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Billiardsguy2006 · 03-05-2009, 04:33 AM

Many people followed Hitler-but why? Logic dictates that Hitler was a good public speaker and made good promises to rebuild the economy. But so what? Every politician does that to one degree or another. Do you think Hitler used the LOA to manifest a huge following of people? Could this account for his dominance over Europe and the slaughter of millions of innocent people in the 20th century?

magi13 · 03-05-2009, 04:36 AM

Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

knowing more about hitler is important before we say that he used LOA.

Judge · 03-05-2009, 04:39 AM

Therein lies the fundamental flaw of LoA.

Everyone can use it

The Law of Attraction

Judge

magic1 · 03-05-2009, 04:41 AM

thought about this before...I think he did, as he just believed, so he did it unintentionally...and no its not a flaw...it the way...belief creates.....

torilink · 03-05-2009, 04:43 AM

I think he just completely understood man's egoic nature and how to manipulate it to his will. He knew ego's need to blame, feel superior or inferior, hate, judge, punish, and so on..... from there it's just a matter of supplying the right ego's with the right info and motivations to do his will.

we saw this over the last eight years in our own gov't here in the USA.

magic1 · 03-05-2009, 04:45 AM

mind you...on some level the pple he affected were unintentionally using LOA...most believed him passivly....and dare I say it...the jews...most believed that was the way, I believe, if they had of believed another thing...the mess could have been different...

Billiardsguy2006 · 03-05-2009, 04:45 AM

His thoughts were very vivid and intense. He must of have been giving off very high vibrations.

I think Victor Frankl, the famous pscyhologist who survived Nazi concentration camps, used the LOA to prevent himself from harm by VIVIDLY visualizing himself being reunited with his family and in his home again.

I think the only way to survive the concentration camps was to apply the LOA. Remember-the chances of getting killed any given day were very high. Yet some prisoners managed to survive years in camps!

Wax Frog · 03-05-2009, 04:46 AM

Intense charisma always raises red flags for me.

magic1 · 03-05-2009, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torilink

I think he just completely understood man's egoic nature and how to manipulate it to his will. He knew ego's need to blame, feel superior or inferior, hate, judge, punish, and so on..... from there it's just a matter of supplying the right ego's with the right info and motivations to do his will.

we saw this over the last eight years in our own gov't here in the USA.

but his belief created his power.....there is no other way...belief creates....its very simple.....and no other explanation, its how the universe works...that's it....

torilink · 03-05-2009, 04:52 AM

ok, if you want to get all technical-ly....

Hitler is a projection of my (your) beliefs. The entire outer screen of reality is a projection of belief. There is no "Time" really - there is only now and I'm projecting this event into the "Past" because of something I believe now.

The question is what beliefs and why do we have them. Why did we (I or You) create a world/reality with a Hitler in it??

Excellent Lodestar · 03-05-2009, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Intense charisma always raises red flags for me.

charisma? I thought it was the meth...
Adolf Hitler and methamphetamine

torilink · 03-05-2009, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Intense charisma always raises red flags for me.

damn, if that was charisma - I don't want any! lol

magic1 · 03-05-2009, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torilink

ok, if you want to get all technical-ly....

Hitler is a projection of my (your) beliefs. The entire outer screen of reality is a projection of belief. There is no "Time" really - there is only now and I'm projecting this event into the "Past" because of something I believe now.

The question is what beliefs and why do we have them. Why did we (I or You) create a world/reality with a Hitler in it??

too hard basket...I may stick to manifesting feathers....ha!

torilink · 03-05-2009, 05:00 AM

that's why i wrote my first post about the egoic nature of man.... lol

but really, if you think about it - if we didn't hold beliefs that someone like Hitler could exist - he couldn't have existed, right?

Judge · 03-05-2009, 05:01 AM

The entire concept of LoA is flawed under and objective reality model, because who's intentions win?

