Judge, tell us more about EGO !

[MacFly]

hello Judge,

first, I wanted to PM you about this but I think I'm not the only one who's interested in the subject.

I read all of your posts cuz' it made me curious about this ego thing. The main reason I want YOUR opinion is because you're the only one who writes these things which I agree, that emotions and thoughts are not everything when you try to manifest something. I know it because I tried it a lot of times, it worked in some cases, but in others not.
here is a statement from you, if you could explain this a little more, I'd be grateful. I don't mean it's not understandable, it's just new to me so I want to know a little bit more details.

"Relax your ego, so you are not resisting anything, just observing.
Take a core belief and believe the opposite to be true.
Imagine the intention to be manifested while supported by that new core belief."

it's an interesting stuff

thank you

[Chris Cade]

I'm not Judge, but will share a bit about my own experiences with ego...

When I view it as a partner that is ultimately trying to protect me, then I feel a lot more at peace and my life goes more smoothly.

A lot of people here these judgmental ego voices... "That's bad" "This is good" "He's ugly" "She's sexy" "I'm fat" "I'm successful"... the list goes on and on. And we believe this ego judgmental voice because it's familiar AND because what it says either helped protect us in the past, or helps protect us today.

So when we can understand how and why it's protecting us, then we're enabled to start changing that belief into something more constructive.

[Judge]

Consciousness (you) has no self concern, so has no limitation, essentially it doesn’t care (emote) about what happens, all experience is valuable regardless of perception.

As consciousness, you can manifest instantly anything you choose. You can see this works in dreams as you are instantly manifesting all sorts of stuff and your ego (dream avatar) is there to validate it via emotion, thought and observation. Consciousness has no self concern…….see that’s the tricky part, because your ego, while a tool for observation, has a quality built into it called self concern.

While this quality is handy for self preservation it is prone to overwhelm the perception of reality with self concern, hence limiting your experience greatly by blocking the unmanifested to the point of creating want you don't seem to want, but as you suffer self concern, it works very well and continues on.

Ego is your observational point of reference. It’s your 5 senses, like a filter for the field of unmanifested energy. As there really is no separation, all your ego does is validate conscious choice via the 5 senses. Now remember consciousness doesn’t have any self concern, it will just choice all sorts of stuff to experience and your ego will validate.

Your ego is a wonderful observational (validative) tool, but as it thrives in the past and future (regret and fear) it becomes a massively self concerning little reactive creature. As you grow you start to mimic other ego’s.

The problem with the LoA, even if you believe in it, is that people lay it on top of a damaged system and then don’t understand why it doesn’t work. That damaged system is your egoic self reacting to everything good and bad. This is why getting what you want is as bad as not getting what you want. Because you can’t find yourself in content and form and your ego is desperate to identify itself in content and form, then you’ve got a very unhappy ego constantly seeking out stuff, never happy with what is.

But it’s not all bad news. Your ego is simply a tool and it can be reset to default mode, observational validation. When you observe reality you’re actually creating it (thanks Steve for that) but you are mostly ego biased towards self concern. You limit your perception because you’re always asking, how will this affect me? Even if it’s a million dollars or a wonderful relationship.

It’s not easy to switch your ego back to default mode, you’ve probably had years of training your ego to the point where it loves to suffer and react. Many of your friends and family who love you will (unknowingly) support your ego to continue on the road to suffering. It’s a global collective condition, just turn on the TV and there it is.

You can change ego modes, but it does take practice, all you really have to do is choose it now. At first it will feel like you’re denying your ego voice. Once you stop complaining, blaming and judging, it feels like you have little worth and others will even ask you things like ‘why so quiet, what’s your opinion?’

Remember you’re not trying to kill off your ego or become less of a person or dilute your personality, you’re actually bringing more of your true self to the surface, into the light, so to speak and that can only be a good thing.

On a practical level, I’ve found that manifestation is easier because I’m more aligned with consciousness and not self concern. It sounds a little weird, but when you don’t seek yourself in the stuff you choose to manifest, then it manifests a lot easier. It appears, you observe, validate and choose something else.

When I seek something to complete me, it remains lacking.

Core beliefs are the fundamental rules of reality and they are all supported very well by your reactive ego. But it can be different, all you have to do is choose for it to be different. Stop reacting, simply observe your reality. You’re creating it, so take responsibility for it, relax your ego back to observation mode and start looking at those core beliefs you have about the things in your life you want to change.

