Ho'oponopono

[boat]

I was wondering what you guys thought of ho'oponopono? Do any of you practice it?

Self Identity through Ho'oponopono was first popularized by Joe Vitale, in his book Zero Limits. He begins with the story of Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len, who cures a ward of violent mental hospital patients in Hawaii without ever seeing them. He cures them through ho'oponopono.

Basically you say these words to Divinity (God/source/whatever): "I'm sorry, I love you, please forgive me, thank you"
This is suppose to "clean" memories that are in our unconscious. Memories that are causing the trouble that you see before you. The more you clean, the better your life gets.

Also, Dr. Ihaleakla Hew Len emphasizes that one should NOT make intentions (so don't do intentional law of attraction), because we don't know what's best for us because our perceptions are limited. Instead, we should simply clean, and "let go and let God," and God will give us whatever we need.

Anyway, just wondering what you thought of it, and what your guys' experiences with it has been.

So far I feel very peaceful when I do my cleaning, and at some points I've felt extreme joy, but I haven't been at this for long. I also have trouble with the idea that I should not do intention manifestation...

[impaul99]

I enjoyed Zero Limits.

Here are my thoughts on the whole "Don't try to do LoA" because we don't know what's best for us thing.

Someone once told me that there is no point trying to intend anything, no point in trying anything, no point in trying to do anything, but rather to just let go and let God happen in our lives, because God controls everything. Every thought, every action, every breath we take, everything is God. You can't get away from it, God is everywhere in everything and therefore any type of "striving" is just wasted effort because things will just turn out the way they will and we have no control over anything anyways so there is no point trying to desire or strive for anything.

Almost like everything has already been decided. Pre-determinism or whatever you call it. And everything that we think, do and say is all predetermined and for a specific larger purpose only God knows.

I thought about this possibility for a while and it seemed so much more "lazy" to just let things be and trust everything would be taken care of because we have no control over anything at all...not even our thoughts.

But then I came to the following realization. If I am capable of thinking that there is no predeterminism and acting in a way that feels like the actions are my own and the thoughts are my own then:

(1) This person is wrong and I am capable of my own thinking. Or.
(2) I am wrong, and God is thinking those thoughts through me for a specific reason.

Either way, if it's #2 a person can't tell you NOT to think a certain way because our thoughts are not our own, that makes no sense! It's like telling someone "Stop writing on the wall, because that's not you writing!" Well, if it's NOT ME writing then I can't STOP, can I?!

Not sure if this totally applies to Zero Limits, but I think it does. I like the teachings in the book because it talks about taking responsibility for EVERYTHING in your life, and I think that is a MAJOR benefit for LoA practitioners.

[Acting Like Godot]

I have the book "Zero Limits". I bought it; browsed through it briefly, then put it back on my shelf. It belongs to my mental category of books which I am not ready to read, but will be ready to read sometime in the future.

It works like this for me - at any given point, there is:

(1) Mind Stuff that I'm ready for;
(2) Mind Stuff that I'm not ready for;
(3) Mind Stuff that I've learned and outgrown;
(4) Mind Stuff that I've learned but will gain further benefit if I revisit it again in the future.

"Zero Limits" currently belongs to my Category 2. I'm able to see that the kinds of people who are in my life are people whom I've attracted with my thoughts; but I'm not ready yet for the idea that I'm responsible for all of their behaviours & conditions. Therefore "Zero Limits" is in my Category 2 for now.

[boat]

Thanks for your replies, Paul and ALG.

And yes, in ho'oponopono you learn about taking responsibility for everything that happens. This sounds stressful, but Mabel Katz (who works closely with Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len) also emphasizes that one reason she loves the method is that it's selfish - it's just a matter of looking inside you, and independently cleaning, and taking care of yourself first. She says when other people have problems, it's just another way Divinity presents your own problems to you so you have another chance to clean. It's not necessarily your fault. The problem is the various programs and painful memories that are in your unconscious mind and in the universe.

Interesting stuff, to say the least.

Also, Dr. Ihaeakala claims that your perfect life/relationships/job/income etc is at the state of "zero," which is the state you're striving for as you clean. So as you clean, even without your intention, life is suppose to get better in the most perfect way.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I understand it 100%. I think this system requires a lot of faith, but I'll try it for a while and see how it goes.

Yesterday night I cleaned on my grandfathers (my paternal grandfather passed away this summer, while my maternal grandfather is now in the hospital). Then, I cleaned on the way my parents may be feeling about their fathers.

Today I cleaned on the tension and dryness I get around my eyes.

It went away My eyes feel very relaxed now.

[boat]

Oh, and also, Paul, that's an interesting point you brought up there. Either way the question definitely does seem futile.

In the book The User Illusion, research is cited that shows that decisions are made by the mind before our Consciousness can make them/are even aware of them. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean we don't have free will, but it does make the question of free will more complicated.

I haven't looked at the book yet, so I don't know the validity of it, but it sounds interesting.

[wellbeing]

I had not heard that ho'oponopono shouldn't be used for I-M. I find that interesting, because it was through my study of the LoA (and I believe this is true for Joe Vitale too, although I haven't read the book) that I came upon ho'oponopono.

For me, ho'oponopono is a natural complement to the LoA. If I am responsible (not to blame, but responsible) for all that I have attracted to myself, then it's a natural extension for me to apply Dr. Len's attitude of asking "What part of me attracted this condition into my experience?." Having a technique to address the condition in my world (where it's a "problem," BTW) while allowing others their own power of creation is very healing for me. That Dr. Len's experience demonstrates this process can be helpf to these others excites me as a way of making my LoA work a little less "selfish."

