The Master of Manifestation

[Judge]

You can’t manifest anything you say you want until you admit you are manifesting everything you already have.

This is the real barrier that most people attempting to use the LoA, IM and even praying are coming up against. You can’t use the LoA for just the fancy new stuff you want, because when you deny you are already a master at manifestation for the simple stuff that fills your life everyday………you limit your creative power.

Who creates you world and everything in it? God? Other people? Universe?magical unknowable energy source?

No, you are the creator of your world.

Here’s a little pointer........

When everyone leaves you, when you are all alone, in your home, the forest, on a beach, in the bathroom, who is the only one you know for sure that exists?

And there you are

There’s no escaping yourself, even in dreams. So it must be you that is the creator. You could say god’s doing it, or collective consciousness, but as you can’t really prove that, it’s an assumption and it could be wrong.

We deny what we create effortlessly and flawlessly, because we are always trying to get to the next (future) moment that we hope will be better. By denying the moment (the present now) as all there ever is, we deny we’re creating it.

That is why taking your attention to the now, this present moment is so important. Because that’s where you’re power is, all the time. There’s no manifestation power in the future or past, it’s here right now, but then we deny it, say we don’t like it and then want something like the LoA to make this moment better.

We look at our immediate surroundings, give them no value, see them as ordinary and then look outside for manifestation power. If all life is basically made of the same stuff, then what is the difference between a cup, love and a million dollars?

There is no difference. The difference is in the perception and perception only exists right now. I see many requests on this forum from people who want stuff in their lives and want their lives to be better. They want advice and a formula to fix what’s wrong.

In truth there is nothing wrong, you and your world are perfect. You’re perceiving lack and denying you’re the creator of everything in your awareness. And then we blame god, the economy, upbringing, education, luck and other people for why we don’t have what we want.

When you can realise that everything in the now, every object, every emotion, every joy, every sadness, is of your creation, then you can start adding stuff that you purposely want to perceive.

You can give up control, but you can never give up responsibility.

Judge

[StephanieShine]

This is a really good point. Empowering even. Would you reccomend any other books or websites I could read more about this?

[cylon]

I have noticed in myself and 'others' that looking at what is makes us defensive because we would not have created something we don't like. So the stuff we don't like is "they did that" and the stuff we do like is "I did that".

So I just think to myself, yes I may have created it, but I didn't consciously know any better. It's no one's fault, it just is. Maybe I created it so I could learn to un-create it.

Also to take this further, people say "I never would have imagined something so horrible as people starving and murder into existence."

Ever been to a depressing movie? For a couple hours you can see tons of FICTIONAL, horrible things happening. People actually get paid to think of things that are bad that never happened, make them see extremely realistic, then people go and pay money to experience a horror that someone else imagined into existence.

The Oscars are tonight, I haven't seen the films this year, but I bet a majority of them are fictional accounts of people living lives that suck.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Judge

in the bathroom...

Manifesting miracles everyday...


Great post Judge.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by StephanieShine

This is a really good point. Empowering even. Would you reccomend any other books or websites I could read more about this?

Tolle's Power of Now is good. It's basically a modern take on what most gurus (Indian/Buddist) have been teaching for thousands of years. The Bible and Kabbalah have some gems, but they are very cryptic.

Steve's SR Q&A is also good.

Originally Posted by cylon

I have noticed in myself and 'others' that looking at what is makes us defensive because we would not have created something we don't like. So the stuff we don't like is "they did that" and the stuff we do like is "I did that".

We have fallen into a trap where we define ourselves by the lack in our lives and ignore the simplicity of the present moment. There is all the power we ever need, but we just look away to a time in the future we desire will fix the present.

It's quiet insane when you think about it

Judge

[RubberDuck]

I have recently become aware of the striking power in manifestation.... It is a bit scary actually, mostly to realize the huge responsibility in controlling ones attitude towards life...

Observing the mind at work, can also be scary at times, a starving pain body can cry out pretty loud

Good post, as usual, Judge.

RD

[bluedragon]

I like how that sounds - "master of manifestation". It sounds like a powerful wizard of something I think I will one day become one. For the moment, I think I am only a "son of manifestation"

[Judge]

Originally Posted by RubberDuck

IObserving the mind at work, can also be scary at times, a starving pain body can cry out pretty loud

That's why the present moment is so powerful, no ego or pain body can exist there. Ego and the pain body are all rooted in past and future. The present moment is perfect and free of all that is false.