You can change a core belief, but you must also realign your ego. Your ego is the reactive mechanism, defining the unmanifested via the perception of self concern.

I have found the biggest obstacle is other people and their egoic natures, but what is interesting is that as you change your default egoic mode back to observation, then the people around you start to do the same and it makes life a lot more enjoyable.

As everyone is a reflection of you, it’s the most responsible thing to do

Judge

[MacFly]

a lot thanks Judge

I'ma read it a lot of times.

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by Chris Cade

I'm not Judge, but will share a bit about my own experiences with ego...

When I view it as a partner that is ultimately trying to protect me, then I feel a lot more at peace and my life goes more smoothly.

A lot of people here these judgmental ego voices... "That's bad" "This is good" "He's ugly" "She's sexy" "I'm fat" "I'm successful"... the list goes on and on. And we believe this ego judgmental voice because it's familiar AND because what it says either helped protect us in the past, or helps protect us today.

So when we can understand how and why it's protecting us, then we're enabled to start changing that belief into something more constructive.

oh and thank you too Chris, it was also helpful

[boat]

Judge,
Intuitively, I feel that there is a lot of truth to what you have been posting about ego, consciousness etc. I also feel that I am not ready for such a spiritual path like that... Maybe after I obtain some material rewards and still feel unsatisfied, I will consider it

But I have some questions for you. Are you just talking the talk or are you actually experiencing a state where your ego has greatly diminished? If you are actually "there", how do you feel, and how is your life like as of now? What sorts of experiences have you had? And of course... How did you get there?

Thanks in advance.

[JMononoetoe]

Thank you very much, Judge. I have a question though...

So you're supposed to use ego as an observational tool, which I agree with. How does this work when it's about love, though? Let's say, you're good friends with a certain someone and you'd like to become closer. Isn't that ego saying, "I want to be with that girl, and if I'm not, I'll die"?

Is it possible to attract love without letting the ego involve? Or did I perhaps miss something?

[MacFly]

the way I understand what Judge's writing, your ego'll decide what you'll manifest and what you won't, and it's based upon your beliefs. if you switch off ego's reacting, it won't tell things like "it's too hard to do", "it's impossible", "she doesn't want to be with you", cuz it'll only observe and won't have any "opinion" about your thoughts and the reality, and it'll "let" your consciousness to create anything you wan't. or am I completely misunderstanding it?

[Judge]

Originally Posted by boat

Judge,
Intuitively, I feel that there is a lot of truth to what you have been posting about ego, consciousness etc. I also feel that I am not ready for such a spiritual path like that... Maybe after I obtain some material rewards and still feel unsatisfied, I will consider it.

You can manifest via ego, that does work, but it usually involves stress, time, fear and then more egoic wanting. Often even when you get the million dollars and the loving relationship, ego still feels unsatisfied and then undermines it, this is the path of self concern which is lack and suffering.

But I have some questions for you. Are you just talking the talk or are you actually experiencing a state where your ego has greatly diminished? If you are actually "there", how do you feel, and how is your life like as of now? What sorts of experiences have you had? And of course... How did you get there?

Thanks in advance.

By definition my ego loves to talk about this so.........

We're not trying to deny our ego, that makes no sense, our ego is a very important part of the manifestation process, but when it is in reactive mode it blocks the unmanifested to the point of giving us more physicality based on self concern (ego) which usually means more suffering.

I have found through practical application that simply observing all that I'm getting without reaction (judging, blaming, anger, fear) then a space opens up that allows easier (compared to egoic) manifestation. There's no struggle, no pain or stress. It's almost as if I'm not really having to do anything, which of course my ego is not.

It's a little weird at first, because you can sense there is something else within that is actually doing the manifesting and your (ego) is simply the observation of that manifestation. It appears and you acknowledge it, but you don't need to find yourself in it, because you know it wasn't ego that created it. Is my life better? Yes. Does it work all the time? No.

Originally Posted by JMononoetoe

Thank you very much, Judge. I have a question though...

So you're supposed to use ego as an observational tool, which I agree with. How does this work when it's about love, though? Let's say, you're good friends with a certain someone and you'd like to become closer. Isn't that ego saying, "I want to be with that girl, and if I'm not, I'll die"?

