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You're supposed to 'ask with faith' when intending things. Make your visualization and then truly believe it'll happen as clearly as you believe you can breathe or that the sun will rise tomorrow. When something takes time, that faith slowly goes bye bye. Without any signs or affirmations you have no clue what is going on. If it was delayed, I'd like to know about it! Also, when you feel you truly believe something will happen at a certain point. And it doesnt, you get confused and loose faith. Now you're getting caucious.. I asked for something and it didnt happen even though I completely believed it would! You start searching for any possible mistakes you might've made. You cant find any.. the faith-o-meter drops another notch. "What happened?" you say. You go online and read about all the success and how easy it was for John .D to fix something. "it worked for this guy!" Faith-o-meter drops again. You convince yourself something went wrong and try again. The faith you lost will be hard to restore but you are damn sure you're gonna try your best again! POOF... nothing happens. Whether you set a timeline of 5minutes to 3months. Suddenly, LOA seem more like some kind of scheme to fool people.. /rant. I'm just saying. I believe in LOA allthough I dont know how the hell it works, or that it even does work.. I've had no success with it yet, things I read about in success stories seem more like luck than anything, no big deal. I like to think of it as mentioned in the book "The secret" like a ordering catalogue, you know you want. You place your order, and then you wait for it. But it seems to simple in retrospect to countless failures. I have yet to see any changes happening or any signs that my "order" is recieved. I constantly focus on happy thoughts, if I start thinking in doubt (like now) I write it off, look for advice. Take a walk and while walking -recharge- by the time im home again, The only thing on my mind is success (In present sense. Ie: I'm so grateful for this $30'000 unexpected income, or I'm so grateful for how my luck with women has turned.) Even long before I read about LoA I thought that anything was possible. I even believe you could date a movie star if you wanted, in 30days or less! Anything is possible, doesnt matter how. It just is. (in fact, in my range of possibilities I believe its possible to fly without wings, I believe its possible to conjure fire without tools. Sounds very dreamlike and childish maybe but I'm just trying to illustrate what I mean) But this loa stuff is disappointing me sort of like religion. (So now you all think: It sounds to me like you don't -truly- believe) And you're right. I used to, now im not so sure. It'd be great if it does, but I cant be sure. I've seen no signs of it so far. Last edited by JacksEarth; 06-10-2009 at 04:00 PM. |
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Sorry I don't understand your quote. When you stop wanting change regardless of how things are, you have discovered true faith? Then that contradicts the point of it. Like having a computer and not use it. It just takes up space. Or like finding your spirit guide and then ignore it. I'm not talking about 'need' or 'greed' here. Last edited by JacksEarth; 06-10-2009 at 04:16 PM. | |
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There must be a point at which trying to use LoA is more like manipulation and insisting that sets yourself up for disappointment. But I'm not a practitioner of IM just replying in some way from a point of view I've gathered about it. I do like to think LoA is around and responds to what is flowing in life. To be with the flow instead of thinking there's something better is a big part of intending, I gather. Acceptance and surrender of what is puts you in humility and grace. That is like the part of letting go of the intention - completely. That is to go with the flow, in my thinking. Not so much attraction that brings things to me - but harmonizing with flow of what is already in process of perfect unfolding. Almost like they called it wrong - not the Law of Attraction but the Law of Flow. Birds of a feather flock together. If you want to be in a different flock, you find a updraft or flow that can carry you somewhere else. And the transition would be coherent with the current flock. For if you disregard the flock you are already in and just turn around, you can bump into the other birds and get hurt and tossed around. nutty analogy - just being a bit looney typing this out. If one doesn't have that part of humility and acceptance, they will always be mucking against the vibe of life and not being in flow enough. It's, to me, almost like IM is more about knowing what's already there and assuming you are it now and it is done. To do that, the state of acceptance during non-IM exercise times probably has more to do with it all than having 30 minute IM visualization periods. I too have wondered then, how does anything change or get better. All I start to find is ease and peace and I still go and do things I want to do. It even seems like what shows up in my life is more fulfilling than what I could imagine or make requests about. Let go and let god kind of thing. Instead of telling god how I want it to be and then kick and scream if it doesn't happen. But I'm not very adept at my approach either that I espouse here. Last edited by wolfgang; 06-10-2009 at 05:14 PM. |