We can tell how strong our pain bodies and ego are by seeing how easy it is to pay attention to the present moment. There is no time in the present moment.........and there you are

Judge

[drama07]

Originally Posted by RubberDuck

I have recently become aware of the striking power in manifestation.... It is a bit scary actually, mostly to realize the huge responsibility in controlling ones attitude towards life...

Observing the mind at work, can also be scary at times, a starving pain body can cry out pretty loud

Good post, as usual, Judge.

RD

It is tough. The pain body will always try to feed on anything when you least expect it. You must be as concious as you can. Observe, feel your body. Observe the feeling of fear, observe the feelings the pain body can feed on. It's tough, but it comes with practice. Although, don't think practice because that only strengthens the ego. You can only observe now.

[RubberDuck]

Judge, That is so true, however a starving bank account and future bills to pay can do miracles to the time perspective of things

I know, that has absolutely nothing to do with the present present moment but a future present moment

Fortunately I also know that "someone" is taking good care of me. I have so far consistently been able to manifest rescue in the 11th hour, to get me out of the problems, I, for some strange self destructive reason, manifested to start with..

It is time to get my act together, and leave out the annoying stuff

Thanks for your pointers, it is so easy to get lost in space

RD

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Judge

You can’t manifest anything you say you want until you admit you are manifesting everything you already have.

This is the real barrier that most people attempting to use the LoA, IM and even praying are coming up against. You can’t use the LoA for just the fancy new stuff you want, because when you deny you are already a master at manifestation for the simple stuff that fills your life everyday………you limit your creative power.

Who creates you world and everything in it? God? Other people? Universe?magical unknowable energy source?

No, you are the creator of your world.

I agree in terms of creating our inner world (self) and creating our perceptions of the outer world but we cannot claim to manisesting all we have. All outer manifestations are a co-creation, even if it's the job you want or even if the co-creator is mother earth. The manifestations are in collaboration of probably many. Even the coffee table you dreamt of started off as something else. In reality, they are a chain of possibilities that become a chain of choices that become a reality.

Here’s a little pointer........

When everyone leaves you, when you are all alone, in your home, the forest, on a beach, in the bathroom, who is the only one you know for sure that exists?

And there you are

There’s no escaping yourself, even in dreams. So it must be you that is the creator.

I know I exist and I know you exist because we connect, in this case through written communication. I hear you though I may not see you. This forum connects a lot of "I am's" and without the connection, the forum would not have manifested.

Judge, I know you exist but I don't know you, your inner world. We all live within our own little worlds and are the creators of our own little worlds. Honestly, what do we solely create or manifest in our lives? Is there anything we create that isn't already there in another form?

There is something to be said for seeing what is already there. Maybe this is the power of now? Seeing what is and imagining what can be?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by cylon

I have noticed in myself and 'others' that looking at what is makes us defensive because we would not have created something we don't like. So the stuff we don't like is "they did that" and the stuff we do like is "I did that".

this to me is exactly what (biblically speaking) "original sin" was - Adam split into two - Adam/Eve and blame shifted out to that "other". Of course the "other" was really Adam's projection of belief & judgment (it is not good that man should be alone).

so projection of blame for one's circumstances, is to me, what takes us out of paradise (oneness) and relegates us to the egoic nature.

ego is created to make manifest & to experience all that consciousness is and then splits and projects outward "others" to blame & judge. this is the fall, the separation.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I agree in terms of creating our inner world (self) and creating our perceptions of the outer world but we cannot claim to manisesting all we have. All outer manifestations are a co-creation, even if it's the job you want or even if the co-creator is mother earth. The manifestations are in collaboration of probably many. Even the coffee table you dreamt of started off as something else. In reality, they are a chain of possibilities that become a chain of choices that become a reality.

I know I exist and I know you exist because we connect, in this case through written communication. I hear you though I may not see you. This forum connects a lot of "I am's" and without the connection, the forum would not have manifested.

