Is the Law of Attraction giving people a false belief of God?

[pch340]

First off, to start, I do not believe "God," or the specific image of God, made by the Bible, exists. I haven't believed in God for a while, but one thing has always gotten to me: the happening of miracles/prayers being fulfilled.
I have always been taught that in order for a prayer to come true, you have to consistently ask God for it, have the feeling of love and happiness, and most importantly, you have to have the mindset that your praying is definitely going to work and have a positive outcome.
It's a long shot, but is it possible that extremely religious people have the mind frame that their prayer is going to work 100%, and the law of attraction fulfills their "prayer," through constant projection of their thought, and the thought that it will definitely work.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[Acting Like Godot]

In my experience, a firm belief in God is not essential for the deliberate and successful use of the Law of Attraction. However, a firm belief in God would be helpful.

Whether God actually exists or not is a separate question.

One possible answer is that It does exist, but It is indifferent to whether you believe in it or not; or what name you choose to address It by. It will simply respond naturally and consistently to your thoughts, on an ongoing basis.

[cylon]

First of all, if by extremely religious you mean Christian, then I doubt you'd find many here. I don't think Christianity looks kindly on a belief system that says believers and non-believers alike can receive the gifts of abundance without being saved. LOA doesn't have any of that stuff. Although, the concept of LOA is in just about every religious writing, including the new testament. Ask and it is given, that sort of thing.

But something to consider is that the Law of Attraction is just a name for a phenomenon that goes like this: we attract (or create) what we think about. That's it. That's all it says.

The "law" (assuming you believe in it) just works, that's why it's called a law. The way in which people THINK it works, varies from person to person.

Some say you need to believe 100% and have faith. Others say, as long as you had the thought at all, it's a done deal. You don't need to believe it. It's just where your focus is.

There are plenty of people like myself who have completely rejected any notion of any "god" who is outside of us.

I think the general consensus here is that life is just way more complex and simple and interesting than we ever thought before, and it's interesting to make new discoveries. I also think the general consensus here is that there is no outside "god" looking down on us and judging us, or deciding if we deserve this or that.

I guess the question is, why does it bother you? Are you interested in LOA or are you more worried that the concept of religion has taken on a dangerous new form in the world called LOA?

[pch340]

I think you guys missed my point. I was trying to explain that because its always working, people may believe its another force (God), and they'll assume that their prayer is working.
To answer your question, I'm worried that people might be mistaking the LOA for "God's interference", and its just going to keep dragging on this belief in a higher power until people finally realize what the **** they've been doing their entire life.

[Wax Frog]

Unless such belief is causing demonstrable harm (which would lead to a separate line of conversation), I'd want to know why it even matters. Everyone has their own ideas about God/god, which to me only goes to show it's an open question.

[pch340]

I'm not saying religion is causing anyone harm, religion, if anything, betters lives, generally speaking. If people saw no overall improvement in their lives, why would they follow it?
The problem is you can't have people thinking something is what it isn't. If the LOA is actually fulfilling people's prayers, instead of God, wouldn't it be better to have a society where people actually knew the truth, instead of thinking their "miracle" came from something it didn't. Then they could decide if they still wanted to follow the religion or not.

just my thoughts

[cylon]

Originally Posted by pch340

I think you guys missed my point. I was trying to explain that because its always working, people may believe its another force (God), and they'll assume that their prayer is working.
To answer your question, I'm worried that people might be mistaking the LOA for "God's interference", and its just going to keep dragging on this belief in a higher power until people finally realize what the **** they've been doing their entire life.

Could be. But at the end of the day, does it really matter? People have to make their own choices in life, have their own beliefs. Everyone is on their own individual path. Live and let live.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by pch340

I think you guys missed my point. I was trying to explain that because its always working, people may believe its another force (God), and they'll assume that their prayer is working.

But their prayer IS working.

Prayer is after all a form of thought. And thoughts create.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by pch340

First off, to start, I do not believe "God," or the specific image of God, made by the Bible, exists. I haven't believed in God for a while, but one thing has always gotten to me: the happening of miracles/prayers being fulfilled.
I have always been taught that in order for a prayer to come true, you have to consistently ask God for it, have the feeling of love and happiness, and most importantly, you have to have the mindset that your praying is definitely going to work and have a positive outcome.
It's a long shot, but is it possible that extremely religious people have the mind frame that their prayer is going to work 100%, and the law of attraction fulfills their "prayer," through constant projection of their thought, and the thought that it will definitely work.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Keep looking outside for god, science and others to help you undertake responsibility.

Is the Law of Attraction giving people a false belief of God?

Forget the other people.

Is it giving you a false belief?

When you wake up tomorrow you have a choice.

You are god

You are not god.

Everything in between is worse than not being god.

