Where are we, really?

[Strem2]

I just saw a series of videos by Dr. Bruce Lipton, called Fractal Evolution. This is not brand new, but the idea is timely. His conclusion is that for the survival of the planet, we all need to accept that we are part of a multi-celled organism known as .... Well, in his words,

When we come together to make a wholeness, then humanity will complete the evolution of the earth. The earth will then, with a voice of unity, be able to speak with other Ones.

In the meantime, he throws out the result of his cellular studies, that we, our identity, is totally in the "self receptor" antenna on the surface of each of our cells. Those antenna are the items that make a cell rejected if inserted into another human. Those antenna are the items that carry a person's preferences into a host when a heart or other organ is transplanted. I had heard that some people had changed their food preferences, and others had begun or stopped smoking. He told a story about one recipient who led the police to the murderer of her donor!

Then, having made his point that these tiny, tiny antenna seem able to carry our identity, "US" from one body to another, he suggests that "WE", "I" am not here at all. I (you too,) am a telecast. I am energy and the receptors are tuned to my channel....

Whoo, hoo. Can you wrap your mind around that?

<em>A Course in Miracles</em> says that we never separated from God.... Dr. Lipton seems to be explaining how this works....

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Strem2

I am energy and the receptors are tuned to my channel....

Whoo, hoo. Can you wrap your mind around that?

I've hoped/suspected that to be the case for some time

[Pyper900]

Originally Posted by Strem2

I just saw a series of videos by Dr. Bruce Lipton, called Fractal Evolution. This is not brand new, but the idea is timely. His conclusion is that for the survival of the planet, we all need to accept that we are part of a multi-celled organism known as .... Well, in his words,

In the meantime, he throws out the result of his cellular studies, that we, our identity, is totally in the "self receptor" antenna on the surface of each of our cells. Those antenna are the items that make a cell rejected if inserted into another human. Those antenna are the items that carry a person's preferences into a host when a heart or other organ is transplanted. I had heard that some people had changed their food preferences, and others had begun or stopped smoking. He told a story about one recipient who led the police to the murderer of her donor!

Then, having made his point that these tiny, tiny antenna seem able to carry our identity, "US" from one body to another, he suggests that "WE", "I" am not here at all. I (you too,) am a telecast. I am energy and the receptors are tuned to my channel....

Whoo, hoo. Can you wrap your mind around that?

<em>A Course in Miracles</em> says that we never separated from God.... Dr. Lipton seems to be explaining how this works....

I recently read another of his books, The Biology of Belief. It was interesting, though I've not had much success in finding reviews of his work in mainstream science. Is what he's saying all a bunch of huey, or is he on the mark?

It makes sense to me, a lay man, but then so does the Matrix.

This idea of energetic conncetion between cells isn't new either, in fact it isn't particularly radical. String theory tries to put math to that idea, though doesn't really acheive the goal in my mind.

Having said all that, I do find the idea that our conciousness, or the "I" in me, is the collective awareness of my cellular community, and that we each are mini worlds unto ourselves. Small scale experiements of the idea you cite above, if you will.

[Chillax]

Originally Posted by Strem2

I just saw a series of videos by Dr. Bruce Lipton, called Fractal Evolution. This is not brand new, but the idea is timely. His conclusion is that for the survival of the planet, we all need to accept that we are part of a multi-celled organism known as .... Well, in his words,

In the meantime, he throws out the result of his cellular studies, that we, our identity, is totally in the "self receptor" antenna on the surface of each of our cells. Those antenna are the items that make a cell rejected if inserted into another human. Those antenna are the items that carry a person's preferences into a host when a heart or other organ is transplanted. I had heard that some people had changed their food preferences, and others had begun or stopped smoking. He told a story about one recipient who led the police to the murderer of her donor!

Then, having made his point that these tiny, tiny antenna seem able to carry our identity, "US" from one body to another, he suggests that "WE", "I" am not here at all. I (you too,) am a telecast. I am energy and the receptors are tuned to my channel....

Whoo, hoo. Can you wrap your mind around that?

<em>A Course in Miracles</em> says that we never separated from God.... Dr. Lipton seems to be explaining how this works....

Here's a little something that might support those claims.

