What's your take on the Universal Being/Law of Attraction/Secret?

[Kenny Hsia]

So um, my english class has been discussing topics pertaining to topics like transcendentalism, The Law of Attraction, Universal Being etc. And well, I've had my doubts of course as anyone does, I just want to know how you people out there view topics like this. Like, What do YOU believe in, and what does it mean for your life?

Personally, I see all of this as a metaphor of a way to view life. What it seems like to me, is that what the LoA does is help you achieve happiness, but I think that some people are taking it all too literally, as in, "If I think this, then it will happen." I think of it more like a mindset, a way of perceiving the world, so that in the end, what the LoA does is not create new happiness for us, but show us the happiness that was already possible. I don't actually think it exists as a "law," There is no law or rule that will give us the answer to life, there IS no answer to life, it's up to you to create that answer for yourself and pursue it and fulfill it with ways you see fit, the LoA can help you in some aspects of that process, but no "rule" can actually prepare you for every scenario out there. Dealing with those different possibilities calls for improvisation in how you approach life. So again, it's not a law, it's simply a way of looking at things, its a way of appreciating what you already have in life and learning to use it.

I've already read up on the quantum mechanics involved in the LoA, but its validity seems questionable to me, how is it that simply electrical impulses in our brains and the movement of chemical transmitters is able to help create what we want out of energy? And what happens when people with two conflicting ideas wish for the same thing? what happens then? What if I want someone to die, but someone else wants that same person to live forever? Does reality become ripped to shreds?

And for those of you who have "proof," like an experience, that the LoA works and does exist, let me say this, first think of the size of our universe and the amount of particles in it, now think of all the possibilities that could result form them. What may seem like the doing of the LoA could just be one of those possibilities, perhaps what we view as coincidental and seemingly magical is just another naturally occurring possibility in our vast universe.

Really, I truly believe that there is no Secret to life, life is not an equation to be solved, it isn't a problem that requires a logical answer. Life is life, nothing more and nothing less, there is no formula that will give you happiness, it is up to you to realize that happiness and pursue it with every fiber of your being. You cause the changes, not the LoA, your thoughts and feelings define your reality and your actions create it.

I'd be glad to hear anything you all have to say, thank you.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Kenny Hsia

Really, I truly believe that there is no Secret to life, life is not an equation to be solved, it isn't a problem that requires a logical answer. Life is life, nothing more and nothing less, there is no formula that will give you happiness, it is up to you to realize that happiness and pursue it with every fiber of your being. You cause the changes, not the LoA, your thoughts and feelings define your reality and your actions create it.

I'd be glad to hear anything you all have to say, thank you.

You could have skipped everything you said in the middle and just stated the above.

The mind and logic are a creation of the consciousness; something it likes to play with very often. This creation hides the truth of most things from humans and there is a whole extraordinary world out there yet to be discovered if people would stop trying to grasp reality with their mind.

LOA is trying to grasp creation with the mind and make mind the "doer". Mind can't see anything before itself so it concludes it must be the director of creation, when in fact, it is part of the creation itself. The mind is an outward manifestation of your being put into the frame of logic. Nothing more. Some part of ourselves we see with our mind, some part with emotion, and some parts physically.

The self or all-that-is is the one doing the choosing, the manifesting, not the mind. Can we consciously choose? Of course! That is a topic I could build a whole website around, so I'm not going to go further here.

Good luck with your class.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Kenny Hsia

You cause the changes, not the LoA, your thoughts and feelings define your reality and your actions create it.

I'd be glad to hear anything you all have to say, thank you.

If you believe this.. then it is true for you.. but remember that LOA works, whether you use it or not.. you can use LOA to say.. LOA has no effect on me.. and therefore in a way it does and doesn't.. I like to say or like this phrase better..

You can create a belief in your life that you are not supported but even when you create that you are not supported you are being supported in that belief (okay, well it can be written better re-phrases never work out that well )

LOA is a fundamentally a type of religion.. see various old debates on this for proof.. or not proof

But what LOA really can be is.. to see you have effect on reality.. you thought of jelly beans and they popped into your reality cause you thought of that etc.

Which is in effect what you’re saying with this statement..
You cause the changes, not the LoA, your thoughts and feelings define your reality and your actions create it but your also making out like the LOA idea is "external" to the you part.. at least it reads that way..