Hitler's intentions were stronger than others so he got to power and then collective intentions worked against him and that was his downfall? None of that makes much sense and applied to a planet of 6 billion seperately conscious beings, then that's just a big fat mess

That's a real stretch to accept as a workable model of reality......but I suppose many believe in god and heaven

An old indian guru was asked 'where did Hitler go? and he replied........

Hitler is in heaven

Judge

Wax Frog · 03-05-2009, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torilink

damn, if that was charisma - I don't want any! lol

That may have been the wrong word, but still, there was some sort of eerie magnetism going on there.

torilink · 03-05-2009, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

That may have been the wrong word, but still, there was some sort of eerie magnetism going on there.

dang there aren't any throw-up smilies, jk

i think its the whole drama triangle on a massive scale.

Wax Frog · 03-05-2009, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torilink

i think its the whole drama triangle on a massive scale.

Great, hit me with another concept I don't know!

torilink · 03-05-2009, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Great, hit me with another concept I don't know!

oh, you know that you know.

magi13 · 03-05-2009, 05:10 AM

Human nature, he gave his people something to believe in. He showed preliminary promise, the problem is he failed to rekindle it as time passed.

He gave his people superiority over others, and using religion to control their beliefs.

It's like saying, God is with us, if your not with us your against God. We have to remember that not everyone is open minded or critical thinkers. These are one of the things that lead to his downfall. If everyone was the same, if ever we meet a crises and everyone has the same idea, that failed, then they have no future.

That's the importance of individuality.

For the sake of the argument that LOA is true. ^^, Be responsible for the things you wish to attract.

<(^o^<) Religious trivia.

Since Hitler believed and God, he must be in heaven. ^^

Wax Frog · 03-05-2009, 05:11 AM

OK, looked it up, know what it is now. Been awhile since I've read anything of a psychotherapeutic nature...

torilink · 03-05-2009, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

OK, looked it up, know what it is now. Been awhile since I've read anything of a psychotherapeutic nature...

i thought we had discussed this in the past?

Wax Frog · 03-05-2009, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torilink

i thought we had discussed this in the past?

Maybe we did, but it obviously had little hold on my mind. I've been focusing on "figuring out" IM/LoA more than anything...

torilink · 03-05-2009, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Maybe we did, but it obviously had little hold on my mind. I've been focusing on "figuring out" IM/LoA more than anything...

i hear you.

Starman · 03-05-2009, 05:30 AM

I don't know much about LOA yet, but it initially seems to me that everyone uses LOA all the time, but most don't know they are; thus they don't see that something they were feeling inside brought about the circumstances they find themselves in.

Including Hitler, you and me.

Judge · 03-05-2009, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I've been focusing on "figuring out" IM/LoA more than anything...

The LoA has some very major problems with it that can't really be resolved under an objective model of reality. Of course through the SR lens/perspective belief, there are no problems and it works perfectly.

The Law of Attraction

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starman

I don't know much about LOA yet, but it initially seems to me that everyone uses LOA all the time.

Really? You can choose to believe that and it has some value, but it will always mean that the LoA is prone to failure much of the time.

A system of belief that works should take into account every possible problem that may arise. The only way the LoA can work is if you believe others have control over it more than you do when it suits them and everyone else. This is a model that makes little sense and more along the lines of a 'god' out there granting you wishes when he sees fit.

If you and I want the same thing and we're both equally sure about it.........he wins?

Me, because of my intense focus and emotion and thought?
You because you are better at manifestation than I am?
Other people because they unknowingly use collective intention?

However you play it, it is very random, frustrating and mostly of no use other than to revert back to seeking answers via forums like this.

Judge

Acting Like Godot · 03-05-2009, 06:15 AM

Hitler was no ordinary LOA user.

He used a specialised form of LOA known as black magick. He was taught by Ernst Pretzche sometime after the 1st World War.

