My frame of mind does not define my reality.

[SmartAlx]

So I tried to plug in a USB cable in the back of my computer and ended up jiggling the thing in some bad way and I got a BSOD. Then the computer didn't seem to want to start back up. I messed around with it some, tried again. Still didn't work. Tried again. Still didn't work.

I knew, I positively knew that at this point in my life, where things just do not seem like they could get much worse, that I just fried my computer. I just knew it. I don't have the money to fix it, nor the time to look at it or to call a friend to help. I need the computer now, to get a job. I just lost the most important thing in my life. If I don't get a job within the next 2 weeks, then I'll end up on the street. So I really need my computer to get the job. So, considering the downward spiral my life is in, if I fried my computer, then that would be par for the course.

See my defeatest frame of mind here? Tell me that I'm not manifesting faillure.

Well, I turned the computer on again just to let it sit there and fry, completely expecting that after I woke up from my nap of depression the computer would still be fried. In my mind I was planning for the failure of my computer. Thinking how I might after a lot of work get an old one to work. Or possibly being able to do everything I need to do on my iPhone. I gave my computer up for dead. 5 minutes later, it was on, working perfectly, as if nothing happened.

My intention was towards failure. I REALLY thought my computer was fried. Yet it was not. Did Intention Manifestation / Law of Attraction have anything to do with that?

This sort of thing happens all the time. I realize that there is no hope, then somewhere out of the blue, hope springs. I get some temporary work. Or vice-versa. I think everything is going to be okay, then I get pulled over by a cop and I have to pay several hundreds of dollars worth of fines, when I am at my lowest financially, ever. There is absolutely no connection between my frame of mind and what manifests while I am in that frame of mind.

Am I an Anti-LoA person, or what?

[viking4525]

Nope you are experiencing The Process EXACTLY as you are creating.

You are (well your egoic little me) is eminating and vibrating limitations, no hope, "failure" etc, so The Process is working, the Universe/Infinite Intelligence is listening and going, okey dokey have some more.

The first step is inside of yourself, life will mirror what you present to it.

[SmartAlx]

Um.

But I didn't fail. I succeeded, despite my negative outlook. I'm typing this on the computer right now.

[Wax Frog]

Is it possible you deeply believe that life is unpredictable, chaotic, or random?

[pianoperformer]

Yeah I get this same thing. A similar case happened to me the other day, I mean where the outcome was totally unexpected. I don't know why it is.

[viking4525]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Um.

But I didn't fail. I succeeded, despite my negative outlook. I'm typing this on the computer right now.

Thats exactly my point. Your egoic mind says "failure" etc, but the "true" you desired success.

The only real issue is the internal debate inside all of us. And yes The Process worked for you, it always does.

[seirwyn]

maybe they are delayed manifestations. When you were thinking of hope, something bad happened which made you miserable. Then the results of your positive minset kicked in, even though you were feeling down, which made you have a positive mindset, then the results of your negative mindset came along etc etc.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

This sort of thing happens all the time. I realize that there is no hope, then somewhere out of the blue, hope springs. I get some temporary work. Or ?

Out of the blue? All the time? There you go! You have that belief system that things will work out - but just barely. Or there is always some pain in the ass process attached to success. Then it happens - all the time. Probabilistically that shouldn't happen all the time. That is very LOA sounding.

Don't confuse LOA with magic. It's the buildup of beliefs and such over TIME. You don't just get mad at your computer and destroy it with your mind. Actually in that case it sounds like you diffused the energy by feeling it and then began the detachment process by thinking of alternatives. So that bad energy wasn't much of an influence.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

So I tried to plug in a USB cable in the back of my computer and ended up jiggling the thing in some bad way and I got a BSOD. Then the computer didn't seem to want to start back up. I messed around with it some, tried again. Still didn't work. Tried again. Still didn't work.