This is where you have the formula wrong.. it's beliefs, thoughts and feelings that define reality.. at least I'm saying you’re missing a key idea.. "beliefs"

I'm going to return to this concept..

What's your take on the Universal Being/Law of Attraction/Secret?

The secret or the sect part that teaches you LOA is a step in a much bigger picture if you follow it all the way.. and it does require this step.. someone must be able to setup and experiment and not hold themselves back or re-enforce any kind of negative skepticism to make it work..

What I'm saying is that technically LOA is a 3 part step process for a spiritual journey.. assuming you go all the way.. (obviously many haven't yet)

Steps in order
1. Law of attraction learning to create/manifest and indentify thoughts/synchronicities activating in your reality
2. Understanding that if life is not a coincidence.. then.. it's all planned
3. Integration of understanding of all that is.. in essence learning the rest, we are the same particle, we are the same being and whole hell of a lot more then I can even write out, right now.. (going for short and sweet approach.. it's kind of working )

In essence I would be willing to call this process.. the manual to life because this manual exceeds where science can take you alone.. it fills in all the answers science can't answer.. this is my opinion bare in mind I also call it a religion too

[Sea]

You don't have to be spiritual to use LoA, you could just take a different frame on it and believe that you're just subconsciously moving yourself towards possibilities you like more and you'll still achieve the same effect.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Kenny Hsia

So um, my english class has been discussing topics pertaining to topics like transcendentalism, The Law of Attraction, Universal Being etc. And well, I've had my doubts of course as anyone does, I just want to know how you people out there view topics like this. Like, What do YOU believe in, and what does it mean for your life?

Personally, I see all of this as a metaphor of a way to view life. What it seems like to me, is that what the LoA does is help you achieve happiness, but I think that some people are taking it all too literally, as in, "If I think this, then it will happen." I think of it more like a mindset, a way of perceiving the world, so that in the end, what the LoA does is not create new happiness for us, but show us the happiness that was already possible. I don't actually think it exists as a "law," There is no law or rule that will give us the answer to life, there IS no answer to life, it's up to you to create that answer for yourself and pursue it and fulfill it with ways you see fit, the LoA can help you in some aspects of that process, but no "rule" can actually prepare you for every scenario out there. Dealing with those different possibilities calls for improvisation in how you approach life. So again, it's not a law, it's simply a way of looking at things, its a way of appreciating what you already have in life and learning to use it.

I've already read up on the quantum mechanics involved in the LoA, but its validity seems questionable to me, how is it that simply electrical impulses in our brains and the movement of chemical transmitters is able to help create what we want out of energy? And what happens when people with two conflicting ideas wish for the same thing? what happens then? What if I want someone to die, but someone else wants that same person to live forever? Does reality become ripped to shreds?

And for those of you who have "proof," like an experience, that the LoA works and does exist, let me say this, first think of the size of our universe and the amount of particles in it, now think of all the possibilities that could result form them. What may seem like the doing of the LoA could just be one of those possibilities, perhaps what we view as coincidental and seemingly magical is just another naturally occurring possibility in our vast universe.

Really, I truly believe that there is no Secret to life, life is not an equation to be solved, it isn't a problem that requires a logical answer. Life is life, nothing more and nothing less, there is no formula that will give you happiness, it is up to you to realize that happiness and pursue it with every fiber of your being. You cause the changes, not the LoA, your thoughts and feelings define your reality and your actions create it.

I'd be glad to hear anything you all have to say, thank you.

Newbie. All the usual questions. LOL.

Hey Kenny, try looking up the old threads in these forums. Lots of details and info there,

[Dreamline]

But if you really try LOA and you do get it to work, even just a few times, all that blah blah and doubt vanishes. POOF!

But people are lazy, they don't want to try. At least not correctly. But interestingly, they aren't too lazy for "massive action."

Jennifer

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

But if you really try LOA and you do get it to work, even just a few times, all that blah blah and doubt vanishes. POOF!

He would dismiss those as coincidences. He did address that point in his post.

Of course, the simple solution is to try and try again. With more and more practice, the success rate goes higher and higher, crushing the hypothesis that it's all just random coincidence.

The other point is to play with more bizarre/unusual intentions, the successful manifestations of which are much less possible to attribute to random coincidence.

"Look, Ma, that man just walked on water, healed the blind and plucked 5,000 loaves of bread out of his basket!"

"Nonsense, child, it was just a coincidence".

