Sigil Magick

[intellisyte]

Has anyone tried using sigil magick in their manifestations? I know the term magick kind of gives it a dark artsy appearance. I think it seems to based on basic visualization practices. Any comments....

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by intellisyte

Has anyone tried using sigil magick in their manifestations? I know the term magick kind of gives it a dark artsy appearance. I think it seems to based on basic visualization practices. Any comments....

Yes, highly effective.

There are many variations, ranging from the classic glyph to complex drawings. In a nutshell, you condense a statement of desire into a "seed" and plant it into the ideosphere where it then gestates for a period of time and grows into physical reality. It is actually a very old concept that has been changed to keep up with the times and adapted for use with new technology. The beginner can have immediate success, especially if they use archetypal images that are already firmly embedded in the collective unconscious. It is not simply visualizing or gazing at a symbol, various methods are used to slip the symbol past the "psychic sensor", that part of our consciousness that seeks to maintain continuity and strongly resists change. Often the results are dramatic and very fast. One of those things where the warning "careful what you ask for" definitely applies.

If you choose to look into it just remember you don't need to buy into the "occult" angle, it's not new or new agey,not airy fairy, not a path to spiritual enlightenment, or a light-worker/dark-worker thing, it's a tool, like a hammer, to get things done. Like anything else, research will help you out a lot.

[intellisyte]

Jeff3, you rock man! I look at things with an open mind and didn't look at this as some occult method to get what you wanted. I plan on doing more research on it and will most likely work it into my usual things like my vision board and the like. I appreciate the feedback.....G

[brandongilbert]

sigils are powerful things.

look at the logos of major corporations.. those are certaily sigils.

sigils speak directly to the subconscious mind, thus they are powerful marketing tools.

[Lemon Juice]

Hi all,
I haven't heard of sigils until now and this topic got me interested. Jeff3, do you have any experience with them? It would be fun to try them out but I'm wondering if it's possible to use a sigil upon a subject that we also consciously work with on a daily basis. I have read that after implanting a sigil we need to forget it and the subject as well. But if I have a goal, for example I want to make some amount of money in order to buy a car and I remind myself every day about this goal and take consistent steps to achieve it combined with some visualizations then will that not kill the manifestation process invoked by the sigil? It seems weird to me that I would need to get the car out of my head in such a case. If I used sigils for all of my goals then what should I be doing every day? Lying around watching TV and waiting for the sigils to work?

[intellisyte]

Lemon juice, I don't know if you need to forget the goal as much as to forget the sigil. If you want to try one out, think of something you might not normally see, make your statement, draw your sigil, and forget about it. Make it something different like a see a man in a white suit jacket. Nothing too far out, but what you might not see everyday. Then just start thinking of new things to do a sigil for a little at a time. As for the car, do a sigil for the money, forget about that, but keep wanting the car.

[TonyToneTone]

Originally Posted by jeff3

Yes, highly effective.

There are many variations, ranging from the classic glyph to complex drawings. In a nutshell, you condense a statement of desire into a "seed" and plant it into the ideosphere where it then gestates for a period of time and grows into physical reality.

I actually like the concept of this. Just the image it produces and the faith it creates is powerful. What a powerful image to send to yourself. "I have planted my desire and it is now manifesting".

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Lemon Juice

Hi all,
I haven't heard of sigils until now and this topic got me interested. Jeff3, do you have any experience with them? It would be fun to try them out but I'm wondering if it's possible to use a sigil upon a subject that we also consciously work with on a daily basis. I have read that after implanting a sigil we need to forget it and the subject as well. But if I have a goal, for example I want to make some amount of money in order to buy a car and I remind myself every day about this goal and take consistent steps to achieve it combined with some visualizations then will that not kill the manifestation process invoked by the sigil? It seems weird to me that I would need to get the car out of my head in such a case. If I used sigils for all of my goals then what should I be doing every day? Lying around watching TV and waiting for the sigils to work?

I have lots of experiences as it is my preferred method for over 7 years.

Forgetting is important with this method because it prevents you from constantly changing the images associated with the desire. Much like a seed, you plant and move on. When the proper time to act occurs you will be compelled to act, not decide to act, it will be easy and natural, so natural you may not realize until later what is going on.

The important thing is that you are not simply drawing a picture and looking at it, you must gaze or visualize the glyph while in a state of mental vacuity, this is the "straight and narrow gate", many seek it but few find it. It is an elusive state of consciousness that must be reached for this process to produce the fantastic results that I've mentioned. The ironic thing, for this forum anyway, is that "Smart People" often have the greatest difficulty with this because they must "lose it to find it", it simply is counterintuitive to think that you must...not think.

[Lemon Juice]

Originally Posted by intellisyte

Make it something different like a see a man in a white suit jacket. Nothing too far out, but what you might not see everyday. Then just start thinking of new things to do a sigil for a little at a time. As for the car, do a sigil for the money, forget about that, but keep wanting the car.

