What if two manisfestations disagree?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Actually I think I do understand what you are saying. It's basically like saying the difference between hoping to land that job, and deciding to land that job. Right?

No, hoping and deciding are both conscious thought processes of desire. You can want the job very much, and at the same time have an unconscious commitment to NOT get the job, and your unconscious commitment will likely prevail. I'm thinking of my friend who desperately (consciously) wanted a job, and she would ask the prospective employers, "You wouldn't want to hire me, would you?" And she would really suffer about why no one would hire her. She truly wanted and tried to get a job, but the thought patterns about not having a job were truly beneath her conscious awareness.

Taking 100% responsibility in a case like this might mean boldly looking at the unconscious negative thought patterns that have her saying ineffective things, holding her body with a posture of defeat, a hangdog look in her eye. If she were to watch another person doing all this, she would have no trouble seeing that the person is being run by habitual negative thoughts, but it takes something to notice your own.

That's why I have a problem with it. It's not humble. You "decide" that you are going to get the job, and damn the consequences. You hope the consequences won't be bad. You might even decide that the consequences aren't going to be bad. And because you get the job you decided to get, you probably naturally assume that your decision about the consequences will work too, that the consequences won't be bad. But that is a fallacy. Connection is not proof. Just because something works for one thing doesn't mean that it will work for another. This is especially true if there is a malevolent force making the initial decisions of I-M work.

Plus, you don't recognize whether or not you DESERVE the job. You don't own up to that. You use this tool to give you an advantage over someone else who might have deserved the job more.

Well, two things about this. First, if you have integrity, which I believe is an integral value of 100% responsibility, you are operating with a win/win intention -- not a "damn the consequences" intention! If you are operating with integrity (and hopefully a brain in your head), you would most likely look at the ecology involved in your choices: is this a choice that will work well for myself, for the people around me, for my community, for the planet? Is there any reason why it wouldn't be a good idea to pursue (or get) this job? Like that.

Secondly, worrying about being humble or deserving is for suckas.

If you can get hired, then you deserve to get hired*. If you do a terrible job, it will all pan out when you get fired or you quit. But employers don't choose employees based on who "deserves" it, usually. They choose the person who persuades them they'll provide the best value -- this is no time for humility.


*as much as anyone else does, anyway. and they deserve it as much as you do. I think the whole concept of "deserving" is kind of a dumb one.

[Dreams With Eyes Open]

I OPEN MY EYES and dream a dream :-)

You are all in IT!

( Only THOUGHT is real )


You do the same :-)

And whatever you BELIEVE is TRUE FOR YOU!

( YOU CHOOSE )


Do we not successfully dream different dreams while asleep?
Why then, can we not dream different dreams while awake?


Go to the SOURCE. It's literally MIND over MATTER. Isn't it :-)

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Dreams With Eyes Open

Do we not successfully dream different dreams while asleep?
Why then, can we not dream different dreams while awake?

Please, don't wake me up!

[Dreams With Eyes Open]

Alternatively, there is only ONE DREAM, and the strongest INTENTION / WILL / BELIEF / FAITH wins!

I think, while in physical form, I am more comfortable with this idea.
TODAY, that is. Who knows what I will think 10 minutes from now?

BUT ... does that then represent NEGATIVE COMPETITION, because somebody will lose?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by vader

6 billion dreamers dreaming 6 billion dreams......I just don't see how that could work on any level......unless there is a god and it's not me

One dreamer having one dream......seems alot simplier.

V

Ah, the sticking point. It does seem a lot simpler...from a human standpoint.

I think there is a god, and it is us, collectively. I don't believe our individual ego has all the power. It is like a leaf on a tree. The ego doesn't like to think it isn't the whole tree. It wants to feel in control, that is the nature of ego -- autonomy. And here I am talking about the ego in third person, like it is outside of me. Language plays some awful tricks on us, I'm afraid.

Ironically, it is the shedding of our ego which results in god-hood -- termed by some masters as enlightenment.

Think about it, isn't it our very conscious "self" which creates the perception that we are "in here" and reality is "out there". It is the ego that is demarcation between where we are, and WHO we are. Shed that, and you become coextensive with reality. Then it is just a matter of adjusting your self image at that point. The leaf must become the tree. And I'm starting to think the word "ego" is one of the most bastardized and misunderstood words in the English language.

But....you can prove me wrong in a second, by materializing a car out of thin air in front me.

I think that would do a good job of convincing me.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by vader

6 billion dreamers dreaming 6 billion dreams......I just don't see how that could work on any level......

Yes, it's about as ridiculous as the 50 to 75 trillion cells that comprise your one human body, working together harmoniously to keep it alive and operating.

But there you go.