The Secret has sold 500,000 copies in 6 months....

[Isis Kali]

This is all moot. The production co. has it for free on Youtube.

[Chris_Stretten]

I agree. Many people are only finding out about the Secret movie now. I watched it almost a year ago for on Google video (or perhaps it was youtube...) At any rate, the producers put it up for a time for free back then. I watched it at work during lunch, heh. Now they have a DVD, download and book version.

Cheers,
Chris

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

Why don't the makers of the secret just allow people to watch the movie for free? Since they are obviously experts at I-M and masters of LoA, why do they have to charge people to know this wonderful thing? They could just manifest billions anyway right? Are they terribly greedy people? Do they not care about the rest of humanity who can't afford it the movie or won't pay for it at that price?

Here's why: people don't appreciate what they get for free.

I have learned this lesson the hard way.

The more you pay for something the more you are likely to respect it and invest the time needed to learn how to use it.

[Dilman]

Originally Posted by Lucas

Could you quote where someone said that? Theres plenty of resources for IM without paying. Libraries, internet, people. I even learned photoreading for 30 cents in late fees (which is normally a 250 dollar course).

I've been wanting to look in to photoreading, where did you get it? The library? What was the title? etc.

[gpierrus]

I was listening to a recent interview between Rhonda Byrne and Marci Shimoff. Rhonda was saying how they gave away thousands of copies of DVD's to people in Africa and Asia. I think that "The Secret" most definitely is not the 'straight up' answer to the worlds problems. But perhaps it can in the very least make people aware of what they are thinking. This is the start to any sort of personal development.

I use LOA, blog about it, read about it, but I also know that there is a lot more to a successful life than just LOA.

Grant.

[thesupergal]

Originally Posted by Lucas

Well since I got a lot out of it, I don't believe it's a bold faced lie. Who is right?

I think some people might think its a lie and false advertising, because they have to change their beliefs, which as you can see by taking a look at the world, people will kill not to do. So if you are fine with manipulating your paradigms to find what works for you best, I believe you can get a lot out of it. If you are inflexible as to what you believe, such as in Radicals case, then of course you aren't going to experience anything else. Challenging your paradigms is hard to do, but I don;t think you should be hard on the people who do and find something else.

I have always gone the opposite route, I believe in things until something proves they don't exist.

"you'll see it when you believe it"

I am a new member to this website. In fact, I joined so I could post a reply here. Lucas - Hands down, you have very good argumentative skills.
Secondly, I second that the person who does not want to believe is pushing things out and will not believe even if the item is sitting right next to him or her.

To the folks who do not want to believe in 'The Secret' - I simply have one thing to say, I was using 'The secret' before it was published as a book. I am where I am because of the techniques I have used. The success comes from using it over and over again, consistently, continuously. If it weren't for the 'The Secret' / and techniques - there is no way I would be where I am. If you simply had looked at facts, figures and just gone by numbers - it was realistically impossible. YET - things happend because I believed and I was living the dream even before it came true. I had my own family lovingly laugh at me that I must be the craziest person they had ever run across, until one day my dream came true. The impossible happend. Today, the entire family reads 'The secret' and believes in it.

It is one thing to 'read' or 'see' ...it is totally up to 'them' to 'use' what they have 'seen' or 'read' because the secret only works for people who believe in it and people who actually want their dreams to passionately come true. It isn't for cynics. They won't get it. Likes will attract likes so a cynic will only attract more cynics if he / she isnt careful. Progressives will attract the progressives. Maxwell ID (I think) is having an argument for the sake of argument rather than being humble and actually giving it a shot. Law of attraction doesnt have a time limit. It can happen today or it can happen in 3 years! It depends on a lot of other things.

Last but not the least, anyone who argues that things cannot happen magically, does not believe in miracles. How can one appreciate or recognize a miracle when one doesn't believe in them?
The person who wants to divert the entire wealth of information and power that 'The secret' holds that is waiting to be opened as a gift by each one of us...into some money making business - does not get it at all! The person who focuses on little things about who is benefitting and making money from this book or video or CD FAILS to see the point that is being made! It says about "GOOD FEELINGS" and " ATTITUDE FOR GRATITUDE" ....the person does not value what he / she just saw and instead blocks off the gift that sits next to him / her waiting for it to be opened...

You have placed your arguements very well. It is noteworthy.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by thesupergal

...the secret only works for people who believe in it and people who actually want their dreams to passionately come true. It isn't for cynics. They won't get it.

Very well said. So often the argument here on the surface is about science, probablity, luck, wishful thinking, voodoo, whatever... but I think in reality it's about attachment to limiting viewpoints. There is a place for cynics in this world, but there is no place in deliberate, conscious LOA for them.