Hitler and the Occult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Unknown Hitler: Nazi Roots in the Occult

The Nazis' link to the occult was quite obvious. Didn't you know? What do you think this is:

"In Hinduism, the two symbols represent the two forms of the creator god Brahma: facing right it represents the evolution of the universe (Devanagari: प्रवृत्ति, Pravritti), facing left it represents the involution of the universe (Devanagari: निवृत्ति, Nivritti). It is also seen as pointing in all four directions (north, east, south and west) and thus signifies stability and groundedness. Its use as a sun symbol can first be seen in its representation of the god Surya (Devanagari: सूर्य, Sun). The swastika is considered extremely holy and auspicious by all Hindus, and is regularly used to decorate items related to Hindu culture. It is used in all Hindu yantras (Devanagari: यंत्र) and religious designs. Throughout the subcontinent of India, it can be seen on the sides of temples, religious scriptures, gift items, and letterheads. The Hindu deity Ganesh (Devanagari: गणेश) is often shown sitting on a lotus flower on a bed of swastikas."

Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SpaceGuru · 03-05-2009, 06:17 AM

Very Interesting Post!

No, he did not use LOA, but he did mass hypnotize the German people.

To understand why the germans were so suggestable at the time you need to first understand the philosophical context of the time.

Quote:

From Winds of Doctrine by George Santayana, 1913

German Idealism, when we study it as a product of its own age and country, is a most engaging phenomenon; it is full of afflatus, sweep, and deep searchings of the heart; but it is essentially romantic and egoistical, and all in it that is not soliloquy is mere system-making and sophistry. Therefore when it is taught by unromantic people ex cathedra, in stentorian tones, and represented as the rational foundation of science and religion, with neither of which it has any honest sympathy, it becomes positively odious – one of the worst impostures and blights to which a youthful imagination could be subjected.

German Idealism having been the ideological forerunner of American Transcendentalism, and hence New Ageism. See, these views merely created the fertile ground for Hitler's views which was based on Indian mythology, Arian race, the swastika (indian symbol for luck), and the belief in a superior race similar to the Inidan caste system.

magic1 · 03-05-2009, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torilink

that's why i wrote my first post about the egoic nature of man.... lol

but really, if you think about it - if we didn't hold beliefs that someone like Hitler could exist - he couldn't have existed, right?

I got it sweetie! ha...that just threw me into space! ha!

magic1 · 03-05-2009, 06:21 AM

[QUOTE=SpaceGuru;314729]Very Interesting Post!

No, he did not use LOA, but he did mass hypnotize the German people.

cause he did...belief creates...very simply, he just didn't realize....he was a dreaded sleeeeeeeeeeper....

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magic1 Family Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,637	thought about this before...I think he did, as he just believed, so he did it unintentionally...and no its not a flaw...it the way...belief creates.....

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torilink Family Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,123	I think he just completely understood man's egoic nature and how to manipulate it to his will. He knew ego's need to blame, feel superior or inferior, hate, judge, punish, and so on..... from there it's just a matter of supplying the right ego's with the right info and motivations to do his will. we saw this over the last eight years in our own gov't here in the USA.

03-05-2009, 04:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
magic1 Family Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,637	mind you...on some level the pple he affected were unintentionally using LOA...most believed him passivly....and dare I say it...the jews...most believed that was the way, I believe, if they had of believed another thing...the mess could have been different...

03-05-2009, 04:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
Billiardsguy2006 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 28	His thoughts were very vivid and intense. He must of have been giving off very high vibrations. I think Victor Frankl, the famous pscyhologist who survived Nazi concentration camps, used the LOA to prevent himself from harm by VIVIDLY visualizing himself being reunited with his family and in his home again. I think the only way to survive the concentration camps was to apply the LOA. Remember-the chances of getting killed any given day were very high. Yet some prisoners managed to survive years in camps!

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Wax Frog Legendary Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Going from Somewhere to Elsewhere Posts: 10,374	Intense charisma always raises red flags for me.