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What sparks the interest for LoA is wishful thinking and what you don't want. LoA presents a way for you to get what you want and to be happy. Opposed to what you have and your unhappiness. Just following the principle of thinking positive makes you happier, but not entirely happy. And if this then doesn't produce results, of course you are going to be disappointed. Here you were promised bliss, you dive into it ready to give your life to it. And then get blown off. (kind of like your first crush!) Going with the flow, swimming with the current whatever. Sure thats fine, but what if the flow isnt for you, the flow you're in is like torture. You try to find another flow but there doesn't seem to be one, so now you're just trying to go against the flow and making it harder. But you'd rather be going against it with hope than follow it. Eitherway none of these roads are happy ones. LoA makes promises of giving you what you want, even materialistic things. Its a -law- so it goes for all aspects really. You dont have to be a spiritual person for it to work, you can be a retarded powerhungry idiot and it still would work. |
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I feel that Loa-Im is real,but I have problems about manifesting what I want too.I had some manifestations,also opposite manifestations too,I believe these manifestations were not by chance. But,I have trouble with manifesting what I want,I start to lose my trust to Loa,I should say that I have troubles with visualizing too,I get easily bored although I am trying to visualize what I want to have.But I know that Loa worked for me before,so still think that it is working,although I don't notice the results of my visualizations-affirmations. But,I notice synchronicities(Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events which are causally unrelated occurring together in a supposedly meaningful manner) many times.For example,I talked about monkeys with my mother and that day I saw a monkey on the television.I read a topic about synchronitu,the lady was saying that she had synchronicities about Plates,and in a few minutes I decided to look at a Tv channel's website,I wanted to look at it because I wanted to look if they will publish a tv programme again.I opened the web site,and suddenly I saw this word on the website "Plates"!I can't believe that this is by chance,this is a bit too much chance. Don't you notice synchronicities?Maybe you should be more careful,you can catch them.For me they are like small evidences of Loa working. |
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To look for them kind of defeats the purpose of it doesn't it? Sure, be aware of them. But dont go looking for them. | |
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Yes,I mean you should be aware.When I am not aware,I miss most synchronicities.When I am aware,I am able to catch them,when I am not aware,I am not able to.I am not able to notice them if I am not aware and careful. For example,in the example which I gave about monkey,if I was not aware-careful,I might not even think that it's synchronicity,although it "pop" in my face,I might just see the monkey and would not think that it's a synchronicity. Last edited by Jack; 06-10-2009 at 08:53 PM. |
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| Exactly my point. I will not accept how my life is right now and thus look for ways to fix it. Out of all the things i've done, moved, leave negative people behind, end friendships with people I dont like, go with my gut feeling spending every day doing what I want instead of what people force me to do or what society tells me. LoA seemed like a great idea. And I'm happy, you know with the changes I've made. I'm not stressed anymore and I'm very grateful, but its not ideal. There are only two things left that would make it ideal, something very simple actually but for some reason extremely tough.. for me. People always wants more, and I guess thats what you mean with your story, to not want anything more. But then the purpose of LoA/IM is lost. Quote:
And when I said that thing about the crush, I meant it the same way religious people dive into whatever religion they choose with complete faith. Some become ministers. Quote:
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Makes perfect sense, I've been through similar situations. But the thing is, I am grateful for where I am. I am happy here but that doesn't mean I dont want a relationship, or friends, or a stable income doing something I love so I can feed myself AND be happy. Nothing I've tried has provided these so LoA seemed like a great idea, marketing these specific things. And so many people speak of it as if its true, but on the other hand so do Christians about their god and thats just silly imo. I'm impulsive, and I live to experience things but what I'm really looking for is just happiness. To think that it's so hard to find for some people is really frustrating. I follow the principles of loa, I tell myself daily happy things and I think happy thoughts but at the end of the day, nothing has changed. Last edited by JacksEarth; 06-10-2009 at 11:00 PM. | |||
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If your knowledge of the LOA is based primarily (or worse, only) on "The Secret", then of course you are having difficulties. It is just a beginner's guide. Actually, even less than that. It is more like a advertising brochure to a beginner's guide. If you don't believe me, use the forum's search engine and see what people here say about it. You cannot learn to transform your reality with your mind in any significant way, just by what you learn from a 2.5 hour DVD. You should have more respect than that, for the complexities of your mind and reality. Last edited by Acting Like Godot; 06-10-2009 at 11:55 PM. |