Judge

PS The word god is a pointer, not a religious reference.

[dancer]

Originally Posted by Judge

The word god is a pointer, not a religious reference.

What does "God" point to? That I am responsibile for everything in my reality? This I can accept, but the following quote sends me into total unconsciousness.

You are god.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by dancer

What does "God" point to? That I am responsibile for everything in my reality? This I can accept,

Then accept it and stop asking.

but the following quote sends me into total unconsciousness.

You are god
You are
What is you?

I say....you are god.

You say...I am

Say that enough and you won't have to say it any longer.

Can you be the space for all that is in you awareness?

I am.

Remember the only thing that exists is you right now. I exist in your awareness as you require me to be. I am of your creation. I will help and hinder you as so you desire.

Judge

[dancer]

Originally Posted by Judge

Remember the only thing that exists is you right now.

Then why bother with the labels, such as: I am God?

I exist in your awareness as you require me to be. I am of your creation. I will help and hinder you as so you desire.

You help. Thank you for your posts.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by dancer

Then why bother with the labels, such as: I am God?

I didn't create the labels...........you did

Do you really think I exist, outside of your awareness?

How strange.

Judge

[pch340]

Originally Posted by Judge

Keep looking outside for god, science and others to help you undertake responsibility.

Is the Law of Attraction giving people a false belief of God?

Forget the other people.

Is it giving you a false belief?

When you wake up tomorrow you have a choice.

You are god

You are not god.

Everything in between is worse than not being god.

Judge

PS The word god is a pointer, not a religious reference.

This really isn't as complicated as me being God and not God. Most people are born into believing that they have to follow the Bible, otherwise they will burn forever in flames. While following the Bible may give most people a better life in the long run, shouldn't everyone know the truth, instead of letting people follow blindly, not knowing whats going on? I just think that if there is no "God" then the world should stop living in ignorance and know.

PS: Yes, the word God is a pointer, as are all words, but it points to a religious reference.

[JMononoetoe]

Originally Posted by pch340

This really isn't as complicated as me being God and not God. Most people are born into believing that they have to follow the Bible, otherwise they will burn forever in flames. While following the Bible may give most people a better life in the long run, shouldn't everyone know the truth, instead of letting people follow blindly, not knowing whats going on? I just think that if there is no "God" then the world should stop living in ignorance and know.

Being God or not being God is not very complicated at all. In fact, it is a very simple question. Just be it, or don't. Do what's feels good to you. I myself don't believe in God, nor do I believe that I'm this superholy Godlike person. I just am, and that's it. I'm not less, I'm not more. I am.
(That is the truth I know, however, ego gets in the way sometimes)

Also, following the Bible does not give people a better life in the long run. Only the people themselves can do that, perhaps using teachings from the Bible. People without the Bible do just as fine.

PS: Yes, the word God is a pointer, as are all words, but it points to a religious reference.

What's the difference between a normal reference and a religious reference? I don't see any

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by pch340

I'm worried that people might be mistaking the LOA for "God's interference", and its just going to keep dragging on this belief in a higher power until people finally realize what the **** they've been doing their entire life.

Originally Posted by pch340

I'm not saying religion is causing anyone harm

If not, then why worry about the God/LoA connection being made? I'm not quite getting your point, maybe.

I think that if there is no "God" then the world should stop living in ignorance and know.

If you mean there's no angry bearded giant on a cloud throne, I'm with you 100%.

On the other hand, I've no idea of your stance on the existence of a transcendent reality, so I'll anticipate either position on your part. If there is none, then any such discussion as this is pointless; what good would LoA be to a 'meat robot', God or not? If otherwise, then again I say it's impossible to be certain that there is no higher power of any sort. Even a Matrix-monitoring sysop nerd would qualify as God for the purpose of my argument - can you tell me with total conviction such a person doesn't exist?

Just for the record, here's my own position, simplified for brevity's sake: while I have no concrete belief at the moment, I do have a strong intuitive sense/suspicion of a higher power of some sort. I also keep my "Christian option" open, maybe because my childhood experience of the religion was upbeat, unforced and flexible, and because (again assuming this universe isn't some random mechanical thing) I was meant to experience it in a comparatively positive way for some sound reason.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by pch340

I just think that if there is no "God" then the world should stop living in ignorance and know.

Good luck pulling that one off.

[mercuryrising]

What if it is the other way around: what if there is a real God who is running things and when a person prays or meditates, they are connecting with this real God. And, maybe, when stuff manifests it is God working through that person.

Maybe it is just whatever theory makes sense to you. From my experience, anytime I have believed that I am God, I discover rather quickly just how not-God I am.

And also, when I believe I am just a human being, a grain of dust in the sands of the universe, the more God-like I become.

[elsasq]

Personally, I believe in God.