Judge, I know you exist but I don't know you, your inner world. We all live within our own little worlds and are the creators of our own little worlds. Honestly, what do we solely create or manifest in our lives? Is there anything we create that isn't already there in another form?

There is something to be said for seeing what is already there. Maybe this is the power of now? Seeing what is and imagining what can be?

you don't know any of this as fact, it is a belief. You believe someone exists outside of yourself - but there is no way to prove or disprove that.

The only thing you can know is truth is that YOU ARE, but even much of what you believe you are is open for debate.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by torilink

you don't know any of this as fact, it is a belief.

What makes it a belief and not the truth?

You believe someone exists outside of yourself - but there is no way to prove or disprove that.

Well, you have responded to me and I am responding to you. Your thoughts are not the same as mine. That makes us independently real. I can't smell you, taste you, see you or touch you but I can hear you. Isn't that enough confimation for me to know that you exist?

The only thing you can know is truth is that YOU ARE, but even much of what you believe you are is open for debate.

I cannot wholley know who you are but I can know who I am which would not be open up for debate. The "I AM" is not found in any preconceived notions of who I might be or might have been.

"I AM" (my conscious whole) knows who I am, who I can be and who I want to be.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I cannot wholley know who you are but I can know who I am which would not be open up for debate. The "I AM" is not found in any preconceived notions of who I might be or might have been.

From my perspective, all you are is a series of blocks of text on my computer monitor, listed with the label "Maguru". You may indeed be more than that, but you must see that I can only know you as the above (unless we were to meet in some other fashion, in which case you would then become merely a voice (and possibly a face) calling itself "Maguru from the Steve Pavlina forum". I say this not to objectify you or deny your conscious existence, only to reinforce the point that the above examples are the only representation of "Maguru" I can ever know (at least while in corporeal form, and assuming my consciousness ended with that form). Ever changing, ever deepening, but still all a "presentation" made to "me", the only consciousness I have ever known (as always, to the best of my ability to discern).

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

From my perspective, all you are is a series of blocks of text on my computer monitor, listed with the label "Maguru". You may indeed be more than that, but you must see that I can only know you as the above (unless we were to meet in some other fashion, in which case you would then become merely a voice (and possibly a face) calling itself "Maguru from the Steve Pavlina forum".

Yes, that's what I said but this communication is enough evidence to convince me of your existence. Is it not enough to convince you of my existence?

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Yes, that's what I said but this communication is enough evidence to convince me of your existence. Is it not enough to convince you of my existence?

I experience you as another person, but this is just the result of what my senses pass along, processed by the 'filters' I mentioned in the Quantum Physics thread. I make assumptions, limited by those senses and filters. Hopefully the assumptions will be correct, but I simply can never know, at least under current conditions. You may be another autonomous being, or we're both emanations from a larger Consciousness, or maybe the truth of the matter is even stranger than that.

I'm fond of the idea that this is a Matrix-like school that our true selves (whatever those are) are plugged into, and that you and I and everyone else exists as something more than what we seem to be here; maybe, on the Outside, we're equivalent to the best of friends, ready to have a good laugh at all the tripping over ourselves we did while playing amnesiacs Inside... But that's just an idea, nothing more, a conceptual model like all the rest, though perhaps more fanciful than most.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I experience you as another person, but this is just the result of what my senses pass along, processed by the 'filters' I mentioned in the Quantum Physics thread. I make assumptions, limited by those senses and filters. Hopefully the assumptions will be correct, but I simply can never know, at least under current conditions. You may be another autonomous being, or we're both emanations from a larger Consciousness, or maybe the truth of the matter is even stranger than that.

Why are your assumptions LIMITED by senses? I assume you are a real human being and my senses support that assumption so now I believe it to be true. There are no senses or common experiences supporting the other concepts.

I'm fond of the idea that this is a Matrix-like school that our true selves (whatever those are) are plugged into, and that you and I and everyone else exists as something more than what we seem to be here; maybe, on the Outside, we're equivalent to the best of friends, ready to have a good laugh at all the tripping over ourselves we did while playing amnesiacs Inside... But that's just an idea, nothing more, a conceptual model like all the rest, though perhaps more fanciful than most.

It's a nice feel good concept for when we are dead.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Why are your assumptions LIMITED by senses? I assume you are a real human being and my senses support that assumption so now I believe it to be true.