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If you lose faith in a potential manifestation, truly...ask yourself how badly did you really want it? Something that is LOA-worthy, meaning worth all the mind work, the visualizations, the setting of proper emotions, the sheer magnitude of faith needed, you aren't going to lose faith in. It's a good measure of the quality of your manifestations. Another thing is, I see many people who are using novice or beginner manifestations skills and throwing a veritable laundry list, or Santa's list, of potential manifestations around. It's challenging enough to manifest ONE thing when you are good at manifesting, let alone spreading you desires so thin as to try and manifest a gazillion things when you are just a beginner. Hopefully, you are acting on your synchronicities and NO they don't always smash your face with obviousness. The universe is a subtle place and LOA is a subtle law. Assuming the syncs will show up in neon with bells ringing is naive. Syncs aren't always direct messages either. A seemingly unrelated thing could lead you, indirectly to your path, sometimes in quite a convoluted way. Be open to opportunities. Period. Not just on the lookout for things that say "BMW" or "mansion" or "windfall." Bottom line: If it's a worthy goal, you won't lose faith. Jennifer | |
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The Secret was only a global introduction to an infinite field of study and there was a distinct purpose in it's introduction and how it was introduced. Method to the madness...and it wasn't just to make money. There is a huge undercurrent of change going on in the world. If you cannot feel the gears turning, it's only because you are distracted by modern life. If you are talking to a group of people that only understand English, would you try and communicate a complex idea in Mandarin Chinese? No. If you are trying to communicate a complex idea to people that are brainwashed to think in terms of material gains, would you present an Earth-shattering new kind of thinking science to them dressed as holy, or spiritual or super-deep and ancient? No. You speak their language. Material is what they know, so you speak material to them. They, like kindergartners who think they are playing a game, are actually learning a skill. Probably the most important skill we will ever learn as a species. Jennifer | |
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In a nutshell, most problems that LOA practitioners encounter ultimately stem from one thing. They are still trapped in the illusion that Buddha explained. They are deceived by the apparent permanence of things. This is why: (1) they attach to their desires; and (2) they doubt that they can manifest their desires. Point (1) needs no further commentary. We all know the importance of detachment in the practice of LOA. Point (2) is more subtle. People doubt that they can fulfill their desires, BECAUSE they are tricked by the apparent permanence of things. Eg they are broke, and they want to manifest money, but they have doubts. The doubt goes like this: "Look at me now. I'm in debt. I have hardly a cent. I have no job. How on earth can I possibly become rich?". And the doubt blocks the manifestation. What has happened here is that they have been deceived. They have tricked themselves into believing that their current financial condition has a kind of permanence that in fact, it does not need to have. The fact is - nothing's permanent. Everything eventually falls away, disintegrates. (And that includes a currently negative financial condition). This is a necessary implication of the LOA. If everything is created by your own thoughts, then nothing can be permanent - because your own thoughts are changing. Some things, though, last longer than other things. And what makes them last longer .... are your stubborn thoughts. The harder you cling to certain beliefs, the longer-lasting will be the situations those beliefs create in your reality. (And that again includes, say, a currently negative financial condition). ----------------------- Now, what has all this got to do with your own comments about flow? Flow implies movement. Movement implies change. Change implies impermanence. Going with the flow therefore means that you acknowledge the inevitability of change, and the impermanence of your life situations. THEREFORE when you're in flow, it's easy for your negative life situations to be transformed, to be swept away, to change into a more positive state. After all, they are impermanent. When you go with the flow, you allow these life situations to change ... instead of sustaining them and lengthening their existence, with your own stubborn, negative thoughts. And the more you are in the flow, the more quickly your negative life situations change. And since it's ultimately all about Source, and Source is ultimately all the good stuff, going with the flow simply means that you let the bad stuff get swept away, to be replaced by a completely good flow of impermanent positive things into your life. Note - the good stuff is ALSO impermanent. Enjoy them while they last. And importantly, stay connected, stay in the flow ... and as the old good stuff falls away, the new good stuff comes along. Last edited by Acting Like Godot; 06-11-2009 at 12:18 AM. | |
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that was cool, alg. sometimes I desire less instead of more to attempt being in the flow. But maybe desire is flow in a way. and thinking that going with the flow means status quo or not following your passions is actually a version of resisting. It's like being afraid to let the flow of life take you, which should be full of your passions anyway. but the needy persistent desires somehow are not with it. do you think? |
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There are days when nothing can get to me, and there are days when everything gets to me. Sadly I have a lot more of the latter. I'd describe the first part as being in the flow. Or 'Hakuna Matata' as I say to those who ask me how I cannot take something seriously or how I'm not upset at whatever for whatever reason. I guess staying in the flow constantly is why all the munks sit and meditate their whole lives :| |