Is it possible to attract love without letting the ego involve? Or did I perhaps miss something?

How do you attract love? You can't and when you think you do, it never lasts. You can only be the conscious space for love. When you simply observe all that is in the present moment, then you are the space for all that is, then love will enter you life. Without ego blocking it, it becomes a natural reality. If you can't find love, your ego is blocking it and if you have a history of love that has failed, ego undermined it all because it's trying to find somethig that isn't missing.

People who don't have trouble with relationships have that part of their ego set to observation and not reaction. Love is easy, because their ego isn't suffering self concern.

No self concern = No limitation.

Originally Posted by MacFly

the way I understand what Judge's writing, your ego'll decide what you'll manifest and what you won't, and it's based upon your beliefs. if you switch off ego's reacting, it won't tell things like "it's too hard to do", "it's impossible", "she doesn't want to be with you", cuz it'll only observe and won't have any "opinion" about your thoughts and the reality, and it'll "let" your consciousness to create anything you wan't. or am I completely misunderstanding it?

It's very challenging to describe, because words create mental concepts that cover up truth, but I see it like this........

Consciousness has no self concern, it can manifest anything instantly (this is how your dreams work) It does not care, emote, or think. It is the unmanifested field of energy that is here right now, it is the only thing that truly exists, it can't die, because it was never born and it is you.

Ego is self concern, necessary for self preservation, but constantly switched to reactive mode that blocks the unmanifested and/or distorts the unmanifested, so you never really get what you require, you get something else or something that is close.

Ego is like thought and emotion, they are tools.

The only way to find yourself (consciousness) is to lose yourself (reactive ego) and that way is best found through non reactive present moment awareness. Ego's love past and future, they base their entire exsitance on two things that never exist. they define their existence as what happened and what may happen, but if you look closely, it is always now.

You're always consciousness, everything else is observation.

Judge

PS I should mention that ego hates the moment, in truth it can't exist there, so it feels threatened. That's why we spend so much time in the past and future, we don't really want to give up control so we cover up the moment with past regret and fear of future. Why doesn't consciousness take control if it is the true creator?

Because consciousness has no self concern...........self concern is for ego.

[MacFly]

so very simplified it basically means that I should stop thinking?

[Judge]

Originally Posted by MacFly

so very simplified it basically means that I should stop thinking?

Thought has value, emotion has value, ego has value.

They are all valuable tools, the trick is to not get lost in them.

Use them, pick them up when you need to, put them down when you've finished.

Stand back and observe.

Now I have no self concern.

Judge

PS I should mention that no self concern is not selfishness. You're not standing there claiming your mighty or god or something to behold, you are observing the reality without trying to find yourself in it. Your are open to all you are.

[torilink]

RE: manifesting

one thing to remember is that consciousness creates. Ego perceives & experiences & desires. When a creation enters into the ego's awareness and is experienced = manifestation.

Beliefs filter ego's perception.

So for example - ego desires, consciousness creates based upon ego's desire for experience, ego's beliefs work as a filter for perception, if the belief filter and the desire are aligned the creation will be made manifest in the ego's reality - if not then it will not be made manifest.

We can have multiple belief filters blocking a manifestation.

[MacFly]

and is there any way to "check" beliefs about something? or how much progress I made trying to change that belief?

I tried to change them the way Judge wrote it (observing the belief, and then observing the opposite statement), and now it feels like i've done something, but can I be sure? can I be sure it's not just bs that I'm telling to myself?

[Judge]

Observe your reality and stop reacting to it.
Observe your reality and stop reacting to it.

Do this for one day and then post again.

Judge

[torilink]

Judge is correct, belief - judgment - and reaction all work together. Stop reacting and get into a state of allowing.

At first it is like a snowball that was rolling downhill - and your current perceptions are the snowball - based upon the momentum of memories & beliefs it has gained momentum and continued on its way without ceasing, so the current reality may remain for a bit in your perception - but as you let go of reaction and stop the cycle the momentum stops and eventually the snowball will stop rolling, perception will shift.

[Lil Chris]

This is interesting Dr. Dyer on Ellen (He talks about EGO)

[boat]

Originally Posted by Judge

Observe your reality and stop reacting to it.
Observe your reality and stop reacting to it.

