Judge's theories

[Student of Life]

Hi Judge, I'm always fascinated at your posts, they seem to be really deep and inspiring. My problem is I find it hard to relate those with practical reality. If you dont mind, and I think it would be beneficial for many other members as well, can you please give one or two examples on how you personally use LOA with those theories.

For example, you said that thought doesnt create, and everything around us is created by us with no effort. It's true when we talk about the sunshine and the growing trees, but what about if we want/need something in particular?

For discussion sake, let's assume I want to attract $10,000. (You may use other example). Based on what I understand from your posts, once I desire to have that, it's already my ego talking, because I want the money for my own pleasure. And if I'm not supposed to THINK about it, how will the universe (or myself as the creator) know what I want to have? I dont think of sunshine and yes I have it everyday, but so far I dont think of $10,000 and I never have it

So if you can tell us please with your own real example(s), what's the right thing to do (practically) when we want something. I gather that you dont particularly agree with visualization and other methods that other people normally suggest regarding LOA. I dont understand how blank mind will get me what I intend (I may misunderstand what you meant). Isn't attracting a cup of coffee is also ego driven (as I want the pleasure to have a nice hot cup of coffee)?

Thanks heaps, Judge

[drama07]

The fact you "want" $10,000 is enough for the universe to give you "lack".

From my experience, I stick to the present, the now. I'm beginning to be more aware & dont think quite often as I used to. I leave my present moment the way it is and just perceive it, without thinking.

What I find is, im more joyful & in peace.

[jaideepv1234]

to students life.....yes yes...thats what i m also thinking .....just waiting to see what judge has to say on this......

[Student of Life]

yes you may be at peace but you still dont have the money. Question is how to bring the money into our lives? Some members posted how they got money out of thin air but they VISUALIZED it and THOUGHT HARD about it.

[Acting Like Godot]

Why do you want $10,000? For example, are you interested in seeing whether the LOA works? Or do you want more money to put in your bank account? Or is there something you specifically wish to buy or pay for?

[cylon]

I want a lifetime of free-flowing abundance, meeting all my needs as they arise, always knowing there's more than enough, all is well, everything's taken care of, and that life is meant to enjoy and explore and experience, and that life gives me all I need when I need it to have those experiences.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by Student of Life

For example, you said that thought doesnt create, and everything around us is created by us with no effort. It's true when we talk about the sunshine and the growing trees, but what about if we want/need something in particular?

It's not that I'm right and other's are wrong. I have a friend who is a complete religious zealot and his belief system supports the way he believes things manifest in his reality.

He thinks I'm deluded and I think he's deluded

The point is not to apply someone else's manifestation belief system on top of your existing reality system.

For 20+ years I have studied, applied and used the LoA and IM and I have to say that while the premise has merit, there are some really tough unanswered questions that don't have a lot of logical and practical answers.

The Law of Attraction
The last paragraph sums up everything

Thankfully I find these answers work perfectly for me and solve all the issues I have with reality and the LoA.

On a personal practical level, SR and PoN are on the same page and when I apply the shared premise, life seems to be very supportive. I always get what I know is right and what is required.

Money comes when required, love, health and everything hums along nicely.

Is my human existance perfect?

Of course not, but the more I allow myself to create, the less I have to do.

It's very liberating and of course alien and dreaded by my ego my ego loves nothing better than to claim creatorship and naturally I deny how it works and jump in and assume control.........that never ends well

I suppose if I had to sum up everything I have learned, applied and that works for me I would say.........

Responsibility

Everyone wants god powers........but nobody wants to be god.

Judge

[jaideepv1234]

very well said judge......

[aphorist]

Originally Posted by Judge

I suppose if I had to sum up everything I have learned, applied and that works for me I would say.........

Responsibility

Everyone wants god powers........but nobody wants to be god.

Judge

Maybe I just haven't gotten past all of my blocks yet, but it seems like to be God means to be in control of others as well as one's self. In this case, I still can't wrap my head around how LoA or any belief system can give me full responsibility for other people. Yes, it can give me full control of what I perceive and manifest into my own reality, but can I really manifest a world in which there is peace and no war?

