Is visualisation needed for something quite specific?

[seirwyn]

The most effective technique I have used so far is the 'set it and forget it' method. I tried thinking about stuff a lot at first but this just made me doubt and put out loads of negative energy so I discovered by a bit of trial and error what works best for me.
However, so far Ive used it for quite unspecific things but there are a few specific things that I want which I have used exactly the same technique for but they seem to be less forthcoming. I was wondering whether you need to put in a bit more affirmative energy by visualising the thing you want and doing it daily.Generally I dont do daily visualisation and I still get what I ask for but sometimes they are approximations. Most of the time this is OK though)
I have heard that vision boards are very effective. Im wondering if you can just be very clear with your initial intention and the forget about it or if you need to keep feeding it because maybe specific things need more creative energy. Or is this just another scarcity mindset that they are harder to get than simple things?
I think that everyone finds techniques that suit them so there may not be one answer but any feedback is always useful

[StacyT]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

The most effective technique I have used so far is the 'set it and forget it' method.

I totally agree - that works for me, too. I usually find that the more I visualize something, the less likely I am to receive it.

[Lil Chris]

I agree with StacyT too,
It seems the more I tend to think about something, I end up putting the kabosch on it manifesting. Yet when I just happen to momentarily think of something a few days later there it is... Intriguing to say the least.

[viking4525]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I agree with StacyT too,
It seems the more I tend to think about something, I end up putting the kabosch on it manifesting. Yet when I just happen to momentarily think of something a few days later there it is... Intriguing to say the least.

It depends on what you are FEELING when you are visualising ... if you are visualising and yet you are feeling a NEED, you MUST have it, you have a clingy attachment to it, then it will never manifest.

Thats why its probably best to think of it that you are looking at manifesting something from INSIDE of yourself out, externalising something instead of looking to pull something into you. If you don't KNOW its yours, then you are intending the opposite.

Holding an image or a "sequence" in your mind for a "set" amount of time with NO feelings or with NEGATIVE feelings aren't the way forward.

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I agree with StacyT too,
It seems the more I tend to think about something, I end up putting the kabosch on it manifesting. Yet when I just happen to momentarily think of something a few days later there it is... Intriguing to say the least.

Is it liie this for specific things too? Do they come just as easl=ily if you are clear about hat you want when you set the intention and then just leave them alone?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

The most effective technique I have used so far is the 'set it and forget it' method. I tried thinking about stuff a lot at first but this just made me doubt and put out loads of negative energy so I discovered by a bit of trial and error what works best for me.
However, so far Ive used it for quite unspecific things but there are a few specific things that I want which I have used exactly the same technique for but they seem to be less forthcoming. I was wondering whether you need to put in a bit more affirmative energy by visualising the thing you want and doing it daily.Generally I dont do daily visualisation and I still get what I ask for but sometimes they are approximations. Most of the time this is OK though)
I have heard that vision boards are very effective. Im wondering if you can just be very clear with your initial intention and the forget about it or if you need to keep feeding it because maybe specific things need more creative energy. Or is this just another scarcity mindset that they are harder to get than simple things?
I think that everyone finds techniques that suit them so there may not be one answer but any feedback is always useful

From my experience in IM and studying different teachings I find that meditation/visualization done properly is the most effective way to manipulate energy. Coupled with being in a positive and faithful state between meditations and not thinking too much on your desires, like you said "set it and forget it".
The "setting it" seems to be more powerful from the meditative state than in ordinary consciousness. There is much written about the "alpha state" your mind goes into during meditation and it's relationship too manifesting.

With that said, we obviously are always manifesting and simply setting an intention does give it creative power. One problem with that is if you spend 5 minutes setting an intention from normal consciousness it's possible to negate that intention later on with 5 minutes of negative dwelling (I don't know if that's EXACTLY true but y'know..)

Really though the most important thing is to use a method that you have the most faith and belief in. That positive, faithful, excited about your goal type energy is really the most important thing.

[seirwyn]

Thanks thats good advice.
Sometimes Ive had the fleeting tgought of 'how on earth is this going to happen?' after Ive set an intention but I dopnt dwell on it, I just respod with 'oh well, Ill give it a chance and wait and see.' And then I get it-sometimes quickly and some things (simple and basic ) Im still waiting for.