Because all I have to go on are sensory inputs, and the thoughts and ideas that have grown through my life based on those inputs (unless, as I hope, I'm indeed connected to some greater Source).

There are no senses or common experiences supporting the other concepts.

I disagree completely; while nothing in my life experience supports my (purely speculative) alternative models, neither does any of it expressly forbid them. I simply don't and can't know either way because I'm presently stuck inside a perceptual box.

It's a nice feel good concept for when we are dead.

I don't know your views on life after death; do you believe that when we're dead, it's over and done, no continuation of any sort?

[jaideepv1234]

yes judge...that is right.....but to stay in the NOW PRESENT MOMENT ..is not at all simple thing to practise in the real life..for me i have to practise alot...

r u aware of indin phisofical stuffs....have u read....ADI SHANKARACHARYA, BUDDHA, i think its reflecting from ur post that u have gone through all this stuff..i also read that but not in this great depth.....in this stuffs they strongly sys that u have to be in NOW, but for that reason u have to renunciate everything in ur llife which will make u to drag in this life of lust, body, false things....

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Why are your assumptions LIMITED by senses?

Well, for example, I might assume that you're clean because I can't sense that you're not. However, if my senses were different, eg my sense of smell was as sharp as a dog, I might not make that same assumption.

We are all limited by our senses. Wherever you are, there is a huge universe of data fluctuating all around you. For instance, radio waves with song and words and voices and information are passing through you, but you can't sense any of that. Your chakras are radiating different colours at different intensities and they say a lot about you, but you can't sense any of that (unless you're psychic).

You can sense only what you can sense, and whatever you can sense becomes the basis for your reality. You simply assume that what you sense is "reality".

If you sensed differently, then reality would be different.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Maguru

What makes it a belief and not the truth? Well, you have responded to me and I am responding to you. Your thoughts are not the same as mine. That makes us independently real. I can't smell you, taste you, see you or touch you but I can hear you. Isn't that enough confimation for me to know that you exist?

The only way I could know for certain that you are independently real, is to experience your inner being or awareness as the identity of Maguru. Since I cannot do that, I can assume (based upon a belief in "Others") that you have a separate independent reality from myself. Just because I assume that or choose to belief that, doesn't make it true.

Originally Posted by Maguru

I cannot wholley know who you are but I can know who I am which would not be open up for debate. The "I AM" is not found in any preconceived notions of who I might be or might have been.

Can you know what/who you are truly? Or are you simply who you believe yourself to be? Then you'd have to ask, just because I believe this about my "Self" does it make it true?

[Judge]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

yes judge...that is right.....but to stay in the NOW PRESENT MOMENT ..is not at all simple thing to practise in the real life..for me i have to practise alot...

r u aware of indin phisofical stuffs....have u read....ADI SHANKARACHARYA, BUDDHA, i think its reflecting from ur post that u have gone through all this stuff..i also read that but not in this great depth.....in this stuffs they strongly sys that u have to be in NOW, but for that reason u have to renunciate everything in ur llife which will make u to drag in this life of lust, body, false things....

I've read a fair bit of indian guru(s) like........
http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/I_Am_That.pdf

Tolle mostly takes all that and gives it a more modern, easier to digest presentation. Steve's SR Q&A is very good, nice and straight forward.

I don't believe in giving up materialism, because then we just attach our ego to spiritualism, which is the same thing, but without the money It's not about giving up stuff to become enlightened, it's about not trying to find yourself in anything you can manifest.

Manifesting stuff is a wonderous thing to be able to do, money, love, success, all good as experience, it's when we seek our identity in stuff, that's when we get into trouble.

Judge

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Because all I have to go on are sensory inputs, and the thoughts and ideas that have grown through my life based on those inputs (unless, as I hope, I'm indeed connected to some greater Source).

These threads are overlapping but I see now what your 'hope' is. I can run with the concept of a greater source. In fact that has been the source concept of my argument. The only difference in our concepts is that you think in terms of connected to, whereas I think in terms of we already are but don't know it.

I disagree completely; while nothing in my life experience supports my (purely speculative) alternative models, neither does any of it expressly forbid them. I simply don't and can't know either way because I'm presently stuck inside a perceptual box.