Yes, definitely I will need to experiment with different subjects. As to the car it seems reasonable to do a sigil for the car only. The thing I want to understand is the difference between visualization and sigils. When visualizing it is advisable to do the visualization often in order to remember the vision so that it finally becomes our second nature, then the manifestation occurs - well, at least for 'big' subjects it is advisable since we need to make a huge leap in our vibration. And it works, I have used it and tested it so I know. I am curious what would happen if I combined such visualization with a sigil - will these clash somehow or the sigil will be ineffective? With one method I need to remember while with the other forget.

Jeff3, do you know of some sources of information about how to use sigils? I have found this page Sigil Magic - it seems to be well written in a concise way. If you have some tips on using sigils I would be very grateful.

Originally Posted by jeff3

The important thing is that you are not simply drawing a picture and looking at it, you must gaze or visualize the glyph while in a state of mental vacuity, this is the "straight and narrow gate", many seek it but few find it. It is an elusive state of consciousness that must be reached for this process to produce the fantastic results that I've mentioned.

That's what I'd like to understand better, what kind of state it is. Is it a meditative state? Deep relaxation? Alpha state? State of no thought? I have read about a "death posture" and also reaching an orgasm while staring at the sigil.

When the sigil has been implanted is it best to throw it away or to keep it in a visible place?

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Lemon Juice

Jeff3, do you know of some sources of information about how to use sigils? I have found this page Sigil Magic - it seems to be well written in a concise way. If you have some tips on using sigils I would be very grateful.


That's what I'd like to understand better, what kind of state it is. Is it a meditative state? Deep relaxation? Alpha state? State of no thought? I have read about a "death posture" and also reaching an orgasm while staring at the sigil.

When the sigil has been implanted is it best to throw it away or to keep it in a visible place?

Any writings by Austin Osman Spare, b. 1886 d. 1956, on the subject would be good information, he is considered the best authority on the subject.

The method of reaching a state of mental vacuity will vary according to your tastes and you should pick one that you feel OK with. It can be done through meditation but takes patience because you must pass through the states that most are familiar with when meditating to reach the place that seems like a large, empty, and cold room. I am not a fan of pain so I shy away from the painful techniques. Google is your friend, read all you can and sift out the things that keep showing up because there are many "opinions" mixed in with the real experience.

I keep some of my drawings in a drawer and others I throw away, mainly the ones I keep are the ones that turn out to look like a piece of art and I put them out of sight, but more importantly, out of mind. What you do with the piece of paper or whatever medium you use is not as important as what you think about, if your mind wanders to the subject of the sigil and it's results or lack of results your thoughts could alter the seed symbol of your desire. MR Spare ofter warned of "lust for results", If you consider this closely and carefully you will understand DOUBT is the enemy. When you lust or strongly desire results the underlying implication is one of doubt, which is a belief that what you desire will not come to pass, hence, it is destructive to the symbol you have planted into the unconscious. Remember the whole idea of using a symbol is to sneak it past the psychic sensor and avoid internal resistance.


Some people have reported success with putting a glyph in a very conspicuous place like above the TV or PC monitor and over time you actually see it without "seeing" it, I have never tried it because of the time factor involved and possibly having to explain to someone who I'd rather not explain to. Does it work? Ask NIKE or FTD or Coca Cola. Any company logo that is splashed all over the earth will get similar results. The designers most likely approach this from a mundane perspective, but some of us know better.

[Lemon Juice]

Thanks Jeff3 for your explanations. Yes, I have googled on this subject and have found some worthy information from those who practice it.

I keep some of my drawings in a drawer and others I throw away, mainly the ones I keep are the ones that turn out to look like a piece of art and I put them out of sight, but more importantly, out of mind. What you do with the piece of paper or whatever medium you use is not as important as what you think about, if your mind wanders to the subject of the sigil and it's results or lack of results your thoughts could alter the seed symbol of your desire. MR Spare ofter warned of "lust for results", If you consider this closely and carefully you will understand DOUBT is the enemy. When you lust or strongly desire results the underlying implication is one of doubt, which is a belief that what you desire will not come to pass, hence, it is destructive to the symbol you have planted into the unconscious. Remember the whole idea of using a symbol is to sneak it past the psychic sensor and avoid internal resistance.

This sounds in accordance with the law of attraction and how to go about the process of creating, it's only a bit stricter. I suppose if anyone becomes good at sigilization they will also do better using other techniques to create.

I have done my first three sigils and hope to report some positive results soon!

Some people have reported success with putting a glyph in a very conspicuous place like above the TV or PC monitor and over time you actually see it without "seeing" it, I have never tried it because of the time factor involved and possibly having to explain to someone who I'd rather not explain to.

Yes, I am also thinking of doing the same for sigils regarding creation of long term states rather than one-time manifestations. For example I want to be getting better at a certain skill but there's actually no limit to how proficient I can become so I want fast and effective progress. Do you use one-time sigils for such things also?

[Dan.Linehan]

This should be really good for manifesting A's in school and $ signs!

[jeff3]

A link

The Book of Results



the pages contain more than just info on sigils, so disregard at your discretion. Also remember, if you have aversions to occult philosophy, that sigil making is not some form of "black magick" or an evil practice, it is better described as "mind magick" , many of the old writings and even some of the new have occult trappings spread throughout them, this just reflects the respective authors belief systems.