The "I love you" portion of the ho'oponopono incantation reconnects us and aligns us with and appreciates our Divine portion. I believe that, the more we "clear" with ho'oponopono (or other techniques), the more likely our intentations are sourced from the Divine (and, therefore, more likely to work for our and the Greater Good) as opposed to our smaller minds. Abraham-Hick's idea of "inspired action" really captures the feeling of this idea for me.

Thank you, boat, for this opportunity to learn more about ho'oponopono. (Curiously enough, as I was drafting this response, I attracted a ho'oponopono-worthy experience. Although it wasn't pleasant, I'm amazed at how all this stuff really works. If you'll excuse me, I have some clearing to do....)

[Wax Frog]

I have nothing to add to this thread; I just like saying "ho'oponoponoponopono"

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I have nothing to add to this thread; I just like saying "ho'oponoponoponopono"

All I want for Christmas is a Hoponoponoponopotaumus...

[Judge]

The concept in a nutshell is subjective reality.

There is only one consciousness.
You are that consciousness
Everything, including all the problems that exist, exist inside your consciousness.

There is no out there, no outer universe.

It's all contained inside your consciousness.

Everything is a projection within your consciousness and that includes all the other people, their thoughts, actions, nature and the planet.

Even I am a projection of your consciousness.

There truly is no seperation.

Judge

PS Of course this means a massive amount of responsibility that no ego desires to claim.

[jopinion]

From an objective viewpoint, if we are responsible for everything that is in our experience then is Ho'oponopono a healing technique allowing us to forgive ourselves of what we have manifested into our experience (whether conscious of it or not)?

Look forward to your answer,
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[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by boat

Oh, and also, Paul, that's an interesting point you brought up there. Either way the question definitely does seem futile.

In the book The User Illusion, research is cited that shows that decisions are made by the mind before our Consciousness can make them/are even aware of them. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean we don't have free will, but it does make the question of free will more complicated.

I haven't looked at the book yet, so I don't know the validity of it, but it sounds interesting.

I have looked into the Ho'oponopono stuff. Here's a web site where I picked up on it:
Success Ultra Now
I think Ho'opononpono is just one of a group on ideas from Huna (an ancient Hawaiian belief system).

Will have to check out "The User Illusion" as I have been posting elsewhere about our thoughts just being after effects or commentary rather than free will. That we are running in an illusion that we have free will.

[wellbeing]

Originally Posted by jopinion

From an objective viewpoint, if we are responsible for everything that is in our experience then is Ho'oponopono a healing technique allowing us to forgive ourselves of what we have manifested into our experience (whether conscious of it or not)?

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Absolutely, jopinion! Whether the condition occurs for you or for another.

[stellasky]

Also, Dr. Ihaleakla Hew Len emphasizes that one should NOT make intentions (so don't do intentional law of attraction), because we don't know what's best for us because our perceptions are limited. Instead, we should simply clean, and "let go and let God," and God will give us whatever we need.

One of the issues I have with LOA is when it doesn't work;
LOA believers seem to feel the reason is due to how specifically the intention was posed, as if one does in fact possess 100% power in the matter.

I believe when you don't get what you intend its because "we don't know what's best for us" hence we don't get it. If we intend what is in align with what is good for us we get it. Who knows what's best for us? Whoever, whatever the creator of the universe is.

I'm not 100% in agreement with the quote "let go and let god" either for the very fact that some may deem this as lazy when taken out of context.
There's more to being spiritual than waiting for God to take care of things..

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by boat

Also, Dr. Ihaleakla Hew Len emphasizes that one should NOT make intentions (so don't do intentional law of attraction), because we don't know what's best for us because our perceptions are limited. Instead, we should simply clean, and "let go and let God," and God will give us whatever we need.

Anyway, just wondering what you thought of it, and what your guys' experiences with it has been.

So far I feel very peaceful when I do my cleaning, and at some points I've felt extreme joy, but I haven't been at this for long. I also have trouble with the idea that I should not do intention manifestation...

The way I understand it is that yes, God does know all and controls all and knows whats best for us but that he/she did give us a brain and emotions and wants and needs etc so he expects us to work in partnership with him and ask for what we want. the times when we dont get what we asked for is when that thing would harm us. but that doesnt mean that we cant ask for stuff and most of the time it will be right for us. But to get around this you should add 'I would like this or something better to come to me.' that way you allow God space to make sure that we get whats right for us.
i agree that we should trust God but I read about this woman who had been praying for a husband for 10 years with no result. When her pastor asked her what kind of man she wanted she just said 'I dont know, its up to God. he knows all.' 'Thats your mistake,' said the pastor. Your'e not being specific enough.' So he taught her how to do the LoA with the lists, visualisation, gratitude, and within a year she had met the man on her list!
I think we make a huge mistake when we sit around on our backsides waiting for God to do stuff when we are perfectly capable of doing part of the work ourselves. When thigs dont happen for us its not God fault, its ours.

BTW, its OK to ask for what you want , not just for what you need. As long as you dont do it in a spoilt brat kind of way, God is very happy to give us great stuff.

[pyrogen]

I think you do often manifest stuff other than what you intended. I've manifested stuff *other* than what I set out to, in the past, simply because what I actually needed to manifest what manifested, and manifesting the *want* created the energy for the *need* to get met.

Example:

I *wanted* to go to Nepal when I was 22.

I put the energy in motion to create enough money to do it.

I ended up landing a very good series of jobs, which got me moved out of my family home and out on my own.

I never went to Nepal.