Do this for one day and then post again.

Judge

Of course, this is much easier said than done.

We have years and years of emotional garbage tied to memories and beliefs that "forces" us to react instead of observe. Some believe we also have baggage from our past lives.

I believe the key is to rid yourself of these layers and layers of garbage, whether through meditation, EFT, tai chi, ho'oponopono.. etc. The list goes on.

Eventually, observing will be our natural state.

I think very few people can shift from reactionary mode to observational mode at will. They might be able to for short periods of time if they're lucky. For many people however, to really get to that observational mode, it takes years.

[boat]

Also, one interesting thing about the ego is, the more I become aware of it, the more I realize that 90% of my actions and desires are based on the ego.

And then I begin to notice that 90% of the things other people do or say is based on the desire to stroke or protect their ego.

And then my ego can't help but feel annoyed and their egos for being so egotistical.

Very interesting stuff.

[wolfgang]

It occurs to me that having the ego go into this observation mode is going into acceptance and surrendering to what is. So then you see the world as perfect and nothing is lacking or unfulfilled.

What I wonder is, if you get into that state - what is there to "manifest"? Since this state is of complete acceptance and surrender and joy in the moment.

All this business of trying to manifest something is because the ego is not satisfied and desires something else that it thinks would be better. If you surrender and accept what is, put the ego in observation mode - you are basically saying I don't need to manifest anything else, it's all whole right now.

Does the ego drum up some of it's desires and then you have to shift back to acceptance to see those desires come about?

[Judge]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

If you surrender and accept what is, put the ego in observation mode - you are basically saying I don't need to manifest anything else, it's all whole right now.

That's right, everything is perfect right now, the ego can't see it because it is blinded by self concern (reactive limitation) but as consciousness, you have chosen this physicality for a reason (experience)and created an ego to validate it.

Tolle speaks of manifesting stuff as the beatuy of choice while in the state of acceptance. There is nothing wrong with having an ego and choosing to mainfest money and love, there's no difference between the million dollars you manifest and the nature you walk though in the park.

It's all of your creation, but for some reason the ego misbelieve's it is the creator and it's not and when it realises it isn't it get's very upset with what is and demands it be better, but even when it gets all it desires, it's still not happy, because your ego isn't you.

That is why getting what you want and not getting it are the same egoic definitions of lack.

Does the ego drum up some of it's desires and then you have to shift back to acceptance to see those desires come about?

All creation comes from consciousness. If you look at desire it's usually associated with lack. You never desire what you already have and yet it's created constantly. All creation is really formed energy from the field of the unmanifested. That field (consciousness) has no self concern, so it doesn't care if you're happy or not, it just renders from choice.

A choice may seem to be egoic, but ego actually (limits) choice via self concern. Are you consciousness or your ego? I don't believe you can be both, one is creative, the other is to validate.

This gets tricky now, because we're using words to describe something that can't be described.

Consciousness chooses experience via choice. All nature and you're own being is created on the fly instantly right now. Why don't you have a million dolaars or that loving relationship? Your ego is actually blocking and/or limiting the unmanifested via self concern. There's no self concern in the things you seemingly create all day everyday, that's why it's easy to do.

Originally Posted by boat

I think very few people can shift from reactionary mode to observational mode at will. They might be able to for short periods of time if they're lucky. For many people however, to really get to that observational mode, it takes years.

The funny part is, after years of trying, then you get there, it's still the now It really can only be done now.........

Less Ego Now

If you allow your ego to just watch and observe, you can open up the entire field of energy that renders your physical world........then everything will be added.

Your ego is a very important tool, like thought and emotion. These tools validate creation, but they aren't creative specifically. They can support conscious choice (by being non reactive) but they can block manifestation via self concern.

Of course the LoA tells us our dominant thoughts and emotions create, but most people have experienced this does not work on a practical level. The defensive argument is that we're still having too many negative thoughts and they are dominant even if we don't acknowledge them, so the LoA is in fact working, but it's working against you.

I don't personally believe in the LoA, I consider it's a egoic layer that has been added in an attempt to understand the true nature of consciousness..........but that's just me

Judge

[smith1012]

If you allow your ego to just watch and observe, you can open up the entire field of energy that renders your physical world........then everything will be added.