"Chaos magick" is a style of magick that basically borrows from all manner of traditions and is strictly results oriented, they don't get caught up in all the dogma associated with the systems they borrow from. Beliefs are viewed as being just like clothes that you can change for a desired effect, and are not viewed as absolute, not an easy task for the average earthling. We tend to be very attached to our beliefs. I mention this only to point out that sigils are readily employed in CM because they are relatively dogma free, no huge belief system needed to support their use, they simply work.

As mentioned already, start small, build confidence, and actually climb the ladder of success instead of trying to pole vault to the top, the fall can be painful.

[marinik]

After "planting" the first Sigil in your mind, how soon after can you "plant" the next one?

Or do you need the first one to become your reality and then go for the second one?

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by marinik

After "planting" the first Sigil in your mind, how soon after can you "plant" the next one?

Or do you need the first one to become your reality and then go for the second one?

Personally I find better success with several things going on at once, likely because I'm less likely to interfere by spending lots of time dwelling on any particular thing. I would, however, only build up one project at a time, not 2-3 in a day. Your results may vary. The author I mentioned was able to do this stuff "on the fly" and frequently got almost immediate results, he undoubtedly had a natural affinity for it that many have to cultivate, he was like one of those 5 year olds playing Bach, except he was a very adept reality shifter.


Just a tip for stopping the worry and doubt, be pro-active instead of reactive. This applies to all IM techniques, if you wait until you are in a corner you get a great ability to focus, which is good, but often you can't detach from the outcome and you destroy your creation with doubt. Plan ahead, create a life, not react to life. Not only is it more enjoyable, it's more effective.

[marinik]

Thanks Jeff3 and just for the record I ma the Active and not the Reactive type!

[Pequod]

Originally Posted by jeff3

the pages contain more than just info on sigils, so disregard at your discretion. Also remember, if you have aversions to occult philosophy, that sigil making is not some form of "black magick" or an evil practice, it is better described as "mind magick" , many of the old writings and even some of the new have occult trappings spread throughout them, this just reflects the respective authors belief systems.

Interesting Jeff!

Are there any restrictions to the use of sigils? One can use sigil magick to get other people to do stuff, but that would be messing with their lifes isn't it? For example if I use a sigil to attract a certain women that is currently in a (monogamous) relationship with another, it doesn't seem the right thing to do.

What is your take on that?

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Pequod

Interesting Jeff!

Are there any restrictions to the use of sigils? One can use sigil magick to get other people to do stuff, but that would be messing with their lifes isn't it? For example if I use a sigil to attract a certain women that is currently in a (monogamous) relationship with another, it doesn't seem the right thing to do.

What is your take on that?

Morals and ethics are ultimately personal choices. I choose to "live and let live" and "do unto others" . So, since I would not want someone stealing my girlfriend, I would not steal another's. That's my personal choice. Do I think there's some higher law or karma that governs these things? I'm not sure if they are absolute or simply products of my beliefs systems, but yes, I find that I get a "spanking" if I act bad.

[Regan79]

Originally Posted by jeff3

The beginner can have immediate success, especially if they use archetypal images that are already firmly embedded in the collective unconscious.

Hello Jeff,

I don't understand how i can use an archetypal image in a sigil, since every time i look at the sigil, this archetypal image will clearly remind me on a concious level of my goal. For example, suppose i make a sigil cause i want a certain guy to ask me out, then should i draw a sigil which contains the image of a heart in it (the universal symbol of love)? But i thought for the sigil to be effective, it should be abstract and not remind your concious mind about your original intent at all? It should be abstract to surpass your concious mind cause the real intend of the sigil is planted into your subconcious. Please, some explanation would be appreciated.

Regan

[KarenBloop]

Originally Posted by Regan79

Hello Jeff,

I don't understand how i can use an archetypal image in a sigil, since every time i look at the sigil, this archetypal image will clearly remind me on a concious level of my goal. For example, suppose i make a sigil cause i want a certain guy to ask me out, then should i draw a sigil which contains the image of a heart in it (the universal symbol of love)? But i thought for the sigil to be effective, it should be abstract and not remind your concious mind about your original intent at all? It should be abstract to surpass your concious mind cause the real intend of the sigil is planted into your subconcious. Please, some explanation would be appreciated.

Regan

Hi Regan79,

I haven't used sigil magick yet, although i have been doing a lot of research on this subject and i know people personaly who have used and still use this type of magick. So i would like to comment on this and help with a suggestion if that's okay... i suggest(and am wondering.., i heard something like this from a friend) that if you use a color, like the representation of the Aphrodite Olympian goddess of Love and Beauty fro your sigil,... so to not remind you of what it is that your asking for,, instead of drawing a heart, just use the color to represent it i suppose, but since it is a person, maybe the color of the planet Venus itself? (i suggest color pencils would work best hahah) and so you know incase you use this information the color of Venus appears to be red in pictures, but it is most likely yellowish-white.
hope this helped a bit