I knew, I positively knew that at this point in my life, where things just do not seem like they could get much worse, that I just fried my computer. I just knew it. I don't have the money to fix it, nor the time to look at it or to call a friend to help. I need the computer now, to get a job. I just lost the most important thing in my life. If I don't get a job within the next 2 weeks, then I'll end up on the street. So I really need my computer to get the job. So, considering the downward spiral my life is in, if I fried my computer, then that would be par for the course.

See my defeatest frame of mind here? Tell me that I'm not manifesting faillure.

Well, I turned the computer on again just to let it sit there and fry, completely expecting that after I woke up from my nap of depression the computer would still be fried. In my mind I was planning for the failure of my computer. Thinking how I might after a lot of work get an old one to work. Or possibly being able to do everything I need to do on my iPhone. I gave my computer up for dead. 5 minutes later, it was on, working perfectly, as if nothing happened.

My intention was towards failure. I REALLY thought my computer was fried. Yet it was not. Did Intention Manifestation / Law of Attraction have anything to do with that?

This sort of thing happens all the time. I realize that there is no hope, then somewhere out of the blue, hope springs. I get some temporary work. Or vice-versa. I think everything is going to be okay, then I get pulled over by a cop and I have to pay several hundreds of dollars worth of fines, when I am at my lowest financially, ever. There is absolutely no connection between my frame of mind and what manifests while I am in that frame of mind.

Am I an Anti-LoA person, or what?

thought & belief are not the same thing. thoughts don't create but beliefs do.

[SmartAlx]

Did you really need to quote my entire post to tell me your beliefs about thought, belief and creation?

And I DID believe that my computer was messed up. Why would I plan to deal with a broken computer if I didn't believe it?

[magic1]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

So I tried to plug in a USB cable in the back of my computer and ended up jiggling the thing in some bad way and I got a BSOD. Then the computer didn't seem to want to start back up. I messed around with it some, tried again. Still didn't work. Tried again. Still didn't work.

I knew, I positively knew that at this point in my life, where things just do not seem like they could get much worse, that I just fried my computer. I just knew it. I don't have the money to fix it, nor the time to look at it or to call a friend to help. I need the computer now, to get a job. I just lost the most important thing in my life. If I don't get a job within the next 2 weeks, then I'll end up on the street. So I really need my computer to get the job. So, considering the downward spiral my life is in, if I fried my computer, then that would be par for the course.

See my defeatest frame of mind here? Tell me that I'm not manifesting faillure.

Well, I turned the computer on again just to let it sit there and fry, completely expecting that after I woke up from my nap of depression the computer would still be fried. In my mind I was planning for the failure of my computer. Thinking how I might after a lot of work get an old one to work. Or possibly being able to do everything I need to do on my iPhone. I gave my computer up for dead. 5 minutes later, it was on, working perfectly, as if nothing happened.

My intention was towards failure. I REALLY thought my computer was fried. Yet it was not. Did Intention Manifestation / Law of Attraction have anything to do with that?

This sort of thing happens all the time. I realize that there is no hope, then somewhere out of the blue, hope springs. I get some temporary work. Or vice-versa. I think everything is going to be okay, then I get pulled over by a cop and I have to pay several hundreds of dollars worth of fines, when I am at my lowest financially, ever. There is absolutely no connection between my frame of mind and what manifests while I am in that frame of mind.

Am I an Anti-LoA person, or what?

yes

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Am I an Anti-LoA person, or what?

No ... You currently have a limited appreciation of the vastness and complexity of your own consciousness, that is all.

The more you delve into your mind and the more you understand it, the more you will be able to see the correlations between its operations and your external reality.

Meanwhile, there are still lots of people who say: "I just thought of a pink elephant sitting in my living room .... Haa! Why is there no pink elephant sitting in my living room ... This proves that the LOA is fake."

THOSE are the people who have the least appreciation of the vastness and complexity of their own respective consciousnesses.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Did you really need to quote my entire post to tell me your beliefs about thought, belief and creation?

it would appear so.