Are you dead already?

I don't know your views on life after death; do you believe that when we're dead, it's over and done, no continuation of any sort?

I simply don't know and cannot know until I'm in the box. regards

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by torilink

The only way I could know for certain that you are independently real, is to experience your inner being or awareness as the identity of Maguru.

I'm referring to my existence as a human not my character or my identity. Just my existence.

Since I cannot do that, I can assume (based upon a belief in "Others") that you have a separate independent reality from myself. Just because I assume that or choose to belief that, doesn't make it true.

How does this belief in others manifest as written communication? Have you considered that it maybe true?

Can you know what/who you are truly? Or are you simply who you believe yourself to be? Then you'd have to ask, just because I believe this about my "Self" does it make it true?

I believe you can only truly know yourself intimately when you know you have created every aspect of your beingness.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Judge

I don't believe in giving up materialism, because then we just attach our ego to spiritualism, which is the same thing, but without the money

I think when people get frustrated with not being aware they can manifest abundance, they just decide that they will now look down on it like it is beneath them. Then they start talking about how materialistic our culture is, there's more to life than money, and people shouldn't be wasting their money on crap that isn't important. And then they have thousands of years of beliefs like "money is the root of all evil" to back them up.

Then at that point you are supposed to look up at them like they are more evolved and they become more self-righteous and there's just this feeling of guilt and feeling less than that pervades everything.
This is probably even a battle I've had within myself for years.

But now I am not above having money. I know what I will use it for: enjoying life. Being creative. Feel-good stuff. Not rat-race stuff.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Well, for example, I might assume that you're clean because I can't sense that you're not.

Senses don't put assumptions like that in your head. You can't use a negative sense or no sense to prove a positive. Assumptions of that kind would be totally in the head and nothing to do with experience.

Now if you saw me you might assume I'm clean but my house may be filthy, in which case your assumption would be wrong but at least you would have had a basis for the assumption.

However, if my senses were different, eg my sense of smell was as sharp as a dog, I might not make that same assumption.

We are all limited by our senses. Wherever you are, there is a huge universe of data fluctuating all around you. For instance, radio waves with song and words and voices and information are passing through you, but you can't sense any of that. Your chakras are radiating different colours at different intensities and they say a lot about you, but you can't sense any of that (unless you're psychic).

You can sense only what you can sense, and whatever you can sense becomes the basis for your reality. You simply assume that what you sense is "reality".

If you sensed differently, then reality would be different.

But we don't sense differently. We all have the same senses.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Maguru

But we don't sense differently. We all have the same senses.

Of course not.

You're female, aren't you? You probably perceive colour differently from me, as you have a 4th photopigment in your eye which I lack. (Cognitive Daily: Do women perceive color differently from men?)

I have had some musical training. If you have not, then there's a good chance that I can detect small differences in the frequency of sound that you cannot.

Have you ever seen a blind person read Braille? Let me assure you that your sense of touch is nowhere as acute as his.

Erin senses ghosts and spirits and can communicate with them. Can you?

My grandmother can tell when it's going to rain. Her bones ache. That's how she senses impending weather changes. Can you do the same?

Take a walk with an experienced nature guide or hunter through a forest. I assure you that he senses lots and lots of information around him, that you will not.

Etc etc.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Of course not.

You're female, aren't you? You probably perceive colour differently from me, as you have a 4th photopigment in your eye which I lack. (Cognitive Daily: Do women perceive color differently from men?)

I have had some musical training. If you have not, then there's a good chance that I can detect small differences in the frequency of sound that you cannot.

Have you ever seen a blind person read Braille? Let me assure you that your sense of touch is nowhere as acute as his.

These are all physical senses. I am aware that a lack in one of the senses can enhance another but it's still not super human or animal.

Erin senses ghosts and spirits and can communicate with them. Can you?

This sense is outside our normal physical senses so how does she sense them?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Maguru

This sense is outside our normal physical senses

Whether a sense is "normal" or "abnormal" is really your own opinion, that is, a concept.

Eg you might say that a sense is "normal" if at least x% of the general human population have it at least y% of the time, to z extent.

X, y and z are all your own concepts.

What constitutes the "general human population" is also up for debate.