The Science behind Intention-Manifestation.

[infinitethoughts]

The purpose of this thread is to shed more light on Intention-Manifestation by having people post their more successful methods.
This way there'll be a ready reference available to look up and "compare notes" so to speak.

I'll start.

Some things that I found very interesting.

1) I was amazed when I read an interview with John Lilly. He brought up the concept of "alternity". Here's the quote.

"JOHN: Suddenly the energy came out from above and went straight down my spine and on all sides of me were these divisions like a pie. And I could look down this one and see a certain future and then right over here another future and on and on. So this was alternity that I was sitting in."

DJB: You mean sitting in a place where you see all the infinite possibilities and pathways that can emerge from a particular point in space-time?

JOHN: I don't know if it's infinite. It's sure 360 degrees and each alternative reality was every two degrees or something like that. There were a hell of a lot of them and some that I couldn't ever imagine.
Lilly Interview (2/3rd's down the page)

2) Then I found something called the "Sphere of Availability". (The Art and Practice of Creative Visualization by Ophiel.)
Apparently we have to make our "sphere" bigger and bigger to create bigger and bigger things. Apparently we have to take into account our "Sphere of Availability". Could this be why some manifestations work and others don't. Or why some people can create "X" and others can't create "X" because it's not yet in their "Sphere of Availability"?
Here's a detailed explanation of it.
Yahoo! Groups

3) Steve brings up the importance of remembering that reality is Subjective and not Objective. This is important. Cause if you think it's Objective you'll be forever banging your head against an immovable force. IE: The "objective universe."

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This thread is not to bash or try and discount Intention-Manifestation. If that's your intention go find another thread to do that ! Or better yet quit the forum.
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So all that said, what are your successful methods?
Post em here so that we can start finding cohesive, repeatable and surefire methods of Intention-Manifestation.

[Akashic_Librarian]

This thread is not to bash or try and discount Intention-Manifestation. If that's your intention go find another thread to do that ! Or better yet quit the forum.

Haha (look at underlined words)


In my opinion there is still a lot we don't understand about the true nature of IM. For example the best way to visualize, the correct feelings to have, the correct body position (lol)

I feel that it works best for me when I feel the NEED. Not the want, the NEED.

I feel it burn through every nerve of my being and consume me in its power, I just feel it all collide and explode outwards. In that moment I feel a connection with Source or God or The Universe, Great A'Tuin (Discworld (world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) )

Thats when I believe my desires are manifested right now. And I let the feeling go.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Haha (look at underlined words)


In my opinion there is still a lot we don't understand about the true nature of IM. For example the best way to visualize, the correct feelings to have, the correct body position (lol)

I feel that it works best for me when I feel the NEED. Not the want, the NEED.

I feel it burn through every nerve of my being and consume me in its power, I just feel it all collide and explode outwards. In that moment I feel a connection with Source or God or The Universe, Great A'Tuin (Discworld (world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) )

Thats when I believe my desires are manifested right now. And I let the feeling go.

I would just slightly adjust that to say intead of "NEED" I think it's more of a "MUST". When I know something "MUST" happen, it will. When I "NEED" something to happen it's still not a strong enough intention.

Like "I need to lose some fat." is not as strong for me as "I must lose fat now."

Just a small distinction I found works for me.

Actually even one step further I just go to "I *AM* losing fat now."



Paul

[Maxwell]

So quit the forum if you don't whole heartedly believe in I-M? Do you believe that questioning anything is bad or just questioning IM? What makes IM beyond doubt? How am I to gain anything from IM if I have questions about it that go unanswered? Your attitude is very cult-like.

[skydust]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Actually even one step further I just go to "I *AM* losing fat now."

lol

i do that too.

[ReallyGoodIdeas]

Another step further:

I am becoming trim, taut and terrific!

(more positive )

Joy and vibrant health to you!!
Hazel

[skydust]

Originally Posted by ReallyGoodIdeas

Another step further:

I am becoming trim, taut and terrific!

(more positive )

Joy and vibrant health to you!!
Hazel

actually, i have found that stating that you are becoming something will just keep you endlessly becoming that, never BEING that. i like to call this the endless state of becoming. you will always be heading towards your goal but it will always be just out of your reach. becoming is an illusion. we already are all that we wish to be.