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| Wait waitwaitwaitwaaaait... Now I get it. When you want something, you focus on wanting it. But by wanting something you acknowledge that you dont have it, you -lack- it. So 'To get what you want by not wanting it' would mean that when you can finally give up those desires to want something It'll come to you because you dont feel the lack of it. So when you can give up on desires and completely focus on just being content now. Even if you have nothing. You'll attract more to yourself because you dont put any focus on your lack of whatever... this just seems sooooo contradictory, cuz if you're content with what you have, then there's no need to give you anything. But if you're content with what you have then you dont want anything either. And that's kinda sad to not strive to get something. What is your purpose then? You just ARE.. you server no function anymore than just breathing. That just describes severe depression! only difference would be that instead of feeling the need to die you feel nothing at all but content. |
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maybe it's like swimming in a stream and not doing anything would be passive and not really going with the flow, just coasting. following your passions would be swimming with the current. not following your passions would be a form of resistance. but then to get way ahead of the current would be pushing it. Last edited by wolfgang; 06-11-2009 at 04:53 PM. |
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JacksEarth, Stop being such a blockhead. wolfgang gave you the answer and direction you need in his first two posts. *Instant manifestation* of the answer you desired but you won't receive it. Your mind has to blather away on wanting, pretending not to want but also not being satisfied with anything, and blah, blah, blah. This is the EXACT pattern you have with certain manifestations in your life. You make space for something, it comes, you won't receive it, it looks like it never manifested, and the mind goes into this logical deduction as to why. Quote:
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Interesting. Mind in motion again. 5 yard penalty. There is no purpose except what you're doing in the moment. Sucks, doesn't it? lol Quote:
Choose to be at peace with what is, now, and see what happens. Your life won't stop... you'll give it some space away from your mental musings and allow a different flow to come in. You have a very active mind like mine. I suggest reading Loving What is by Byron Katie and do 'the work' on your thoughts you believe are true. | ||||||
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Loved your response Dharma, made me laugh. It feels like your telling me "stop thinking so much"! But like you said, I have a very active mind, I cannot NOT think constantly. Making up philosophies and theories ever 5minutes :P And I honestly did not understand what Wolfgang meant in his first post so sorry, the answer isn't hitting me in the face just yet. I'm very attached to my version of Logic and common sense, and its rare but sometimes I find a way to convince myself and adjust my logic and common sense to whatever new thing I find. You don't base decisions on your own personal experiences,logic,common sense? Then on what? God? Sorry, for being a blockhead! I'm trying really hard not to be! >_< I just need some severe convincing.. Ya know, I guess I'm thinking so much about it because it caught my interest. And I dont really have any other interest to devote my time in.. I just love good discussion =x Last edited by JacksEarth; 06-11-2009 at 04:38 PM. |
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--------- JacksEarth said: But if you're content with what you have then you don’t want anything either. And that's kinda sad to not strive to get something. --------- I would say that when you’re content (happy/satisfied) with what you have (w/your life, w/who you are, etc)… it’s then that you have “lightened up” enough to really want to PLAY and CREATE! You don’t 'give up' because you’re ‘at peace’ with existence. No! When you’re more at-peace with yourself that’s when you really feel your creative power. Your mind is not pulled in 100 different directions, so you can really focus, become one-pointed on an intention and apply the right energy or vibes (which is a more “lighthearted” energy rather than an attached, pushy, impatient, insistent state). However, you don’t have to be totally “at-peace” to manifest… But, especially for the bigger things, it helps to be able to “tame” the mind, keep it from going in directions that sabotage your intention and that create doubt, worry, over-thinking or the “wrong” way of thinking about things. Or, when you see your mind has already gone in the “wrong” direction, you need to be able to catch that as soon as possible and bring it back. |
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To get good at what I wrote about in my post # 24 above, you need to practice awareness… to be able to clearly see what is going on in you (your mind, thoughts, feelings) and what’s going on in your life too. The more aware you are of your inner happenings as well as your outer happenings, the more you can make the inner-outer connection and see how what’s going on in you affects different aspects of your life… and how your thoughts manifest. Then you can explore or “play with” deliberate creating and w/fine-tuning your mind or state (or vibrations) to the right frequency for focused manifestation. For me, many years of meditation and ‘mindfulness’ (awareness of what’s going on in me) have helped tremendously. And also, taking responsibility for everything in my life. You say you believe in LOA but don’t see the evidence you need (I don’t recall your exact words). Maybe you can start with looking back and listing various events from your life that come to mind and explore how you may have brought about or encouraged that event or thing through your wanting (something in you really wanted that) or through your focus on it or your thoughts, feelings or mental state at the time. Take responsibility for all those life events!… whether you can see clearly how you brought it about or not. It’s more ‘empowering’ to emphasize the more positive events, but don’t neglect the negative ones. Do recall, though, that taking responsibility is not a head-thing… it’s at the level of Being (or “Higher Self”)… so don’t blame or fault yourself or allow any guilt. It also helps, especially when you set a fairly big intention for your life, to jot down everything that happens that seems related to that intention… like any synchronicities, alpha-reflections (harbingers), signs, hunches, dreams, and any related manifestation. This will help convince your mind that a real manifestation-process is underway and also helps keep you on track (this exercise also intensifies, and maybe even speeds up, the process). |