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

And I DID believe that my computer was messed up. Why would I plan to deal with a broken computer if I didn't believe it?

the strongest held belief won out - which means although you believed for a short time your computer was messed up... you must also have held a dynamic belief like "everything will be ok" or "everything will work out fine"... or something similar - it overrode your temporary negative belief.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Am I an Anti-LoA person, or what?

Your problem stems from the false belief you are a person in the first place and as a person you create additional false creative structures like the LoA that try (and fail) to create reality.

So you end up with a frustrating approach that is prone to failure and misunderstanding.

You don't have to believe this, but if you test it fully, the false self and it's formula for creation are so inept at creation, it's understandable why people are so frustrated.

Works for me

Judge

[dazzle]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

I gave my computer up for dead. 5 minutes later, it was on, working perfectly, as if nothing happened.

You might think that you gave up all hope of your computer ever working again but what you really did is you gave up the struggle. What the depression nap did is allow you to withdraw your focus from it for a while and in doing that the Universe responded to what you've been signalling in your struggle which is 'I really want my computer to function'.

There is absolutely no connection between my frame of mind and what manifests while I am in that frame of mind.

The connection is there, you just haven't found it yet, after all the mind is very complex. Learn to be more aware of your emotions because they are the most clearest indication of whether you're attracting positively or negatively.

Am I an Anti-LoA person, or what?

No. You seem like a frustrated beginner much like I was when I first started. You could do a lot of reading on the Law of Attraction but true understanding comes from direct experience. To really appreciate your innate ability to create your reality you have to discard some old beliefs, especially the ones that do not serve you. The most effective way to get rid of old beliefs is by replacing them with beliefs that do serve you.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

THOSE are the people who have the least appreciation of the vastness and complexity of their own respective consciousnesses.

Not to mention a perverse obsession with pink elephants, orbiting teapots ( @ Cylon), etc.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

.... I gave my computer up for dead. 5 minutes later, it was on, working perfectly, as if nothing happened.

My intention was towards failure. I REALLY thought my computer was fried. Yet it was not. Did Intention Manifestation / Law of Attraction have anything to do with that?

This sort of thing happens all the time. I realize that there is no hope, then somewhere out of the blue, hope springs. I get some temporary work. Or vice-versa.

This is acceptance. When things are going "badly" and you accept what is, then the Universe doesn't have to "teach" that lesson to you any longer.

The reverse field, where you have just accepted that life is going to go well, and then you get a traffic ticket, is another reminder to accept whatever is coming.

There is an old story about a monk who wins a Mercedes. Everyone tells him how lucky he is, and he just says, "Maybe." Then a truck runs a stop light and hits him broadside, destroying his car and breaking his arm in several places. WHen he's in the hospital, everyone says, "Bad luck." His response is, "Maybe." Then while he's in the hospital, there is a great flood, and the mud slides destroy and bury his house. Everyone says, "What great fortune that you were in the hospital rather than at home!" He answers, "Maybe."

[magic1]

Originally Posted by Judge

Your problem stems from the false belief you are a person in the first place and as a person you create additional false creative structures like the LoA that try (and fail) to create reality.

So you end up with a frustrating approach that is prone to failure and misunderstanding.

You don't have to believe this, but if you test it fully, the false self and it's formula for creation are so inept at creation, it's understandable why people are so frustrated.

Works for me

Judge

you can create reality, but its just not done in ego....that's where the failings are....

[Jack]

You are describing what you believe.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by dazzle

You might think that you gave up all hope of your computer ever working again but what you really did is you gave up the struggle. What the depression nap did is allow you to withdraw your focus from it for a while and in doing that the Universe responded to what you've been signalling in your struggle which is 'I really want my computer to function'.

How can that be when I did NOT take the nap? It got working before I went to take the nap. So I didn't feel the need to take the nap anymore. If one believes in this stuff, they would say that the universe fixed my computer BEFORE I took the nap.

[dazzle]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

How can that be when I did NOT take the nap? It got working before I went to take the nap. So I didn't feel the need to take the nap anymore.