According to this, you are saying to use EGO as a tool to watch and observe, right? The fact that I'm suppose to not react to anything but just observes means I have to use my EGO to do so. Blanking out the mind, having no thoughts what so ever means im using the EGO to watch and observe.

Am I correct? There is no way of saying to observe without using the EGO to actually say it. TO observe our thoughts, senses, etc. means to use our EGO

[edith]

Originally Posted by Judge

I don't personally believe in the LoA, I consider it's a egoic layer that has been added in an attempt to understand the true nature of consciousness..........but that's just me

You got to the part I was going to ask about in one of your earlier posts: if we don't *need* anything when we're not trying to find ourselves (ego) in something we want to manifest, there's really no point in manifesting anything? (if you've been able to put the ego in its rightful place)

What makes us not just lie down and never get up again? Or is it that it's a delicate dance we do *always* in this life we're given? A tension that keeps us erect?

[Angela Leeds]

But you *are* what you have manifested, on a level. You may not have manifested from a place of knowing the Truth of who you Are, and to create from that higher place requires turning one's attention away from manifested circumstances to a self-knowing of a different sort. But we are by our very natures creative (manifesting) beings

What purpose would it serve to cease creating and to divorce ourselves from creation? The part is in the whole....

[alexplatups]

Hello,

this ego stuff may sound interesting as an idea or a concept...

...but when it comes down to creating realistic things like:

1) a genuinely loving relationship with your partner/kids

2) a healthy, lean body

3) financial independence through a successful business / high sallary job

...or any other thing that we all truly desire...this *ego stuff*...just does not cut it

what I want to say is writing something is really cool (a lot of different writers write all kinds of theories and ideas)...and these ideas may be loved by millions of people...but my only question for any philosophy is...

...can you build a house using or following this philosophy?

...this maybe a strange question...but if you can't build a house using the process that a philosophy offers...then it really has flaws in its design

...in fact it may not have been designed at all...a person simply starts to make up stuff that he/she thinks sounds interesting and different

...and if this philosophy can't produce anything *real*...it is *worthless* if you try to use it to create something *real* in your life with it

...so my next question is always...what are the exact steps that you must take to produce a result with this *philosophy* or *idea*...and this is where they all will fall apart

...the process (exact steps) will have flaws...if it is not based on air, and can't be used to build a house

...because creating anything *real* is very much like building a house...you start with nothing, and little by little you create a home where you can live

...and most philosophies are something like this...you do not need to build a house...you can live under the bridge...the most important thing is that you are happy...right here in this moment...lol

and a lot of people...in my opinion...want *real* results, mostly in these three areas...relationships, careers, health

...and most people understand *ddep inside* that the basics and fundamentals produce 80% of the results...and when you have these down (the basics and fundamentals) then you can try the *advanced techniques* to take you to the next level

...but the biggest problem is that many people are trying to use advanced strategies before they have mastered the basics and fundamentals

...and they are wondering why they can't get nothing to work in their lives

later

Alex Platups

[this is fun]

Originally Posted by Judge

That damaged system is your egoic self reacting to everything good and bad. This is why getting what you want is as bad as not getting what you want. Because you can’t find yourself in content and form and your ego is desperate to identify itself in content and form, then you’ve got a very unhappy ego constantly seeking out stuff, never happy with what is.

But it’s not all bad news. Your ego is simply a tool and it can be reset to default mode, observational validation. When you observe reality you’re actually creating it (thanks Steve for that) but you are mostly ego biased towards self concern. You limit your perception because you’re always asking, how will this affect me? Even if it’s a million dollars or a wonderful relationship.


You can change ego modes, but it does take practice, all you really have to do is choose it now. At first it will feel like you’re denying your ego voice. Once you stop complaining, blaming and judging, it feels like you have little worth and others will even ask you things like ‘why so quiet, what’s your opinion?’


On a practical level, I’ve found that manifestation is easier because I’m more aligned with consciousness and not self concern. It sounds a little weird, but when you don’t seek yourself in the stuff you choose to manifest, then it manifests a lot easier. It appears, you observe, validate and choose something else.


I have found the biggest obstacle is other people and their egoic natures, but what is interesting is that as you change your default egoic mode back to observation, then the people around you start to do the same and it makes life a lot more enjoyable.


