If LOA is real, why cannot we prevent death?

[Billiardsguy2006]

Hi all,

I really believe that the LOA works-I've seen evidence of it in my life. But my question is this-why cannot the LOA prevent my own death? Surely, if I imagine myself living forever I would-wouldn't I? This doesn't make sense to me. So either the LOA is limited in application or I am not understanding something.

[magic1]

have no clue...as no-one knows...but if I were to guess...Id say because we are essentially energy....that's the basis of LOA....then we don't die anyway...its way out of our conscious understanding at the mo...maybe focus on just manifesting a feather...and don't do you head in....

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Billiardsguy2006

Hi all,

I really believe that the LOA works-I've seen evidence of it in my life. But my question is this-why cannot the LOA prevent my own death? Surely, if I imagine myself living forever I would-wouldn't I? This doesn't make sense to me. So either the LOA is limited in application or I am not understanding something.

i think it is definitely possible...

it wasn't too long ago I read about an Oceanic discovery of some type of jellyfish-ish thing which lives forever.... well that is to say it doesn't die from natural causes. of course if you killed it - it would die though.... I'll have to see if I can hunt up that article I read.

just to add that this article came as a synch after I'd been thinking about overcoming death (egoic death) for some time. anywho... I'll post the article link if i can find it.

[magi13]

For the sake of the argument.

if LOA is real, the fact that people believe that they'll eventually die, attracts death. LOA in application, does not only grants your specific desires, but also the subconscious desires of those around you. Even though they don't know LOA, they are manifesting things subconsciously.

Hence people die, because the majority of the living beings in this world believe that is the natural way of things. :3

Of course, I myself wish to live forever in my youth form, ^^ but I somehow I also wish for peace, hence two contradicting thoughts.

All I know is that I'm a spark of life in this universe, I'll keep doing 120 percent every time and when my time comes, I'll be at peace and return to the universe.



Scientifically speaking, people die, that's a fact, there is no evidence proving immortality in a living being, except that jelly fish thing.

Jellyfish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[torilink]

ok, found the link. The title of the article is "A small jellyfish may hold the key to eternal life".

enjoy

[magi13]

Originally Posted by torilink

ok, found the link. The title of the article is "A small jellyfish may hold the key to eternal life".

enjoy

hehe we were thinking of the same jellyfish thing.

[torilink]

jinx, you owe me a coke! tee hee

[torilink]

Originally Posted by magi13

For the sake of the argument.

if LOA is real, the fact that people believe that they'll eventually die, attracts death. LOA in application, does not only grants your specific desires, but also the subconscious desires of those around you. Even though they don't know LOA, they are manifesting things subconsciously.

Hence people die, because the majority of the living beings in this world believe that is the natural way of things. :3

Of course, I myself wish to live forever in my youth form, ^^ but I somehow I also wish for peace, hence two contradicting thoughts.

All I know is that I'm a spark of life in this universe, I'll keep doing 120 percent every time and when my time comes, I'll be at peace and return to the universe.



Scientifically speaking, people die, that's a fact, there is no evidence proving immortality in a living being, except that jelly fish thing.

Jellyfish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here's the cool thing about the jellyfish thing...

we can bend the rules of our reality program without shattering the illusion so long as we find a way of having our desire met in an egoically believable way... Now my ego may very well have in its belief filter the belief we all must die at some time... nobody can live forever... blah blah blah... so all of a sudden people aren't just going to start staying young and gorgeous and stop aging and dying because it would shatter the entire illusion and then its over anyhow, right?

so there are the work around's like science, like this jellyfish which may lead to some type of pill or injection that keeps us young and healthy forever... see??

cool really how it works, bending reality just enough to bring the imagined to reality without shattering it completely.

[cylon]

If we view reality as a dream it makes way more sense. Because, in a dream:

• we are literally creating the world we live in, including all the people in it.

• time seems to go by, but it's not "real" time, so we can live years in a moment, or become younger. Or live in a totally different time period.

• and at least for me, often It's a story. My dream character could say "I want to live forever" then cut to a scene where I'm on the beach then cut to a scene where I'm underwater with this jellyfish then cut to a scene where I hear a tv anchor announce that eternal life has been discovered and it's the jellyfish I just saw underwater that is the clue. Which is just another way to say what TK said.