"During experiments conducted in 1962 at the University of Michigan, scientists successfully extracted memory from one animal and transferred it to another. The experiment was conducted in the following manner. Over a period of time planarian worms were trained to behave in a particular way when exposed to light. These worms were then cut into pieces and fed to untrained planarians, and the untrained worms were put through the same learning paces as their predecessors. The second batch of worms, those that had dined on the first, learned many times faster than the originals, indicating that knowledge had somehow been transferred through body tissue. Similar experiments were later conducted at Baylor University: mice were trained to run through a maze, and an extract was then made of their brains. This extract was fed to untrained mice, which then learned the same maze twice as fast as their predecessors. If placed in a different maze, the untrained mice showed no particular aptitude for learning the layout. The implication of these experiments is that memory can be transferred from one being to another somatically as well as experientially."
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- when mice eat each other's brains they get some of their memory too!

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[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Pyper900

I recently read another of his books, The Biology of Belief. It was interesting, though I've not had much success in finding reviews of his work in mainstream science. Is what he's saying all a bunch of huey, or is he on the mark?

I was aware that he taught medical students, but here's a little bit of biography. I would think that his work with tissue transplantation explains his familiarity with "self receptors."

Dr. Lipton began his scientific career as a cell biologist. He received his Ph.D. Degree from the University of Virginia at Charlottesville before joining the Department of Anatomy at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine in 1973. Dr. Lipton’s research on muscular dystrophy, studies employing cloned human stem cells, focused upon the molecular mechanisms controlling cell behavior. An experimental tissue transplantation technique developed by Dr. Lipton and colleague Dr. Ed Schultz and published in the journal Science was subsequently employed as a novel form of human genetic engineering.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I've hoped/suspected that to be the case for some time

You're way ahead of me, my waxy friend. I was just getting the hang of Steve's ideas about Subjective Reality....

Or, perhaps I intended someone to be on my "wavelength"....

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Strem2

You're way ahead of me, my waxy friend. I was just getting the hang of Steve's ideas about Subjective Reality....

Or, perhaps I intended someone to be on my "wavelength"....

I've been reading various and sundry "woo-woo" books and articles, and done a good bit of reflection, since well before I found the Pavlina board. My brain's already well scrambled, so I'm now in the toast and bacon phase

And yes, I do love a good bad pun...

[Strem2]

It shows....

You are one of my teachers.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Strem2

You are one of my teachers.

"Please don't feed the egos!"

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

"Please don't feed the egos!"

That was a good catch.... Oops.... But, your real self is still untouched....

I have a story about egos.... A colleague works with veterans. Those who were in combat, as you can imagine, spent most of their time in fear. This fed the ego big time and allowed it to take control. Then they come home and suffer from PTSD and flashbacks. I think this is the ultimate control exercised by the ego.

And, when they are feeling good, proud of something, they feel better, but it's still the ego in control, it just feels better.

She struggles to keep her guys in the moment.... What else can you do?

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Strem2

That was a good catch.... Oops.... But, your real self is still untouched....

I figure we're all each others teachers anyway, no need to imply any pedestals

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I figure we're all each others teachers anyway, no need to imply any pedestals

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Strem2

I have a story about egos.... A colleague works with veterans. Those who were in combat, as you can imagine, spent most of their time in fear. This fed the ego big time and allowed it to take control. Then they come home and suffer from PTSD and flashbacks. I think this is the ultimate control exercised by the ego.

I've thought PTSD is a conditioned response to constant threat. The brain learns to be in fight or flight mode and gets stuck there. It's a more instinctual mode and it keeps them alive in the war zones. I didn't think it's their ego. I suspect they are not thinking about how to look better or what they want - they are pushed into survival mode thinking. I think.

And, when they are feeling good, proud of something, they feel better, but it's still the ego in control, it just feels better.

Sense of self can be great for getting out of survival mode. It doesn't have to come with ego attachments. I suspect their sense of self is shattered with PTSD. They don't really know what they are doing.

She struggles to keep her guys in the moment.... What else can you do?

I would guess that is what does it. The moment. Being able to realize there isn't an ongoing threat.

And isn't it what everyone has to a much much lesser degree? We all run some sort of fears that keeps us out of our awareness.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I've thought PTSD is a conditioned response to constant threat. The brain learns to be in fight or flight mode and gets stuck there. It's a more instinctual mode and it keeps them alive in the war zones. I didn't think it's their ego. I suspect they are not thinking about how to look better or what they want - they are pushed into survival mode thinking. I think.