I guess part of the problem is I'm thinking about this on a linear time scale. I guess I could also change my thinking about peace and war and that they're both natural occurrences (but this isn't taking responsibility, it's accepting what is). To me, taking responsibility for something perceived as bad/wrong means you realize your duty to correct that, and I don't quite see how one part of consciousness can fully change the whole being.

[SuavePlaya]

Why do you people always answer questions with questions. It's obvious the dude wants 10k, he didn't say he wants peace and enlightment. The question why he wants 10k is not important. It's not like he is asking you guys for 10k personal it's really none of your business what he wants to do with the money. I find it hard to believe that student of life created the sun and the moon with ease in his life, but he has a hard time creating 10k to his life. I don't know the value of the sun or moon, but if I were to put a pricetag on it it would be way more than 10k.

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by Judge

It's not that I'm right and other's are wrong. I have a friend who is a complete religious zealot and his belief system supports the way he believes things manifest in his reality.

He thinks I'm deluded and I think he's deluded

The point is not to apply someone else's manifestation belief system on top of your existing reality system.

For 20+ years I have studied, applied and used the LoA and IM and I have to say that while the premise has merit, there are some really tough unanswered questions that don't have a lot of logical and practical answers.

The Law of Attraction
The last paragraph sums up everything

Thankfully I find these answers work perfectly for me and solve all the issues I have with reality and the LoA.

On a personal practical level, SR and PoN are on the same page and when I apply the shared premise, life seems to be very supportive. I always get what I know is right and what is required.

Money comes when required, love, health and everything hums along nicely.

Is my human existance perfect?

Of course not, but the more I allow myself to create, the less I have to do.

It's very liberating and of course alien and dreaded by my ego my ego loves nothing better than to claim creatorship and naturally I deny how it works and jump in and assume control.........that never ends well

I suppose if I had to sum up everything I have learned, applied and that works for me I would say.........

Responsibility

Everyone wants god powers........but nobody wants to be god.

Judge

so basically, you're saying that doesn't really matter what theory/system/method I use, it just has to be aligned with what I believe?

If I believe in the "realistic" mindset, I'll never be able to use LoA to manifest?

[aphorist]

Originally Posted by MacFly

so basically, you're saying that doesn't really matter what theory/system/method I use, it just has to be aligned with what I believe?

If I believe in the "realistic" mindset, I'll never be able to use LoA to manifest?

You should read Steve's 11:11 article. It'll help you get to the bottom of this. Nothing can happen to you that will "break" your reality. If you believe something can not happen, it can not happen. If you 100% know that LoA doesn't exist and can't manifest, nothing will manifest for you.

Though, once you accept a small part of something, it can start to show you glimpses so it doesn't break your reality. It can continue this way until your whole reality has changed. Trying to impose a totally foreign theory onto yourself won't work because there are no connections for you. This is all based in the idea Subjective Reality. What you see is what you get.

[magic1]

i agree with that....once you break reality...and it is very hard to explain how you do this..I think a really good one, is to fake it till you make it...so fake seeing and think this is LOA...or look for signs, or ways the universe may be talking with you...anyhow, once you break through and the more your mind expands....sync's go up! so you really start to tune in...

I always say LOA is not in a book, you have to see it in your life, but ultimately it is your mind you have to break through........I can feel it as I write this post, but its very hard to articulate....

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by magic1

i agree with that....once you break reality...and it is very hard to explain how you do this..I think a really good one, is to fake it till you make it...

you mean "fooling" myself as much as I can till it happens?

and my other question'd be, what you think is the best method to become aware of my beliefs?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Student of Life

For discussion sake, let's assume I want to attract $10,000.

Here is the deal, and it goes for anything you may "Want" or "Need".

If I want to attract $10,000 - what am i really believing? First off I'd have to believe I do not HAVE $10,000. I cannot want or need something that is already part of my experience.

I can hear you now saying... but I don't have $10,000....... so how do I obtain something without first knowing I don't have it. Well, I say to you that you would have the $10,000 if you didn't KNOW that you didn't have it. see?

If I smoke and I say "I really really want to quit smoking", that is my ego making belief statements, the first belief is that "I'm a smoker" and the second is "I'm ashamed of what I believe I am" or "I'm unhappy with what I believe I am" so I want to change. But it is a choice, I am choosing to believe that "I AM a smoker (or fill in the blank)", and when I choose to believe that then I am refusing to invest belief in "I am a nonsmoker".