For the people who are consciously genuine in their desire to use LOA for the betterment of their lives, and aren't getting results, the question must be asked of them as well: are you sure you want this, deep down? Because if you really DID want it, with all your heart and soul.... you wouldn't be starting over from scratch every two weeks. You'd be on point and consistent with your LOA skill development, 24/7, to the best of your ability.

[Mister Change]

Originally Posted by thesupergal

I had my own family lovingly laugh at me that I must be the craziest person they had ever run across, until one day my dream came true. The impossible happend.

thesupergal, would you mind sharing this story? It sounds like a good one

[Dreamline]

The Secret can be the beginning of a quest or it can just make doubters doubt more. If doubters doubt LOA works, it's ironic because they are living proof it works. The more they doubt, the more reasons they find to doubt.

Bummer for them.

Jennifer

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by Ann

Out of curiosity, which parts did you think were ridiculous?

I thought every bit of the movie was great!

Come on, the secret is a fairy tale.

Even Fred Alan Wolf said in an interview, that the secret simply doesn't work that way it is described in the movie.

[Acting Like Godot]

Yes it was a lousy movie, for more advanced LOA practitioners.

It oversimplified the Law of Attraction.

But it's ok for beginners.

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by Ann

Oh that bit! lol, yeah it seemed like you are wishing for a bike and the next day, your grandpa has it right in your footsteps

Some people may wish for the same thing and if they don't get it after a week, they'll prove themselves it's not working lol

yeah, because it's NOT working

on the other side, I can say

"Some people may wish for something, and if they get it after a year through hard work, they'll prove themselves it's working lol"

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by MacFly

"Some people may wish for something, and if they get it after a year through hard work, they'll prove themselves it's working lol"

Still don't get it, huh.

Yes, hard work IS one of the ways that your intentions can manifest. After all, ALL of your reality is created by your thoughts, and your reality includes your own physical actions.

[cheropride]

Here's just a sample that it works...

Back in March I had an interview for a new school that was opening up in our area, one that I would be sending my son. This school will go all the way thru middle school, so it would be awesome if I could work there.

Now all nay-sayers said to me, oh gosh, you can't get a job in this economy, besides just be grateful that you are working. They ain't going to hire you..

Well I let none of that enter my mind, or my thoughts. I went to the interview, and knew that I had the job. Well, months have gone by, it is now June, and as of two days ago, nothing. Well, I got the call, I am HIRED. I am going in on Wednesday to meet w/Human Resources...

No matter that much time had past, I knew, that I knew, I had the job. Even when my husband insisted, he didn't think I was going to get the job, even when my references said they never called, I knew that I had the job. Well I do....

LOA is not easy, but in some ways it is. Know that you know, and it will come to pass. And as previously posted, ATTITUDE OF GRATITUDE, is key. And always giving THANKS and PRAISE for what you have. LOA is just like faith, and that's how I apply it. As Jesus said, if you have enough faith you can move mountains....

[Roseblue]

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The book was also one of the major inspirations behind the hit movie known as "The Secret" and is now known to have inspired the writing of the world's most famous success book Think And Grow Rich.

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[this is fun]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Yes it was a lousy movie, for more advanced LOA practitioners.

It oversimplified the Law of Attraction.

But it's ok for beginners.

I'm a beginner but I would appreciate if you could recommend some books that go more into detail on the subject of LoA, and not just LoA specifically but maybe cover that subject from different angles, fields.

Here are some of the books that I've already read or plan to read, and I'd be glad to read everything else!

Joseph Murphy - The Power of Your Subconscious Mind
The Science of Getting Rich – Wallace Wattles
Think and Grow Rich
The Power of Intention
The power of now
Ask and it is given
Seven Laws for Spiritual Success

Thank you

[Daffy Duck]

I think just reading Murphy's The Power of Your Subconscious Mind alone would be enough. I read that years ago. The "magic" happens when you start applying that knowledge.

[this is fun]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

I think just reading Murphy's The Power of Your Subconscious Mind alone would be enough. I read that years ago. The "magic" happens when you start applying that knowledge.

Really? Thanks for the help.

The part with 'applying' is what I'm having problems with.I had an 'aha' moment the other day, I realized I still have some resistance within me, it's like a physical gut feeling. I realized it is a resistance to manifesting, being afraid I might actually manifest what I want, to have that responsibility

I guess a good thing is that I'm aware of it, but at the same time I think it's funny

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by this is fun

Really? Thanks for the help.

Yeah, I mean, this is what happened to me: I read a lot of books, started to realize they all basically say the same thing, and figured that the only way for me to learn more is to put all of my attention on doing it myself. Out of all the books I've read that discuss intention manisfestation, Murphy's is probably one of my favorite and told me all I needed to know. His theory was also more believable to me, because it had more to do with the subconscious mind, instead of the "Universe energy" bringing stuff to me.