One of the reasons why people bash about all the LOA stuffs is that it seems that we are our own gods. It doesn't have to be that way if they really learn about it, and if they really learn about their religions.

In my belief, it is said that if you are grateful, then God will give you more; could be money, happiness, health, etc. The same as LOA. There's nothing wrong with it.

My oppinion is that people must have strong belief in their own religion, so they will not be tempted to leave God when they are applying LOA.

[jeff3]

Is the Law of Attraction giving people a false belief of God?


Are any beliefs "true" in an absolute sense?

You have made an assumption within your question, that belief in god is false. Greater minds have already concluded that the existence of GOD can neither be proved or disproved. If our realities are totally subjective, as some feel they are, we actually create god on an individual and collective basis and that creation is just as real as your creating "no god". If, on the other hand, there are objective truths, God may be one of them or in the case of polytheism, many of them.

In light of this, your question, as it is currently phrased, cannot be accurately answered.

[seirwyn]

[QUOTE=pch340;305691]This really isn't as complicated as me being God and not God. Most people are born into believing that they have to follow the Bible, otherwise they will burn forever in flames. While following the Bible may give most people a better life in the long run, shouldn't everyone know the truth, instead of letting people follow blindly, not knowing whats going on? I just think that if there is no "God" then the world should stop living in ignorance and know.

QUOTE]

I agree, I think you are saying that people are wasting their lives following a system that enslaves them so they cant really enjoy their life because of fear of getting it wrong. I am a spiritual seeker and what I have found about God is that he/she isnt like this at all. God is about abundance and happiness and freedom from fear so I dont feel like I am wasting my life like I would do if I followed the fundamental 'shout at the sinners' type of christianity.
The sad fact is that you are right, lot of peoples lives are lived in misery because they are trapped in religion. The real God isnt like this at all. Although I still beleive that justice will come to people who are full of hatred and show no remorse, I dont beleive it will last forever.

[magi13]

Yes, since God does not exist, the people coined in the term LOA which is neither a law or but just random coincidences that occur in our life.

It gives false hopes to the uninitiated.

But of course this is just my experience.

To make it work, intention must be followed by action.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by magi13

To make it work, intention must be followed by action.

As I have already explained to you, your statement is false.

Among many other examples, in the course of hypnotherapy, a person's thoughts easily produces effects which require no further action on his part.

[Holistic Star]

Originally Posted by pch340

Most people are born into believing that they have to follow the Bible, otherwise they will burn forever in flames.

Just want to tell you about my experience, you might find it interesting

I used to go to Sunday School by choice when I was 10 because my friends went there and it was something to do. It was mostly fun and games, rather than learning about religion.

I remember very clearly my dad telling me that I didn't HAVE to go to church, and I didn't HAVE to believe in god and that I shouldn't ever be scared of anything religion said and he would really challenge me to think about anything that was said about god to make me think for myself.

He was more afraid of me growing up religious than not!

But then I met all these LOA types and now see what's happened

[magi13]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

As I have already explained to you, your statement is false.

Among many other examples, in the course of hypnotherapy, a person's thoughts easily produces effects which require no further action on his part.

This is where you're wrong, the action of the therapist is influence the other person. ^^,

The recipient as always is influenced by that stimulus. There is a cause and effect, an action and a reaction.

LOA does not work without action.

your statement was false then, it is false now.

[magic1]

it dosnt matter what story you wrap around LOA...whether it be praying to god, or my own personal story...the universe and angels...the way it operates is the same...ask and ye shall recive, with faith...very simple and very effective...

[SimonaRich]

Yes, of course. When you have absolute faith that something will happen, it will.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by magi13

..the action of the therapist is influence the other person.

Well, actually, it's not what the hypnotherapist says, it's what the hypnotized person does with what the hypnotherapist says thoughtwise, either consciously or unconsciously, that makes the difference.

In the training that I'm currently in, I've been watching as problems just disappear -- POOF! -- in an instant, as the person does something as simple as accepting a thought, trying on a new perspective (consciously or unconsciously), or changing the order of their habitual thoughts.

Yes, technically all of those things are action -- you are doing something -- and it's not what's normally thought of as "taking action." You are just sitting there, in your chair, listening to what I say, allowing yourself to relax. And doing whatever you're doing inside your head. To me, this is massive action, although to an outsider (or to certain personal development gurus' aficianados), it might appear to be sittin' around doin' nuthin'.

[magi13]

But you do agree there is a cause and effect, the action of the hypnotherapy with respect to the hypnotized resulting into someone's good recovery.

[magic1]

Originally Posted by dancer

What does "God" point to? That I am responsibile for everything in my reality? This I can accept, but the following quote sends me into total unconsciousness.

Same here! isn't it gorgeous