Getting back to the $10,000 - same thing, you must choose to have the $10,000, wanting is the choice not to have.

[edith]

I've had a similar thought in mind to the OP's. Basically, it's how are you supposed to attract something if you're not supposed to think about it?

Steve's explanation of LoA is that you spend several minutes a day focusing on the thing you want, imagining yourself with it, etc. But that seems at odds with operating out of the ego-less place.

Yet we seem to manifest out of that ego-less place anyway.

How would you reconcile these conflicting ideas?

[drama07]

I won $12,000 today. Why?

Could it be im aligned with the present moment.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by drama07

I won $12,000 today. Why?

Could it be im aligned with the present moment.

you won $12,000, excellent!

[drama07]

Originally Posted by torilink

you won $12,000, excellent!

I know huh.

It's weird. I never really receive money. I dont have a job, so no income. I did worry a lot about not having money.

Its funny. After many Judge posts and then being drawn to tolle books, I realized 'wanting' money is just ego and knew that if I were rich I wouldn't be happy.

All I do is be friends with the moment. All I do is be aware of everything with no thought. It's a wonderful feeling and it's furthering my motivation to continue being concious of the moment.

I guess since I had no self concern over money to block, the unmanifested, manifested

But of course... skeptics would say it was just a random event. A coincidence to say the least. However, I believe it was more than just a coincidence.

[pc99]

Originally Posted by SuavePlaya

Why do you people always answer questions with questions. It's obvious the dude wants 10k, he didn't say he wants peace and enlightment. The question why he wants 10k is not important. It's not like he is asking you guys for 10k personal it's really none of your business what he wants to do with the money. I find it hard to believe that student of life created the sun and the moon with ease in his life, but he has a hard time creating 10k to his life. I don't know the value of the sun or moon, but if I were to put a pricetag on it it would be way more than 10k.

Actually, if you were to read his initial post I don’t think it’s obvious he wants $10,000. After all, he did premise it with “for discussion sake, let’s assume I want to attract $10,000”.

I gathered from his post that he was trying to figure out a way to manifest that works for him.

This is where practice practice & more practice come into play. There are as many different methods of manifesting as there are people on this board. I think a common thread is to get clear on what you want. So if he indeed wants $10,000 – does he just want it so he maintains a bank balance in a Plus Savings account where he gets a higher interest and doesn’t have to pay bank fees? Or, does he want $10,000 to purchase something… pay off debt… student tuitions… etc. People often convolute their true intentions by trying to figure out the easiest answer. Hence, sometimes questions are relevant to help one become clear & focused. It is much easier to create in clarity.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by drama07

I won $12,000 today. Why?

Could it be im aligned with the present moment.

Sweet!

[NexusOfCompletion]

Originally Posted by aphorist

Maybe I just haven't gotten past all of my blocks yet, but it seems like to be God means to be in control of others as well as one's self. In this case, I still can't wrap my head around how LoA or any belief system can give me full responsibility for other people. Yes, it can give me full control of what I perceive and manifest into my own reality, but can I really manifest a world in which there is peace and no war?

I guess part of the problem is I'm thinking about this on a linear time scale. I guess I could also change my thinking about peace and war and that they're both natural occurrences (but this isn't taking responsibility, it's accepting what is). To me, taking responsibility for something perceived as bad/wrong means you realize your duty to correct that, and I don't quite see how one part of consciousness can fully change the whole being.

To be God means to take responsibility for your reality. You are AWARENESS. There are no blockages besides you telling yourself there are blockages. There is no becoming, ALL IS.

[Student of Life]

I think I confused some of you with what I'm actually asking in my original post. No, I dont particularly want 10k right now for anything specific. Fact is, I dont live below the poverty line, but I'm also not at all rich so I dont struggle to pay my monthly bills but I dont have that much to get whatever I want.

If we look at Acting like Godot's experiences how he attracted money so many times out of thin air... we dont need to know what he's using the money for, but whatever that is, it will add value to his life and his family's, friends' etc. That's the kind of think I want to know. ALG meditates and think hard about attracting those money, obviously he wanted to get those money, and he got it. That contradicts with the theory that once you WANT money, you attracting LACK of it.