Oops... that was some confusion on my part. The point I was making is that you gave up your computer for dead and in that moment that release of struggle allowed the Universe to yield to you what you wanted.

You said your intention was towards failure but no one ever deliberately intends failure - expecting failure is something people do out of habit. In your case I'm sure the resolving factor was your surrender to trying to fix the problem.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by dazzle

Oops... that was some confusion on my part. The point I was making is that you gave up your computer for dead and in that moment that release of struggle allowed the Universe to yield to you what you wanted.

You said your intention was towards failure but no one ever deliberately intends failure - expecting failure is something people do out of habit. In your case I'm sure the resolving factor was your surrender to trying to fix the problem.

So when I give up, the universe will give me what I need. Well, how do you give up and keep from becoming a bum? Seems like that is a fine line for all LoA practitioners.

Here's an example. I am in desperate need of a job. It's been well over a year. There have been times in which I've been desperate, and other times in which I was not desperate. Times that I tried desperately to find a job, and other times in which I gave up. Still not employed. Right now, I have to have a job. ASAP. Seriously. Big time. Now. I give up, I'll wind up on the street. If you tell me to give up, and I do, and I wind up on the street, YOU basically put me there. (Yeah yeah. Personal responsibility and all of that crap. Whatever.)

My point is that usually you can not give up. You can't surrender. You can't release the struggle. You can not admit defeat. When you surrender your king, you lose.

How does the LoA practitioner keep from being a bum if the trigger for Intention/Manifestation is to surrender your king?

[cylon]

SmartAlx, you have no grasp of the LOA or how it works. I wonder what your motivation here is, other than going out of your way to insult people who do have a grasp of what it is. If working at getting a job ASAP is so important to you, then here's some advice: get off the internet.

"I give up, I'll wind up on the street. If you tell me to give up, and I do, and I wind up on the street, YOU basically put me there. (Yeah yeah. Personal responsibility and all of that crap. Whatever.)"

That is one of the most juvenile and victim-oriented posts I have ever read on this forum. You aren't even close to being ready to use something like LOA. Why don't you start with some "personal responsibility" then see how you do with the basics, before moving up into the big leagues.

Now, onto a clarification because you have applied your own preconceptions to the term "giving up".

It's giving up the struggle. Anyone who has any experience with LOA knows that pushing against something is a surefire way to make sure it gets even stronger. In LOA terms, your NEED for something, ASAP, is pushing that thing away from you. Once you accept that it's not there, a door will be opened up for you. But it can only come in when you have cleared a space for it. Right now that space is full of "it's not here, it's not here" therefore what you think you want, has no place to rest and make itself apparent to you.

However where you are right now with your attitude, and what you are hoping to achieve in life, they absolutely do not go together. You cannot get there from where you are now.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by cylon

You aren't even close to being ready to use something like LOA. Why don't you start with some "personal responsibility" then see how you do with the basics, before moving up into the big leagues.

You don't have to worry about that. I'm not ever going to use LoA. I've not made it a secret that I think that Intention/Manifestation is an instrument of the devil and it will end up destroying society one day.

Now, onto a clarification because you have applied your own preconceptions to the term "giving up".

It's giving up the struggle

How do you give up the struggle without sitting on your butt? This is the cruxt of my post. If you reply to one thing, reply to that. And I'd also like to have some input from someone who is a bit more diplomatic, and someone more open to both sides too, no offense intended to you Cylon.

Anyone who has any experience with LOA knows that pushing against something is a surefire way to make sure it gets even stronger.

If I push on a tree, it's not going to get stronger. After awhile I might get weaker but the tree is not going to get stronger. I guess that's why you have to have experience with LoA to "know" it.

In LOA terms, your NEED for something, ASAP, is pushing that thing away from you. Once you accept that it's not there,

Dude, I know the job isn't there. If I didn't I wouldn't be looking for a job. I would be waking up at 6:00 am every day, get ready for the day, and run out the door to some miscellaneous office building so they can tell me that I don't work there.

a door will be opened up for you.