[infinitethoughts]

Good insights.....keep em coming.

[infinitethoughts]

BTW- Anybody have experience or info about 'discreating' your beliefs? Avatar group talks about this a bit.

[Adam]

Symbolism helps me a lot. When I speak the intentions, I form symbols of the concepts I'm trying to attract in my mind's eye. When I'm doing creative visualizations, the landscape is fairly littered with symbols that I've chosen very carefully.

I'm going to try a thirty day experiment soon of making physical symbols to represent the objects that I'm trying to attract... If we are in a subjective reality, and the physical realm is made up of our dominant thoughts, then it would follow logically that creating a physical symbol would also create what we are using for our intentions.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'll be using two different thirty day trials to test physical symbols; one with ritual and one without.

The first test will be to intend gathering loyal visitors to my blog... I'll create paper dolls, a theater, and on the stage will be a representation of my server. Each day, I'll make five dolls to represent my loyal visitors (I estimate that I only have about 10 loyal visitors) for the thirty days.

I'm still working out the details of the second test, though I want to make it as similar to the first as possible. I'll be doing it with a different target, rather than my blog, so that I can separate out the results. The ritual will be simple; as I create each doll, I'll give it a name and a (healthy) purpose. When I put each doll in the theater, I'll do a ritual that shows it finding an answer to help its purpose and wanting to come around again whenever there is another showing. (I'll probably use Jeff Lilly's blog, druidjournal.net)

The first 'showing' will be tonight, and I'll try my hardest to *not* draw conclusions until after each trial period is over, so sorry folks, but you'll have to wait a month to see the results.

[infinitethoughts]

Another thing that I've just been reminded, (which I totally forgot) by reading Steve's blogs, has to do with beliefs.

Finding out if you have any "holding back" beliefs is crucial if you wanna be successful in I-M.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Another thing that I've just been reminded, (which I totally forgot) by reading Steve's blogs, has to do with beliefs.

Finding out if you have any "holding back" beliefs is crucial if you wanna be successful in I-M.

Abso-fricken-lutely. This is a MAJOR key. At one point in my life I was getting really annoyed at how I was unable to manifest any extra money to invest. I could make more money, but I'd always spend it. I was not able to save anything that I could later invest. THen one day I was thinking about what I would do with the money *IF* I had it to invest. For example, would I invest it in a mutual fund or stocks or what? All of a sudden a little light came on and I realized that I had no IDEA what I would invest the money in if I had some, because I always assumed I would figure that out later, once I had the money. Now instead, I focused on studying investment techniques for investing lets say $10k or $100k of money. Shortly after that, once I knew exactly what I would do with the extra money, I was able to manifest it much easier than before.

It turns out my beliefs about investing money once I had it were holding me back. It's like when overweight people can't lose weight becuase they they have a belief that they won't know how to shop for clothes if they become skinny. Maybe they've never been in a "skinny people" store.

Beliefs are are KEY to the process.

[Kristoffer]

Originally Posted by impaul99

All of a sudden a little light came on and I realized that I had no IDEA what I would invest the money in if I had some, because I always assumed I would figure that out later, once I had the money. Now instead, I focused on studying investment techniques for investing lets say $10k or $100k of money. Shortly after that, once I knew exactly what I would do with the extra money, I was able to manifest it much easier than before.

This is the same way I use I-M! There is no mystery to it, just a very goal orientated way of thinking.

Originally Posted by Maxwell

So quit the forum if you don't whole heartedly believe in I-M? Do you believe that questioning anything is bad or just questioning IM? What makes IM beyond doubt? How am I to gain anything from IM if I have questions about it that go unanswered? Your attitude is very cult-like.

@MAX: I am sorry if you feel that someone is trying to over sell I-M to you. Scepticism is very healthy. I do not think everyone here need to agree on this. Earlier I asked why some people got so angry with people believing in I-M, now I am even more surprised that the "believers" are pushing out the sceptics.

For me I-M is a tool to use when it is handy or needed. It is not a religion or a belief system to be wholly understood inside and out. I think the best approach is to try to use it in practice before trying to understand everything about it.

[Radical]

There is no science behind IM, it's nothing more than wishful thinking wrapped up in mysticism and pseudoscientific claims. It really is no different from prayer, except God is called Universe.

[Kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Radical

There is no science behind IM,

You are right. There is no science behind it. But can it still work?

[JHL]

You are right. There is no science behind it. But can it still work?

The fact that there may be no science behind something doesnt affect its efficacy at all if it is valid - gravity stubbornly operated long before science came around to explaining it. Life and a multitude of other things in our universe continue to operate in the scientific dark.

I would say its quite shortsighted and premature for anyone to suggest that something cant be true because there's no science currently behind it. It could be because its bogus, or it could just mean nobody has invested any dollars in pursuing the science behind it yet, or it could be that our science is not advanced enough yet.

To write it off as unscientific and therefore nonsense simply because one cant find proof of it in a science journal is clearly premature. It reminds me of a story I read about critics of the Wright brothers. Even after reports of that first flight took place, engineering communities around the country blasted the reports as scurrilous nonsense and continued to assert that it was a scientifically impossible feat. Tsk! Tsk!

But having said that I also think its a responsible approach to hold these things up to the light and give them the proper scrutiny. I'm all for some healthy skepticism.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Radical

There is no science behind IM.

Ahhh, in that way it sounds remarkably similar to law, economics, accountancy, sociology, history, political science, philosophy, literature, art, public administration, business administration .... and a dozen other disciplines you could get a PhD from Cambridge or Harvard in.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Abso-fricken-lutely. This is a MAJOR key. ......

Beliefs are are KEY to the process.

impaul99, thanks for the story and thanks Kristoffer for the input.

It's funny. I used to really know all this stuff inside out, ten years ago.......then I got married....sort of let it slide on the way side, if you know what I mean.

Yeah....Beliefs are Huge in the process.

What I'm hoping to happen with this thread, is to get all the input and then write a sort of "list" of the major components in I-M.

Originally Posted by Radical

There is no science behind IM, it's nothing more than wishful thinking wrapped up in mysticism and pseudoscientific claims. It really is no different from prayer, except God is called Universe.

Radical.
1) Unfortunately there is a science behind I-M. In fact there's a science behind any field you can think of. You're making the mistake that because I use the word science, you think I mean the general scientific field.

Here are several definitions of the word science:
1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: IE the mathematical sciences. (Or the science of studying thought. My edit.)

2. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.

I-M is a fact. It's demonstrated by people. Radical, you think all these people on this board and hundreds of others are making all this up?

That said. I hope we can now drop the reason why I chose the word Science in my thread.

2) I'm noticing your posts are up 373. That's a helluva lot of posts....and you still don't understand I-M?

What are you having such a hard time understanding about this process?

[infinitethoughts]

One method to address holding-back-beliefs.

Write out your goal.
Then see if you feel any belief holding it back.
Find it.
Write it out.
Then below it in BOLD letters write the solution.
(The brain locks in on the bold letters.)

As an example, say someone found out they have a holding-back-belief when they are intending for a new job.

Example:
--Worry about going into the new job/situation.
I now Focus on the positive aspects of the new job/situation, more pay, better location, etc.
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Keep doing this until you've gotton rid of all holding-back-beliefs.
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[Cynic]

The title is : The _Science_ behind I-M_

Science is open to evidence. You have established the this thread is only

"... not to bash or try and discount Intention-Manifestation. If that's your intention go find another thread to do that ! Or better yet quit the forum."



Oooooooo, unfriendly! You speak of science, yet want no negative evidence.

What I think you desire is a cheerleading squad.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Cynic

The title is : The _Science_ behind I-M_

Science is open to evidence. You have established the this thread is only

"... not to bash or try and discount Intention-Manifestation. If that's your intention go find another thread to do that ! Or better yet quit the forum."



Oooooooo, unfriendly! You speak of science, yet want no negative evidence.

What I think you desire is a cheerleading squad.

Your forgetting one thing.
Notice the key words bash or discount ?

If you wanna discuss with an open mind. No problems.

But strangely that doesn't seem to happen here. You get people that flately state I-M doesn't exist, even tho there are record numbers of people proving the experience in their personal lives.

How can one have an intelligent conversation starting from this premise?

And yeah, if you're whole agenda is just to bash or discount I-M, quit.
I mean really, you're not gonna convince everybody here that knows it works?!