Also if you think nothing, just observe the moment, what will happen? money starts flowing to you, hot men/women come crawling to you, and if you're jobless suddenly you will get offer of a job that pays you 500k? All happens without you THINKING about them? I really have hard time understanding that. I'm talking about those miracles that excites you not just peace and joy because I have air to breathe and water to drink.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Student of Life

That contradicts with the theory that once you WANT money, you attracting LACK of it.

I don't know but would wager that ALG doesn't feel want or need for anything. I suspect he desires certain experiences and believes they will happen.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by edith

I've had a similar thought in mind to the OP's. Basically, it's how are you supposed to attract something if you're not supposed to think about it?

Steve's explanation of LoA is that you spend several minutes a day focusing on the thing you want, imagining yourself with it, etc. But that seems at odds with operating out of the ego-less place.

Yet we seem to manifest out of that ego-less place anyway.

How would you reconcile these conflicting ideas?

What does the attracting is your complete vibe, which includes your subconscious mind. It is programmed by your awareness, that part of your mind that seems to have volition. This volition is your ego in a way. So somehow the ego has to train the subconscious to generate the vibe of your fleeting mind's desires.

So the exercise in focusing is the ego talking to your subconscious mind, hopefully to install new processes or visions that do the attracting/manifesting out of the ego-less place. Once your subconscious mind is set up, the desire comes about, with allowing, not using the ego.

At least that's what I gather. The exercises are to talk to your subconscious mind to get it going where you decide to go. If you tell your subconscious mind to imagine 10k - what happens really? How does your subconscious respond or react or listen? If enough gets installed, you may get ideas or hunches that are new connections gathering your desires into manifestation. perhaps, that's how to reconcile those ideas.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Student of Life

ALG meditates and think hard about attracting those money, obviously he wanted to get those money, and he got it. That contradicts with the theory that once you WANT money, you attracting LACK of it.

The meditating and thinking is not what does the attracting. That is the intentional part of desire. The active thoughts about what you what are what the subconscious mind will use to program it self - that subconscious mind actually does the attracting. That attracting is also mundane things that make you motivated in your chosen direction. I think it might be something like that. The part about not using the ego is probably to say watch out how you talk to your subconscious mind. If there's a stress message tied up with your goal, that also gets installed and makes your choices less focused in the long run.

Also if you think nothing, just observe the moment, what will happen? money starts flowing to you, hot men/women come crawling to you, and if you're jobless suddenly you will get offer of a job that pays you 500k? All happens without you THINKING about them? I really have hard time understanding that. I'm talking about those miracles that excites you not just peace and joy because I have air to breathe and water to drink.

I would say that is a function of less stress which makes it easier and more effective to get your subconscious mind to follow you. If you aren't in the moment, I don't think the subconscious mind listens. It is a robot that doesn't know future or past, it is always processing your habits right now.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by SuavePlaya

Why do you people always answer questions with questions. It's obvious the dude wants 10k, he didn't say he wants peace and enlightment. The question why he wants 10k is not important.

Of course you would say that. After all, you don't understand or believe in the LOA.

The question is relevant because for successful manifestation, you have to identify accurately what you want. This may surprise many people, but most people do not actually know themselves (or their intentions) very well.

In fact, my biggest personal challenges with the LOA are not about manifesting my intentions into reality, but correctly identifying & defining them in the first place.

As a general tip, I'd say that you should take your automatic, instinctive verbal formulation of your desire; probe two levels down and work from there. That will often yield the best results.

Here's an example of what I mean by probing two levels down. Suppose the chap says that he wants $10,000. One level down - the question would be: "But why do you really want $10,000?".

Let's say that the answer is: "Because I want to pay the fees for a certain music course which I wish to sign up for."

Instantly you see that the original formulation of the desire - "I want to have $10,000" can be sharpened and made more precise. It can be restated as follows: "Because I want to attend the XYZ music course at the ABC music school."

Ths gives you some alternatives on how to go about manifesting. Instead of manifesting for $10,000, you can manifest to be able to attend the XYZ music course at ABC school.