So you are saying that EVERY single person that loses a job will never find one until he gives up the "struggle." That is pretty black and white.*

But it can only come in when you have cleared a space for it. Right now that space is full of "it's not here, it's not here" therefore what you think you want, has no place to rest and make itself apparent to you.

You sure do like putting words in my mouth.

However where you are right now with your attitude, and what you are hoping to achieve in life, they absolutely do not go together. You cannot get there from where you are now.

What's wrong with trying?

*And telling everyone that LoA is universal even if they don't believe in it gives one clue as to why I think of it as a religion. You are pushing your beliefs on someone else. Just as I am pushing my beliefs onto someone else by thinking that they are going to hell if they don't believe in God.

[cylon]

Do you realize how foolish it is posting about your personal problems in the context of a belief system you think is evil? You realize there are other parts of this forum. Perhaps Personal Effectiveness would be more up your alley. But then you'd miss out on taking out your inner rage on people who believe in something differently than you.

If I were you I'd take a major inventory of how I am spending my time, and why.

[magic1]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

So when I give up, the universe will give me what I need. Well, how do you give up and keep from becoming a bum? Seems like that is a fine line for all LoA practitioners.

Here's an example. I am in desperate need of a job. It's been well over a year. There have been times in which I've been desperate, and other times in which I was not desperate. Times that I tried desperately to find a job, and other times in which I gave up. Still not employed. Right now, I have to have a job. ASAP. Seriously. Big time. Now. I give up, I'll wind up on the street. If you tell me to give up, and I do, and I wind up on the street, YOU basically put me there. (Yeah yeah. Personal responsibility and all of that crap. Whatever.)

My point is that usually you can not give up. You can't surrender. You can't release the struggle. You can not admit defeat. When you surrender your king, you lose.

How does the LoA practitioner keep from being a bum if the trigger for Intention/Manifestation is to surrender your king?

I read a few lines of your posts and you are full of something not conducive to something...anger, smartness, a wee bit rude to pple who post, I personally wouldn't hire someone with your energy.....loosen up, like people, be open to others, show kindess, expect the best, know your deserving and then try for a job...drop the fight

[cylon]

That self-hating ego stuff is poisonous. It's amazing people choose to remain addicted to its ups and downs. But.... I've been there before so I know what it's like to just want to lash out. Maturity is moving beyond that.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by cylon

Do you realize how foolish it is posting about your personal problems in the context of a belief system you think is evil? You realize there are other parts of this forum.

I'm not posting for advice. I'm posting for a philosophical discussion. I'm only using my own experience as an example because I guess I'm not creative enough to come up with better ones. Do you really think that I needed advice for my computer that wasn't really broken?

I visit because I want to see how you all respond to my thoughts on the Law of Attraction and Intention/Manifestation.

And I'm not angry at any of you.

If I were you I'd take a major inventory of how I am spending my time, and why.

Thank you for the advice. I don't spend much time on this board at all. Maybe 20 minutes on a "bad" day. Really I rarely visit. I realized that this website was really affecting me on a negative level about a year ago, shortly after I found it. It came to me that this place is caustic to my otherwise positive nature, and it was eating up my time pretty quick. So I pretty much stay away, but every now and again I come up with something that I think hits the point home. Clearly my perception of a home run is different from all of yours.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by magic1

I read a few lines of your posts and you are full of something not conducive to something...anger, smartness, a wee bit rude to pple who post, I personally wouldn't hire someone with your energy.....loosen up, like people, be open to others, show kindess, expect the best, know your deserving and then try for a job...drop the fight

Thanks for the advice. I'll work on it. Although I'm not that way in person.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by cylon

That self-hating ego stuff is poisonous. It's amazing people choose to remain addicted to its ups and downs. But.... I've been there before so I know what it's like to just want to lash out. Maturity is moving beyond that.

Is this not lashing out Cylon?

Originally Posted by cylon

That is one of the most juvenile and victim-oriented posts I have ever read on this forum.

I think the pot needs to look in the mirror for a bit.