03-05-2009, 04:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
torilink Family Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,123	ok, if you want to get all technical-ly.... Hitler is a projection of my (your) beliefs. The entire outer screen of reality is a projection of belief. There is no "Time" really - there is only now and I'm projecting this event into the "Past" because of something I believe now. The question is what beliefs and why do we have them. Why did we (I or You) create a world/reality with a Hitler in it??

03-05-2009, 05:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
torilink Family Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,123	that's why i wrote my first post about the egoic nature of man.... lol but really, if you think about it - if we didn't hold beliefs that someone like Hitler could exist - he couldn't have existed, right?

03-05-2009, 05:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
Judge Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 706	The entire concept of LoA is flawed under and objective reality model, because who's intentions win? Hitler's intentions were stronger than others so he got to power and then collective intentions worked against him and that was his downfall? None of that makes much sense and applied to a planet of 6 billion seperately conscious beings, then that's just a big fat mess That's a real stretch to accept as a workable model of reality......but I suppose many believe in god and heaven An old indian guru was asked 'where did Hitler go? and he replied........ Hitler is in heaven Judge

03-05-2009, 05:10 AM	#20 (permalink)
magi13 Family Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,421	Human nature, he gave his people something to believe in. He showed preliminary promise, the problem is he failed to rekindle it as time passed. He gave his people superiority over others, and using religion to control their beliefs. It's like saying, God is with us, if your not with us your against God. We have to remember that not everyone is open minded or critical thinkers. These are one of the things that lead to his downfall. If everyone was the same, if ever we meet a crises and everyone has the same idea, that failed, then they have no future. That's the importance of individuality. For the sake of the argument that LOA is true. ^^, Be responsible for the things you wish to attract. <(^o^<) Religious trivia. Since Hitler believed and God, he must be in heaven. ^^

03-05-2009, 05:11 AM	#21 (permalink)
Wax Frog Legendary Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Going from Somewhere to Elsewhere Posts: 10,374	OK, looked it up, know what it is now. Been awhile since I've read anything of a psychotherapeutic nature...

03-05-2009, 05:30 AM	#25 (permalink)
Starman Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 173	I don't know much about LOA yet, but it initially seems to me that everyone uses LOA all the time, but most don't know they are; thus they don't see that something they were feeling inside brought about the circumstances they find themselves in. Including Hitler, you and me.

03-05-2009, 06:15 AM	#27 (permalink)
Acting Like Godot Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,613	Hitler was no ordinary LOA user. He used a specialised form of LOA known as black magick. He was taught by Ernst Pretzche sometime after the 1st World War. Hitler and the Occult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Unknown Hitler: Nazi Roots in the Occult The Nazis' link to the occult was quite obvious. Didn't you know? What do you think this is: "In Hinduism, the two symbols represent the two forms of the creator god Brahma: facing right it represents the evolution of the universe (Devanagari: प्रवृत्ति, Pravritti), facing left it represents the involution of the universe (Devanagari: निवृत्ति, Nivritti). It is also seen as pointing in all four directions (north, east, south and west) and thus signifies stability and groundedness. Its use as a sun symbol can first be seen in its representation of the god Surya (Devanagari: सूर्य, Sun). The swastika is considered extremely holy and auspicious by all Hindus, and is regularly used to decorate items related to Hindu culture. It is used in all Hindu yantras (Devanagari: यंत्र) and religious designs. Throughout the subcontinent of India, it can be seen on the sides of temples, religious scriptures, gift items, and letterheads. The Hindu deity Ganesh (Devanagari: गणेश) is often shown sitting on a lotus flower on a bed of swastikas." Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03-05-2009, 06:21 AM	#30 (permalink)
magic1 Family Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,637	[QUOTE=SpaceGuru;314729]Very Interesting Post! No, he did not use LOA, but he did mass hypnotize the German people. cause he did...belief creates...very simply, he just didn't realize....he was a dreaded sleeeeeeeeeeper....

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