Even in lucid dreams, if you can manage to not wake up, you can be conscious of the dream and stuff will STILL happen that you can't predict, even though you know it's all a dream.

[Billiardsguy2006]

So maybe the Law of Attraction works in ways that we do not understand. Here is my theory-

(1) The living brain emits waves into the universe. Thoughts are waves-electrically charged particles. Therefore, you "attract" what you think about. For instance, I've been practising Remote/Mental Seduction on my girlfriend and see it working beautifully-she seems to get certain vibes to me. Or suppose I think about money. I will attract all things, situations, and circumstances that provide me with the opportunity to earn money.
HOWEVER, WHEN THE BRAIN DIES-THOUGHTS NO LONGER EXIST. BECAUSE THE LOA RELIES ON electricity(thoughts), there is no longer any attraction. Note that your conciousness does not die, you remain completely in tact, just your physical body fades away.

My theory actually goes against Steve's theory of subjective reality. It is the thoughts that are creating things, not conciousness. Therefore, we cannot prevent death with our thoughts but we can attract external factors.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by cylon

If we view reality as a dream it makes way more sense. Because, in a dream:

• we are literally creating the world we live in, including all the people in it.

• time seems to go by, but it's not "real" time, so we can live years in a moment, or become younger. Or live in a totally different time period.

• and at least for me, often It's a story. My dream character could say "I want to live forever" then cut to a scene where I'm on the beach then cut to a scene where I'm underwater with this jellyfish then cut to a scene where I hear a tv anchor announce that eternal life has been discovered and it's the jellyfish I just saw underwater that is the clue. Which is just another way to say what TK said.

Even in lucid dreams, if you can manage to not wake up, you can be conscious of the dream and stuff will STILL happen that you can't predict, even though you know it's all a dream.

i know i have had a few years that seemed to go by in a moment!!

[Billiardsguy2006]

Maybe science will be able to explain the LOA some day. Currently, it is just too difficult for us to understand. For example, hundreds of years ago people didn't understand how to generate electricity-now they understand it. People didn't understand gravity-now they understand it. We have to take our thinking to the next dimension.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by torilink

i know i have had a few years that seemed to go by in a moment!!

That's been happening to me since about 2001. Not that I live the most exciting life right now, but before then I always had some event or series of events that allowed me to recall the personal significance of any given year. Clear signposts. Not any more. It's kind of scary to see a film or show that seemed to have come out last year, only to catch a copyright date of, say, 2005!!!

The sameness and acceleration effect seem to feed off each other.

[magi13]

Originally Posted by torilink

here's the cool thing about the jellyfish thing...

we can bend the rules of our reality program without shattering the illusion so long as we find a way of having our desire met in an egoically believable way... Now my ego may very well have in its belief filter the belief we all must die at some time... nobody can live forever... blah blah blah... so all of a sudden people aren't just going to start staying young and gorgeous and stop aging and dying because it would shatter the entire illusion and then its over anyhow, right?

so there are the work around's like science, like this jellyfish which may lead to some type of pill or injection that keeps us young and healthy forever... see??

cool really how it works, bending reality just enough to bring the imagined to reality without shattering it completely.

i'd like how the jelly fish do it more though. if they have sex they revert to their youth. now how cool is that?

[Judge]

Originally Posted by Billiardsguy2006

Hi all,

I really believe that the LOA works-I've seen evidence of it in my life. But my question is this-why cannot the LOA prevent my own death? Surely, if I imagine myself living forever I would-wouldn't I? This doesn't make sense to me. So either the LOA is limited in application or I am not understanding something.

The LoA only works for you. There is no other consciousness having intentions, your intentions are the only ones there are, so if you intend this life, then the rules you created to govern this life of yours, include death.

The rules are the fundamental core beliefs that keep this reality (of yours) stable, day after day. In truth there is no day after day, because the only thing you know for sure is this present moment.

Can you cheat death?........only if you believe you were ever born

Judge

[torilink]

Originally Posted by magi13

i'd like how the jelly fish do it more though. if they have sex they revert to their youth. now how cool is that?

i second that.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Billiardsguy2006

HOWEVER, WHEN THE BRAIN DIES-THOUGHTS NO LONGER EXIST.

You see, your basic assumption here is that consciousness is dependent on the brain.

But this assumption has been questioned from a wide variety of different angles.