Money might be the main obstacle that prevents you from doing so. But if you use the more precise formulation of your intention - "I want to attend the XYZ music course at ABC school." - you create more room for the universe to give you what you really want. For example:

(1) you might get $10,000 out of thin air; OR
(2) the music school might lower its fees to some level which you can now afford, without needing any extra money to pay the fees; OR
(3) you might get some scholarship or grant to attend the music school; OR
(4) the school might offer you a few free trial lessons; OR
(5) the school may suddenly wish to hire a part-time admin officer, and you're suitable, and it turns out that they're happy to throw in the free music lessons if you're happy to do some admin projects for them; OR
(6) any number of things which YOU can't imagine, but which the universe can work out for you. (this is LOA, remember).

Simultaneously, the universe will start arranging any number of different things in your life, (not just the money-related aspects) to make it more convenient or conducive or possible for you to attend the XYZ course at ABC school.

Now, let's say you have probed one level down and have arrived at this intention - "I want to attend the XYZ music course at ABC school." Suppose you then do a 2nd level probe. The question is:

"WHY do you want to attend the XYZ music course at ABC school."

And let's say the answer is - "Because I wish to achieve PQR standards, in my piano playing ability." Once again, now that you've formulated your desire more correctly, you can manifest from there. And once again you create more room for the universe to give you what you REALLY want.

For example, unknown to you, perhaps ABC School is not a good music school and is not the best place for you to learn to play at PQR standards. If you manifest from your deeper level (you're two levels down now, remember) - "I wish to achieve PQR standards, in my piano playing ability", the universe now has room to guide you more effectively to that reality. For example:

(a) you may be led to consider another school, other than ABC school; OR

(b) you may be led to have some playing opportunities elsewhere, and end up acquiring PQR standards through actual performance and practice;

Etc etc.

This is why I asked those probing questions about WHY the chap wants $10,000.

People often formulate their intentions imprecisely. They say they want X, but actually they want something else. They may actually think hard, and manifest, and get that something else, and then they find oooops, actually that wasn't what they really wanted.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by MacFly

so basically, you're saying that doesn't really matter what theory/system/method I use, it just has to be aligned with what I believe?

That is what Judge is saying.

Eg if you are a fervent Christian, the most effective way may be for you to pray to God.

If you like hypnosis, the most effective way may be for you to utilise hypnosis.

If you like magickal practices, the most effective way may be for you to utilise magickal practices.

If I believe in the "realistic" mindset, I'll never be able to use LoA to manifest?

Oh, you'll manifest. In ways that correspond to the "realistic" mindset.

Eg if "realistic mindset" means, to you, that hard work is the key to fulfilling your intentions, and if you have the "realistic mindset", then the most effective way may be for you to work hard at your intentions.

[cylon]

Only $4,000 for this music course. I wouldn't mind manifesting this:

Producing Music with Logic Specialist Certificate

I might actually cry if I could do something like this. I just never thought about it seriously until now.

I think you would have an intention like that, get excited, then look at the price tag, and you kill your dream before it starts because you can't logically fathom having the money.

I should be thinking bigger. I should get really familiar with these courses and just imagine taking them and how good it would feel to have a thorough understanding of my craft.

I take tutorials in books, and online lessons, but something like this is extremely thorough.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Student of Life

ALG meditates and think hard about attracting those money, obviously he wanted to get those money, and he got it. That contradicts with the theory that once you WANT money, you attracting LACK of it.

Also if you think nothing, just observe the moment, what will happen? money starts flowing to you, hot men/women come crawling to you, and if you're jobless suddenly you will get offer of a job that pays you 500k? All happens without you THINKING about them? I really have hard time understanding that.

It's simple ... You either think positively about the intention, or you don't think about it at all.

So in practice, this is how it works. You set aside 15 minutes of quiet time, to meditate and visualise positively about your intention. Now the thing is on its way to you.

The rest of the day, you either keep thinking positively about it, or if you cannot, you just avoid thinking about it at all. In other words, you detach.

Otherwise you'll spoil your creation, by thinking negative thoughts about it.

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The above approach works best for intentions for which you cannot take action anyway. If the intention is one where you can take appropriate action, then you should take appropriate action, and of course that means you'll be thinking about it as you take action.