as a marker of love.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by themaster

You’re trying to take what one teacher said/did/experienced in their life and claim that it "invalidates" everything they taught..

I know . . . believe me, I've always been very grateful that I didn't know anything at all about Richard Bach before I read Illusions

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

I get the concept of the various aspects of a loved one being filled by a variety of people but as the mother of a boy whose father died before he knew him - I can't buy that philosophy fully. There is noone who has provided ANY of the things that his father did or would have. That rings hollow to me.

I lost my father this past December and I agree with the idea that various aspects of a loved one can be filled by a variety of people but not necessarily replace certain things. However, here's a complementary concept that also makes A LOT of sense to me:

YouTube - Abraham: FROM GRIEF TO JOY - Esther and Jerry Hicks

[Dreamline]

I see it with people that follow Anthony Robbins. They say because he is divorced, he has no business educating people about relationships. Same with Barbara DeAngelis and John Gray who were once married to each other. Or your personal trainer who has put on a few pounds.

It's silly judgementalism and results in people turning away from some really cogent, useful knowledge.

Jennifer

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

I see it with people that follow Anthony Robbins. They say because he is divorced, he has no business educating people about relationships. Same with Barbara DeAngelis and John Gray who were once married to each other. Or your personal trainer who has put on a few pounds.

It's silly judgementalism and results in people turning away from some really cogent, useful knowledge.

I agree. Not to mention that the fact that someone is divorced doesn't even necessarily mean that they don't know how to have a good relationship. People get divorced for lots of different reasons - including the fact that sometimes people in a marriage find themselves wanting to pursue different paths. It has nothing to do with their ability to keep that relationship or marriage together, but with the choice of doing something else.

I've been married and divorced and to this day my ex-husband is one of my closest friends.

[Cabotine]

As a newbie here, ironically one of the first threads I ran across was about John Demartini.

I met John as a practicing chiropractor when we were in a breakfast club together in 1987. He had just begun his "Concourse of Wisdom" and the teaching of universal principals. As I too, was eagerly in search of the four major life questions - we connected. I attended his second "Breakthrough" class, his first "Prophecy", "Empyreance" and others. I know Denise, their children, knew Athena and am now friends with his partner, Starr. In 1990, he performed the marriage ceremony betweem me and my former husband - and even used our guest bedroom as "home base" in Houston after moving to NYC. Being a part of his unfolding vision was so very special, and still is.

His teachings, philosophy and mentorship created the springboard upon which my prior spiritual understanding exploded with possibility.

As with any messenger - typically, the greatest void stirs the greatest value - so whatever banner the messenger/teacher is waving will reflect a directly proportionate and opposite void. The greatest motivational teachers are often quite depressed when alone, for example. It doesn't make them hypocritical, just defines the human experience of experiencing a "separateness" from the divine...which is just an illusion. We run toward what we sense is "most missing"...and building a life in that quest, even a successful busines around it is incredibly wise. There isn't a more passionate pursuit.

I knew Athena well, and she chose an amazing life, and breast cancer - she also chose to transition, and told John, "Go find your new star"...and he did...literally. Her name is Starr. If you lift the judgements that we are physically born into....then this concept of "energy remaining constant, and only the form changing" allows us to unite spirit and body and see through completely different eyes...ones that see love as never ending - always transitioning and infinite.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Cabotine

I knew Athena well, and she chose an amazing life, and breast cancer - she also chose to transition, and told John, "Go find your new star"...and he did...literally. Her name is Starr. If you lift the judgements that we are physically born into....then this concept of "energy remaining constant, and only the form changing" allows us to unite spirit and body and see through completely different eyes...ones that see love as never ending - always transitioning and infinite.

See, I don't know. She chose breast cancer? If somebody "chose to transition," why wouldn't she just, I don't know, quit eating or something?

[Dreamline]

I too believe that we choose our paths before we are born, to some degree. Maybe not the exact circumstances but generally. To learn specific life lessons or help other's learn their life lessons. Or sometimes even help the world learn critical lessons, as in the case of Hitler.

Jennifer