Judge

You say we create effortlessly when our ego is not involved. I've tried just observing my thoughts and my feelings, and I've been doing it as much as I can, and it has been a great experience. Now I am able to observe a thought (e.g. you can't do it, you have to have this...) or an emotion ( anger, envy, sadness etc.) and I know that this is my ego reacting, I am aware of it and I just allow it to be and pass through me. Is it possible to manifest at this stage? When you're ego is reacting (through thoughts and emotions) but you're aware it is just ego and allow it.

Let's say I want to change my job. How can I avoid getting ego involved when it seems that just by wishing something you're trying to find yourself in it? I know my situation in my current job is my own creation, I accept full responsibility...so now what? Should I just observe these thoughts and emotions without trying to think about the things I want in a new/better job? You say don't complain, blame or judge....and I don't ..in the sense that I know I'm here because I created it, I don't blame anyone or anything, I accept that for now it is as it is...I observe how I feel about it....but how then do I change it? If you just observe, don't you in a way just stand still?

[edith]

Originally Posted by this is fun

If you just observe, don't you in a way just stand still?

I have the same question in mind. How does change happen? I was thinking this morning that maybe it's saying to yourself that you're allowing whatever to happen, that you're offering no resistance. But what is *whatever*? Isn't it something you have in mind, something you've envisioned. And if you've envisioned it, haven't you been attaching to it somewhat? Ahh, the tangled webs...

[Judge]

Originally Posted by this is fun

If you just observe, don't you in a way just stand still?

You are always standing still and nothing is actually happening. It's a dense convincing illusion, but if you think about it, it does make sense

You can never escape the present moment, you are always present. You don't actually move, change doesn't actually happen. Movement (time, day/night, people come and go) it all seems to be changing, but there is always something present that never moves or changes.

So people say it's god or consciousness, but it's actually you.

In truth, you are always simply observing. You're watching reality exist in all it's forms and content forever still and in silence. Like when you can be aware of dreamless sleep. Nothing is happening, but you can know that.

Waking reality is the same, but the changes are more convincing because the reality is more dense. Everything that seems to change and move, even thoughts are all product of you. It's a little challenging to grasp because you think you're inside your head somewhere having thoughts and using your senses to notice perception of change.

But you can in fact also be aware of being. There really are no words or way to describe it, because it just turns into another mental concept and label, but you can sense it and know it I believe.

Ego is the way to validate the sensory perception. We need ego very much, but because it's the only way to sense change (experience) then it thinks it's creating and it isn't. Being still and observing change before it seems to happen, is how manifestation works, but that isn't egoic in nature. Ego jumps in with self concern and limits manifestation.

A choice is made, reality changes, hey presto, there is the required manifestation. Why does that not always work? Egoic self concern or 'how will his affect me?' limits and blocks the perception of change.

Whatever is missing in your life, isn't actually missing, it's there, but you're not perceiving it correctly because self concern (ego) is stopping the full manifestation. Sometimes it's very easy and fast to manifest something and often something big and if you look carefully, you'll see there was little or no ego involved, no self concern.

Judge

[SarahLuvzYu]

Could you give us an example on how one would "observe" reality and then another example of how one would "react" to reality?

Would we become like...ROBOTS!? (If observing reality)



Looking foward to finally being able to understand this...eventually

[Judge]

Originally Posted by SarahLuvzYu

Could you give us an example on how one would "observe" reality and then another example of how one would "react" to reality?

Take your attention to the moment, right now regardless of content and form and simply observe, no need to think or emote or react, just observe....there you are.

Do the above and then react to everything. Form opinions, judge, blame, argue, insert your ego into the now and watch it grow and expand. Watch all the other ego's encourage you to grow your ego. Love the good stuff, hate the bad, stress, struggle, maybe even get what you desire, but it will never be enough.

Still there is some value in it

Would we become like...ROBOTS!? (If observing reality)

No, but your ego won't like being ignored.

Looking foward to finally being able to understand this...eventually

All the answers are right here now........as nothing else exists, where else could they be.

Judge

[SarahLuvzYu]

So if you're observing...you can't love?

And you would just switch between observing and reacting depending on what you want to do with your day- err I mean now?

Buuuut wait...If it's easier to manifest stuff when you're observing and you want to manifest love...would you switch to reacting once you have it, so you *can* react to it or would you just be all non-emote, non-reaction and continue observing?