But if you have an open mind, want to discuss, are questioning I-M with an open mind, no problems.

[John Wesley]

I want to believe I-M works but I don't see any hard evidence. There are many success stories and personal testimonies but real SCIENTIFIC evidence has many more requirements.

I think it is much more likely that I-M produces positive action, which in turn manifests events. I do not believe there is any unseen force manifesting intentions. It is much more likely that when someone starts using I-M, something good happens, and they believe I-M was the cause. But these coincidences are not science.

Unless you can refer us to a legitimate scientific study of I-M this thread's name should be changed to "Preaching Intention Manifestation".

[Lil Chris]

Unfortunately, science is not the end all of truth and reality... Here's some food for thought from our friendly scientific master... A. Einstein (my favorite)


"The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking." A. Einstein

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." A Einstien

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." A. Einstien

"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." A. Einstien

[infinitethoughts]

John, you don't read previous responses? I already covered the reason why I use the word science.

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Radical.
1) Unfortunately there is a science behind I-M. In fact there's a science behind any field you can think of. You're making the mistake that because I use the word science, you think I mean the general scientific field.

Here are several definitions of the word science:
1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: IE the mathematical sciences. (Or the science of studying thought. My edit.)

2. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.

I-M is a fact. It's demonstrated by people. Radical, you think all these people on this board and hundreds of others are making all this up?

[infinitethoughts]

aaaaaaaaaand back to the thread.

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This book, in my opinion, is an insane book. Awesome!

It'll move your I-M vastly forward.... by tackling your CORE beliefs about yourself, cause if your CORE beliefs are off, your I-M will take longer.

Amazon.com: Before You Think Another Thought: An Illustrated Guide to Understanding How Your Thoughts and Beliefs Create Your Life: Books: Bruce I. Doyle

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[John Wesley]

Science means the empirical study of evidence. Where is that? I'd like to see something along the lines of "they did 100 trials with someone trying to manifest an outcome and it worked is 56 times".

That is science.

And you can count on this being the last post from me, something I'm sure you'll be happy about.

[Debra Moorhead]

Thanks for starting this thread. I have been using the processes in Ask and It Is Given for a little over a month now and I am beginning to manifest things much quicker than before. My husband is wanting me to introduce him to the theory, but we have a problem. He's an opposite thinker. For those who may be unfamiliar, an opposite thinker is someone who, if you put three coins on a table and ask them to describe how those coins are similar, will begin telling you how those coins are in no way similar. (I think we may have had some opposite thinkers in this forum. )

I frequently have to work around this pattern with him as in, instead of asking, "Honey, would you have time to clear the table for me tonight, I'm really busy." I'll ask, "Honey, you wouldn't have time to clear the table for me tonight would you?"

I know it seems subtle and when I first learned about it I was astounded, but one approach gets me a "No" answer and the other a "Yes, of course, Dear."

He is worried about this. I think it's why he frequently gets the opposite of what he wants anyway. After all, the LoA IS constantly working, whether we know it, like it, believe in it, or not.

I plan to purchase "Before You Think Another Thought," thanks for linking to that. Does anyone have any suggestions in the meantime?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by John Wesley

Science means the empirical study of evidence. Where is that? I'd like to see something along the lines of "they did 100 trials with someone trying to manifest an outcome and it worked is 56 times".

That is science.

Okay. Click here to read about various science experiments done over the years by Cambridge University etc, in relation to one particularly powerful manifestator, Mr Manning.

Click here to read about various experiments about how thought alone alters the molecular structure of water crystals.

Click here to read about experiments on one particular form of IM (known as prayer) and its effects on hospital patients etc.

Click here to read studies about how teachers manage to raise the IQ score of their mediocre students, by altering their own beliefs about the capabilities of those students.

Etc etc.

[Dbarker]

Godot,

Excellent resources. I think that when people ask for proof that I-M works they think that it should work for everyone every time. I think that if a person is advanced, that may be true, but for most of us, just as in any other endeavor, the results aren't as dramatic, nor as quick.

[HumbleBeginnings]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Actually even one step further I just go to "I *AM* losing fat now."

Paul

Even one more step further, "I have lost fat." If the psyche keeps hearing this, it will eventually believe it and the universe will do the rest!