If the intention is so powerful in itdelf, and obviously in some cases all that is needed, then if you visualise every day does this send out the same energy as the intention? Will this speed up the results?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

Thanks thats good advice.
Sometimes Ive had the fleeting tgought of 'how on earth is this going to happen?' after Ive set an intention but I dopnt dwell on it, I just respod with 'oh well, Ill give it a chance and wait and see.' And then I get it-sometimes quickly and some things (simple and basic ) Im still waiting for.

If the intention is so powerful in itdelf, and obviously in some cases all that is needed, then if you visualise every day does this send out the same energy as the intention? Will this speed up the results?

I lean towards saying the energy you are sending out from the alpha state is much more powerful. Seth/Jane Roberts called it "concentrated thought". The people who are really good at this stuff, or at least have fame, fortunes and incredible knowledge/speaking abilities and beautiful energy about them, really stress the importance of connecting with God and releasing that intention in that space. They do it in a subtle way as to not be too rigid but from modern spiritual teachers to ancient monks meditation is the core of spiritual practice.

Try some experimenting with different methods anyway.

If something isn't working/manifesting I find I can usually find the opposing thoughts/feelings that are in the way. Sometimes they are SUPER obvious but at one point I might not be able to see them yet.

[seirwyn]

whats the alpha state?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

whats the alpha state?

There was a thread on this board about it:

Questions about Alpha state

[seirwyn]

Thanks for the link. So you go into alpha and then do happy visualisations. Is this more powerful than just daydreaming or merely setting an intention?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

Thanks for the link. So you go into alpha and then do happy visualisations. Is this more powerful than just daydreaming or merely setting an intention?

According to all of the IM masters I've read about it is very much so.
My experience has confirmed this also.

[Rocksta]

From "Creative Mind and Success" by Ernest Holmes:

SOME people visualize everything that they think of and many think that it is impossible
to make a demonstration unless they possess the power to visualize. This is not the case.
While a certain amount of vision is necessary, on the other hand it must be remembered
that we are dealing with a power that is like the soil of the ground, which will produce the
plant when we plant seed. It does not matter if we have never before seen a plant like the
one that is to be made for us. Our thought is the seed and mind is the soil. We are always
planting and harvesting. All that we need to do is to plant only that which we want to
harvest. This is not difficult to understand. We cannot think poverty and at the same time
demonstrate plenty. If a person wants to visualize let him do so, and if he sees himself in
full possession of his desire and knows that he is receiving, he will make his
demonstration. If, on the other hand, he does not visualize, then let him simply state what
he wants and absolutely believe that he has it and the result will always be the same.

[Simcha]

oh - I am having fun on this forum - in some ways I feel like I just found a candy store - so much great stuff to think about - talk about - and feel into...

My understanding is that the LOA works from the feeling place - and when we get too specific about the details of the "physical thing" we crave we can significantly limit its effectiveness.

I have always been taught to use the vision boards to create the feelings I would have when I obtained whatever it is I intend - and then to work with the feeling of it and to let go of the details

In other words - if I thought I wanted a trip to Italy - I would use the vision to create how I would feel when I got to Italy - and then stay in the feeling place
and let go of the specifics relative to Italy

Which then frees the Universe to bring to me a trip to Australia - which may
be an even better space for me to have that feeling...

Does that make sense? Is it Italy you want - or the feelings you expect to have when you are there? If you can get even more of those feelings somewhere else - isn't that OK?

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by viking4525

It depends on what you are FEELING when you are visualising ... if you are visualising and yet you are feeling a NEED, you MUST have it, you have a clingy attachment to it, then it will never manifest.

Thats why its probably best to think of it that you are looking at manifesting something from INSIDE of yourself out, externalising something instead of looking to pull something into you. If you don't KNOW its yours, then you are intending the opposite.

Holding an image or a "sequence" in your mind for a "set" amount of time with NO feelings or with NEGATIVE feelings aren't the way forward.

Yes I can relate! I enjoy my visualisations much more now!

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by joelr

According to all of the IM masters I've read about it is very much so.
My experience has confirmed this also.

Thanks for your reply. At the moment I am doing what I call 'happy visualisations,' which is just beleiving the fantasy and totally enjoying it as if there was no reason in the world why it couldnt happen. I dont allow any negative thoughts in or stop to analyse the process. I dont do this in a deep state of relaxation yet though. Is it necessary to do so?