[this is fun]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

His theory was also more believable to me, because it had more to do with the subconscious mind, instead of the "Universe energy" bringing stuff to me.

The books is on my list but somehow I would always skip it and decide to read it later.

It'll be my next book to read, especially because it has more to do with the subconscious mind, maybe this way it'll be easier for me. Thanks

[this is fun]

Originally Posted by this is fun

resistance to manifesting, being afraid I might actually manifest what I want

I'll correct myself before someone else does. Yes, I know, I manifest stuff all the time, and I get what I apparently want all the time

[Zas]

I like The Secret. It does well to present the people within it as genuinely beautiful and happy. And their names keep popping up in places, so it's nice having a mental picture of them in my head.

I watch it when I want to feel good. And I read the book too sometimes when this stuff is starting to seem really complicated and it chills me out. So, regardless of how people critique its exact presentation of certain concepts, I just dig it on a feel good level.

[Dreamline]

How many people that are currently pursuing LOA paths would have heard of LOA if it weren't for The Secret? A small percentage, I am certain. How many people who enjoy the seemingly limitless information that is currently available now re: LOA, would have had access to that amount of material if The Secret hadn't been released?

C'mon people....Nothing worse than looking a gift horse in the mouth, manifestation-wise. Ungrateful, critical people tend to have issues manifesting.

I feel nothing but incredible gratitude for Rhonda Byrne and her manifesto. I was a beginner when it came out, I got the message it was designed to deliver, I immediately understood that she was presenting an introduction to a massively complex and deep subject, and I subsequently accepted the quest. I have no doubt this will be a study that could span many lifetimes. I'm prepared for that, unlike some of us that feel they can't live a good enough life without that Lexus and McMansion yesterday. Which, predictably, if you "get" LOA, never seem to come.

Jennifer

[cylon]

Originally Posted by MacFly

Come on, the secret is a fairy tale.

Even Fred Alan Wolf said in an interview, that the secret simply doesn't work that way it is described in the movie.

Nice to see you having some conviction in your beliefs as a contrast to all the confusion, second-guessing of yourself, and soul-searching I'm used to seeing from you.

Now you finally are certain of how the world works. Congratulations. It takes some of us years to come to the same degree of certainty in ourselves that we have life all figured out.

[Dreamline]

Originally Posted by MacFly

Come on, the secret is a fairy tale.

Even Fred Alan Wolf said in an interview, that the secret simply doesn't work that way it is described in the movie.

But he didn't say it didn't work. And he can't be talking about "it doesn't work for anyone the way it works in the movie" because it clearly does work for many people. So maybe FAW isn't doing it right.

No offense to FAW, but everyone who was in the movie who later claimed that 'The Secret doesn't work the way they said in the movie' is now making a bundle on their own services and products to teach 'what The Secret didn't tell you, my website will.'

Apparently, The Secret is manifesting excellently for them. Now, if they were the only ones manifesting, I'd be suspicious. But millions of people have made it work. Likewise, as things in the world are apt to be, millions have also failed at it.

You just have happened to believe in the opinion of the naysayers, rather than the successful manifestors. Which makes your opinion just as anecdotal and therefore moot.

Jennifer

[cylon]

I prefer FAW's work in What The Bleep.

I think anyone who has seen the Secret should then go see the extended Quantum Edition of What the Bleep.

I found that more inspiring than the Secret.

[Dreamline]

Originally Posted by cylon

I prefer FAW's work in What The Bleep.

I think anyone who has seen the Secret should then go see the extended Quantum Edition of What the Bleep.

I found that more inspiring than the Secret.

I think they are complimentary. They should be sold in a box set.

I like that What the Bleep delves into WHY The Secret and LOA probably works. But the extended version is a committment. Seriously.

Jennifer

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by cylon

I prefer FAW's work in What The Bleep.

I had a brief series of exchanges with FAW a while back, and he was, to the best of my understanding, openly scornful of the idea of non-action-based, "wish fairy" IM - See: MacFly.

He had his own equally intriguing out-there ideas, but they didn't resonate with me, so I moved on.

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Still don't get it, huh.

Yes, hard work IS one of the ways that your intentions can manifest. After all, ALL of your reality is created by your thoughts, and your reality includes your own physical actions.

Note that I was talking about the secret, not about LoA overall. The Secret states false things, that's it.

Even if it is an oversimplified version of the truth, it's still not true, as it is said in the movie.

It's a TV-shop version of LoA, and it's about money. If they'd talk about the more difficult, but more real version, it wouldn't sell like that.

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by cylon

Nice to see you having some conviction in your beliefs as a contrast to all the confusion, second-guessing of yourself, and soul-searching I'm used to seeing from you.

Now you finally are certain of how the world works. Congratulations. It takes some of us years to come to the same degree of certainty in ourselves that we have life all figured out.

I can't really decide if you're sarcastic or not

but thank you