Eg Dr Peter Fenwick, an NDE researcher, has pointed out that NDE experiencers appear to have full-blown NDE experiences even though electrical activity in the brain has died down to zero.

Furthermore, subsequently, they even recall very vividly the details of their NDE experience, even though their brain activity had been zero and should not have been able to support any memory functions.

This suggests that consciousness (or some aspects of it) isn't necessarily dependent on the brain.

[Lil Chris]

Is it possible this "reality" is a fascinating hallucination... (sorry, I'm watching the X-Files right now)

[magi13]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

Is it possible this "reality" is a fascinating hallucination... (sorry, I'm watching the X-Files right now)

you can also use the matrix as an example. or the animation Ghost in the shell.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by Billiardsguy2006

HOWEVER, WHEN THE BRAIN DIES-THOUGHTS NO LONGER EXIST.

Really? How do you know for sure that your thoughts are happening inside your physical brain?

Did someone tell you?

God?
Science?

Why do you trust them?

Because everyone else does?
It's in books?
People in authority told you?

Your belief system is powered by your current view of your current physical reality, but if that entire system is basically an assumption viewed through your present moment awareness, then some or all of it could be wrong.

Judge

[magi13]

Originally Posted by Judge

Really? How do you know for sure that your thoughts are happening inside your physical brain?

Neuroscience For Kids - Explore the nervous system

here's the basics about neuroscience. ^^,

Your belief system is powered by your current view of your current physical reality, but if that entire system is basically an assumption viewed through your present moment awareness, then some or all of it could be wrong.
Judge

I don't question this part.

[SuavePlaya]

well I know I dont think with my toes lol.

[magi13]

Originally Posted by SuavePlaya

well I know I dont think with my toes lol.

Can you explain this statement more? :3

[SuavePlaya]

Originally Posted by Judge

Really? How do you know for sure that your thoughts are happening inside your physical brain

Judge if i removed your brain would you still be able to have a thought?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by SuavePlaya

Judge if i removed your brain would you still be able to have a thought?

As I mentioned, Peter Fenwick's research indicates that people were having full-blown NDEs when their brains were down to zero electrical activity.

Let me explain what that means.

The guy's brain is dead. Yet he is having an experience. In this experience, he is aware, for example, of floating out of his body. He sees his body lying on the hospital bed. He observes his life flash before his eyes. He experiences emotions. He notices a bright light at the end of the tunnel. He sees his long-dead relatives. He hears them speak to him. Etc etc.

Whether you think that these were all hallucinations or genuine, that is not the point. A brain with zero electrical activity should not even be able to support a hallucination.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by SuavePlaya

well I know I dont think with my toes lol.

Surprise. There are many little pieces of medical research that suggest that consciousness, if located in the body, isn't exclusively located in the brain.

NIH - Research Matters - Innate Immune Cells Have Some Memory

For example, the body's adaptive immunity system actually remembers infections that it has fought off before. So if you get hit with the same bug again, your immunity system fights it off more effectively, since it remembers and recognises the pathogens that it has fought against previously.

Memory, of course, may well be said to be an aspect of consciousness.

[SuavePlaya]

Next time I take a test I will make sure to use my toes not my brain because to you guys the brain isn't where I think lol. Yeah, I will also challenge anybody with brain damage to a spelling bee. That will only make sense because you don't need your brain to think right i mean your science proved it.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by SuavePlaya

Judge if i removed your brain would you still be able to have a thought?

You are still lost in your own creation. Where is Judge? Who is Judge?

You have made 'Judge' into an identity you can ask questions of, argue with, seek guidance, but mostly displace your own consciousness. There is no 'Judge' other than you creating and seeing the words here and opinions offered. They are yours, they are all your creation.

I will tell you that the seperation is well defined, but it's a total illusion.

Here is your proof........

Think of the person that you have no knowledge of (pick one out of 6 billion) and that person who you will never know of in any kind of definable context, who is born and dies, whenever, whereever.......

Does that person exist?

Of course they don't. You don't care for them, about them, or even give any kind of consideration for and/or about them. And yet you want the people you create, who you can define......to love you, care for you and even argue with you.

You seek god powers, but don't want to be god..........

But it's not so bad........

No one wants that

Judge

[magi13]

@judge, ^^ you didn't answer his question.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by magi13

@judge, ^^ you didn't answer his question.

I would, as my ego does, respect your response more if it was not tethered to your blog.

Judge