[Dreamline]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

He would dismiss those as coincidences. He did address that point in his post.

Of course, the simple solution is to try and try again. With more and more practice, the success rate goes higher and higher, crushing the hypothesis that it's all just random coincidence.

The other point is to play with more bizarre/unusual intentions, the successful manifestations of which are much less possible to attribute to random coincidence.

"Look, Ma, that man just walked on water, healed the blind and plucked 5,000 loaves of bread out of his basket!"

"Nonsense, child, it was just a coincidence".

The funny thing is, I can still tell when a coincidence happens in my life vs a manifestation. There is a definite difference.

Jennifer

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Kenny Hsia

I've already read up on the quantum mechanics involved in the LoA, but its validity seems questionable to me, how is it that simply is able to help create what we want out of energy? And what happens when people with two conflicting ideas wish for the same thing? what happens then? What if I want someone to die, but someone else wants that same person to live forever? Does reality become ripped to shreds?

Don't know but those electrical impulses in our brains and the movement of chemical transmitters somehow cause potential wave-like particles to jump into a much smaller wave state which to us appears as a "particle".

Before the 1920s your assumption would be correct but now the electrical impulses have a meaningful connection to creating states of matter.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

The funny thing is, I can still tell when a coincidence happens in my life vs. a manifestation. There is a definite difference.

I'm going to assume you’re not joking.. that your stating.. "There is a definite difference" and this is where I state to you that this is a limiting belief/definition..

When you release this definition.. then you will understand "there are no COINICDENCES" and you have reached step #2 (which then we give you a pity party.. and you get free birthday cake )

[Dreamline]

I don't see this as a defect or an issue.

I know there is a school of thought that states there is no such thing as a coincidence but there are. It's a big world, and I am extraordinarily observant compared to most humans, and some things that sync just end up not meaning jack. There is no zing. No cosmic tickle. No meaning. No message. Empty. Coincidence.

But when I begin a manifestation, I can almost HEAR the gears of the universe moving and squeaking into motion. I can smell a difference in the air. I can glance and see something meaningful and everyone of them makes me laugh because I know it's happening for me.

Big difference.

Jennifer

[Talkofthatown919]

aren't are current realities a manfiestation of our thoughts?

But neways i believe in the law of attraction to the fullest

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

I don't see this as a defect or an issue.

Glad you don't view it that way.. that's half the battle right there

Originally Posted by Dreamline

I know there is a school of thought that states there is no such thing as a coincidence but there are. It's a big world, and I am extraordinarily observant compared to most humans, and some things that sync just end up not meaning jack. There is no zing. No cosmic tickle. No meaning. No message. Empty. Coincidence.

You may not recognize it as such.. while things may seem in your environment as "neutral" or "random" from a much higher perspective you could recognize the idea that nothing is coincidence.. but that is obviously for you to work out or not..

There is nothing wrong with seeing the world with coincidences.. I was merely pointing out it is a limiting perspective.. if you wish to be limited, enjoy your perspective.. but try and always remember it is a choice, don't turn it into a belief..

[Digitise8]

Is there by any means you believe in "luck" ?

Because not all hard working people I know are successful, and not all "lazy" people I know are destitute.

No offense, I know you mean well, but if I were to believe the same as you do, life will lose it's vibrant color to me.

To be born, go to school, get a job, have a family then die in old age, rot, be forgotten just doesn't resonate with me at all. It seems so sad to me.. Life in it's infinite beauty would just become a chore. I believe there is something more to it. I pray that there is something more to it.

The law of attraction in my opinion does work. After all look at the forums, there are tons of great testimonials out there. There is also something about "Giving" They say what you give out, you'll recieve more in return.

Perhaps that is the reason why so many rich people here in my country give to charity. Though their morals are truely questionable, their wealth just keeps on growing. Try it. It might work for you.

Your post sounded intelligent, and I believe you are an interesting individual. It's just that there is nothing new there.

Life is just Life.. well what is Life? What is thought? Why is it there? Why is everything made out of the same substance but still look different on a physical level? If things are so simple, how come there is complication in even some of the most mundane things we do?

Is it because we just made it so? Then there you go, that's the law of attraction for you. "You made it so"

Just because I know how to add numbers doesn't mean I know everything about math and should stop learning new things and accept things the way they are. Hey those additional skills may come in handy in the future, right?

Have a nice day, and I wish you well