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| Landi Star - Sweet advice, fun to read too. Something I struggle with is my impatience, I want everything to happen right now. I dont understand why It cant, "because things takes time" Sure, if you keep thinking like that ofc its gonna take time! I'd meditate if I knew how but I cant find any good directions or advice for the life of me.. "Sit down relax and clear your mind" wait what? Focus on breathing is a popular one. Can't say I felt any calmer by focusing on my breath for 20minutes. |
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Be thankful that manifesting isn't instantaneous; imagine the nightmarish chaos that would result if you began to wonder "Omigod, what if I think about [insert horrible calamity]?" Anyone more experienced with this may feel free to correct me, but I'm beginning to suspect that manifesting must operate within the structure of a feedback loop... |
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Let me explain with a simple illustration. Take any of your own intentions as an example, eg "I wish to obtain X." Next, on a scale of 1 to 10, rank each of the following: 1. How strongly you wish to obtain X. 2. How confident/certain you are, that you will obtain X. 3. How willing and accepting you feel, about the fact that you do not currently have X in your reality. When you have done this simple exercise, you will understand how you had earlier mixed up different concepts. You see, people and their different desires come in all sorts of different permutations. Ideally where you want to be is - - you have a strong desire - you have deep confidence that it will be achieved - you are happy with the fact that you do not currently have it Eg a young, outstanding athlete who strongly believes that he will make it to the Olympics and win a medal in the year [ ], and in the meantime, although his goal is not fulfilled yet, he's very happy and positive and enthusiastic about training hard, enjoying his sport, getting better and better month after month. | |
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I'll give you an analogy. Consider an ecosystem - eg a rainforest, or the oceans. Over hundreds of millions of years, new species of birds, insects, mammals, reptiles, fish etc do emerge. However, when they emerge, they have to emerge in a way that gels with the rest of the ecosystem. Otherwise everything gets disrupted and there would be chaos. It's like man introducing rabbits for the first time to Australia - without a natural predator, the rabbits multiply like crazy in the wild; and become a major pest. Similarly, when you seek to create something in your reality, it has to emerge out of the totality of your reality. "Big" changes are usually more difficult than "small" changes, because "big" changes tend to be more disruptive of the many other things in your life and environment that you have already created with your thoughts, and are continuing to sustain with your thoughts. For example, if you manifest a blue feather, this would not disrupt the rest of your life in a major life. But if you manifested 4 million dollars in 5 minutes, this could disrupt your life in a major way. Say you are currently living in a humble, but pleasant home that you're quite fond of. Perhaps you were setting the intention to work as a teacher. Perhaps you treat your parents in a certain way, which is related to your financial dependence on you, or your financial dependence on them. Perhaps you eat in certain types of places; have certain types of hobbies have certain types of friends - and all these are the result of your thoughts and beliefs, which in turn are influenced by the amount of money you currently have. Now all of the above things could be massively changed, if you suddenly obtained 4 million dollars in 5 minutes. Different aspects of you may therefore resist such a manifestation. For example, perhaps a part of you really wants to be a teacher; and yet another part of you thinks that if you had 4 million dollars, you wouldn't want to work as a teacher (or as anything else). There is therefore subconscious resistance to the idea of getting 4 million dollars. So it doesn't manifest, or doesn't manifest quickly. That is why the serious LOA practitioner will spend a lot of time probing his own consciousness. It's to understand what's really going on in your own head. Meditation is one useful method. Journalling is another useful method. Keeping a dream diary and analysing your dreams is a 3rd useful method. Or you could simply keep asking yourself - "Why do I want X?". And when the answer comes ("Because of Y"), you ask yourself again: "But why does Y matter to me?". And when a further answer comes, you ask yourself further questions again and again, delving deeper and deeper into your own mind. Warning - whatever X is, after further self-probes you might then realise that X is stupid. You then lose your desire for it, hahaa. If you go far enough, you become like Buddha ... You transcend all desires, become enlightened and enjoy eternal bliss and happiness for no particular reason at all. Last edited by Acting Like Godot; 06-12-2009 at 02:06 AM. | |
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