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by Simcha

Does that make sense? Is it Italy you want - or the feelings you expect to have when you are there? If you can get even more of those feelings somewhere else - isn't that OK?

Yes, however I do need to have a list of specifics in order to get me excited and into the 'feeling.' I totally understand that a mere list of things whne manifested wont necessarily make me feel the way I thought it would. So i definately say 'I want to manifest someone who makes me feel like this.' But in your example, I would find it helpful to imagine being on the beaches of Italy, looking around the city and doing all the other things that i would like to do there, in order to evoke the feelings necessary to then be able to say 'I want an experience that makes me feel like this.' I think its OK to be specific because I have heard of stories where people have got exactly what they asked for but it didnt make them feel the way they thought. So Im thinking maybe be specific but then use the list to evoke your feelings.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

Thanks for your reply. At the moment I am doing what I call 'happy visualisations,' which is just beleiving the fantasy and totally enjoying it as if there was no reason in the world why it couldnt happen. I dont allow any negative thoughts in or stop to analyse the process. I dont do this in a deep state of relaxation yet though. Is it necessary to do so?

It's not necessary. Still all other things being equal it seems that intentions from a trance state are in some sense stronger. Even the scientist William Tiller has done some research on this and found intentions from a meditation state have a measurable effect on the local area and can even be imprinted into a device and carried out in another lab!? More work is needed in that area but it is an interesting start.

The channeling people, most notably Seth and LOA teachers like Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra also strongly suggest combining IM with meditation.
At any rate there are many other benefits to meditation. I found it helps with understanding all the metaphysical ideas from a more intuitive level rather that just intellectual.

[Acting Like Godot]

Alpha has been my personal key in using the LOA.

It need not be your personal key. I think that different people will be inclined towards different methods. Eg some people will do very well just by managing their emotions effectively. Others will do very well just using positive affirmations or writing out their goals regularly.

But for me personally, alpha has been the key.

Ideally you want to get into a state of deep relaxation, yet retain mental alertness. It is a state that can arise from hypnosis, or prayer, or meditation, or through methods such as progressive muscular relaxation.

Just getting to alpha and staying there for some time, eg 15 minutes, is in itself a beneficial exercise, even if you are not manifesting anything. Basically it feels very good.

If you do a bit of googling about stress management workshops, you'll see that the exercises they teach will actually lead the person into alpha. They may use methods such as progressive muscular relaxation, or deep breathing exercises, but the effect is the same.

As far as the LOA is concerned, the whole idea is that (1) you go to alpha, and (2) only then do you start thinking about your goals and intentions.

Unfortunately it isn't always easy to get to alpha. It takes some practice and sometimes the environment poses challenges. Eg because I have two young kids and they can be quite boisterous and noisy, my home isn't always conducive for getting to alpha.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Unfortunately it isn't always easy to get to alpha. It takes some practice and sometimes the environment poses challenges. Eg because I have two young kids and they can be quite boisterous and noisy, my home isn't always conducive for getting to alpha.

I have a cat, and he possesses the knack of putting up a big fuss just when I am getting deepest into trance

[Acting Like Godot]

[marinik]

Wax in alpha after his famous guacamole!



and then he went in deeeeeeeeeeeepppppppp!

[Simcha]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

Yes, however I do need to have a list of specifics in order to get me excited and into the 'feeling.' I totally understand that a mere list of things whne manifested wont necessarily make me feel the way I thought it would. So i definately say 'I want to manifest someone who makes me feel like this.' But in your example, I would find it helpful to imagine being on the beaches of Italy, looking around the city and doing all the other things that i would like to do there, in order to evoke the feelings necessary to then be able to say 'I want an experience that makes me feel like this.' I think its OK to be specific because I have heard of stories where people have got exactly what they asked for but it didnt make them feel the way they thought. So Im thinking maybe be specific but then use the list to evoke your feelings.

I think I understand what you are saying - and I think I agree

I get very specific in the details during the visualizations - the beaches, the view, the sounds.

It helps me get into the feeling place...

Then - when I look for the physical manifestation of my desire - its the feeling place I am looking for

not the beach

[Simcha]

LOL

thanks for all the images

Loving it - and what a goal ...

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by marinik

Wax in alpha after his famous guacamole!

That is disturbingly accurate