Sense of self can be great for getting out of survival mode. It doesn't have to come with ego attachments. I suspect their sense of self is shattered with PTSD. They don't really know what they are doing.

I would guess that is what does it. The moment. Being able to realize there isn't an ongoing threat.

And isn't it what everyone has to a much much lesser degree? We all run some sort of fears that keeps us out of our awareness.

Hi Wolfgang,
The ego I am speaking of here is the ego as discussed by Eckhart Tolle and A Course in Miracles. This is the ego that wants to kill you, not the ego that gives you a sense of self.

And, as you say, there is a shattering with PTSD. It's a shattering of any sense you had of the world being predictable or safe.

I think of the ego being what keeps us in this physical world of time/space, and the "true self" as our spiritual, higher self that is capable of manifesting with Source. The true self is capable of love, and the ego is not. The ego is more like a radar detector, warning us of things to watch out for.

As the Judge used to say, words are difficult....

[NexusOfCompletion]

Look up Phenomenon Of Man by Tielhard De Chardin.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Strem2

Hi Wolfgang,
The ego I am speaking of here is the ego as discussed by Eckhart Tolle and A Course in Miracles. This is the ego that wants to kill you, not the ego that gives you a sense of self.

I thought Tolle and ACIM both would consider the sense of self as the ego. I don't get the "ego that wants to kill you". The self is the ego and that is our identity. Tolle writes about not being attached to this ego (or sense of self). It's been a while I've done an ACIM but I thought they had similar ideas. Who cares? It's just definitions.

I think of the ego being what keeps us in this physical world of time/space, and the "true self" as our spiritual, higher self that is capable of manifesting with Source. The true self is capable of love, and the ego is not. The ego is more like a radar detector, warning us of things to watch out for.

Each self is another possible ego identified self. The concept of a soul is another reaction of the human to want to carry on with an identity. It's a fear based belief that our uniqueness is temporary. this is something Tolle write about too - about how everything changes, even the sun will die - so we should be resting any of our sense of peace on impermanent things. Which I argue against that sometimes too. Yeah, the sun will die - but not while I'm here.

Of coarse it's supposed to be all illusion anyway. Still it is a persistent illusion to have a self, to have an ego. I guess if I ever get the illusion of it, it will still be there but I won't have to carry my identity around.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

It's a fear based belief that our uniqueness is temporary. this is something Tolle write about too - about how everything changes, even the sun will die - so we should be resting any of our sense of peace on impermanent things....Of coarse it's supposed to be all illusion anyway. Still it is a persistent illusion to have a self, to have an ego.

A Course in Miracles is warning us about the false beliefs perpetrated by the ego that we are separate from God. If ACIM is right, that the idea of separateness is false, then, we must not be separated from God.... We must, logically, still be connected to God/Source/Universe/Creator/the One. That is, if ACIM is right.

This post was begun with the idea of Dr. Bruce Lipton, molecular biologist, that our physical identities are contained in these little tiny antennae on each cell wall. If these antennae are taken off, the cell can be implanted in any other creature, human or not, and the cell will be accepted. Along those same lines, if our antennae are implanted in another cell, that cell will become one of us and be accepted by our body. Our cells carry our preferences and addictions, as has been well documented by donor recipients.

He then makes a leap and posits that if our identity is in each cell's antennae, that we are not "in" our bodies, but outside somewhere "projecting" to them..... My original question, was, where are we projecting from?

You see then, that our uniqueness is not temporary at all. Our separateness is a projection. What we think of as our body is a remote controlled biological machine. Hindu beliefs are that we will live longer as we get closer to the source of energy at the center of the Milky Way....

-- And this is true of every living organism. The flower also is attuned to an energy from outside itself. Gerald O'Donnell suggests that if we attune ourselves to a flower, we will raise our vibratory rate to one that will allow us to access higher beings.

I say this, because, I'm not sure that Tolle meant that we should connect with impermanent things, but instead with the permanent energy that sustains them.... Each moment is alive. Everything in your environment, right now, is pulsing with vibratory light energy. This energy is all connected to a Source of energy.

This is how the separateness is illusion. We are connected energetically to all things and to each other and to the Source at the center of the Milky Way.

The idea of egoic separateness held me in a trance too, until I watched Dr. Lipton's videos....

I apologize for the length of this response. But, I feel that this is the key to successful manifestations....