The Secret has sold 500,000 copies in 6 months....

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

I am giving plenty away for free. This isn't about me, though. I hate to repeat myself but you guys keep saying the same things to me. There is only one logical response. Like Tom said, "I think that the issue that Maxwell and others have with the producers of The Secret is not their ethics in not sharing their wealth with others, but the underlying flaw in IM that charging for the film appears to expose: the fact that they choose to take money from people rather than intending for the universe to take care of them."

Its very contradictory. Trivial? Is trying to understand why I should believe something so significant to you and many others trivial?

How is it contradictory? They wanted to produce something, and obviously they intended it to be successful. One thing that you constantly ignore over and over is that the stuff doesn't materialize, star trek-style. You still need to take action on the syncronicities and opportunities opening up for you. What you seem to imply, is that everyone using IM sit on their asses all day long, wishing for a better life. Thats not what it is. Wayne Dyer put it really well once. He said "Contemplate yourself as surrounded by the resources you need to get where you want to be." (actually I think I batardized Dyer and Canfield together) IM practitioners dont just Manifest money.

Say I wanted to be a wealthy author, a sack of thousand dollar bills isnt going to smack me in the face so I can write for the rest of my life. However, I might meet someone at a coffee shop who is a book publisher for a huge company...and we start talking, it is then my actions that determine if I use this opportunity that has been presented. I do and I get good exposure from the company, making the NYT Best Seller list.

Its a 20% nudge from the universe, 80% of you acting. When you think negatively you close off that deal with the universe and close your mind to the paths unfolding.

[Frans]

Originally Posted by Lucas

One thing that you constantly ignore over and over is that the stuff doesn't materialize, star trek-style. You still need to take action on the syncronicities and opportunities opening up for you.

Some people in this forum claim different things.

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by Frans

Some people in this forum claim different things.

It can feel that way sometimes, especially if its a poweful synchronicity that couldnt have come from anywhere else.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Frans

Some people in this forum claim different things.

Only because you misunderstand. Skeptics think that when LoA works or IM works for people, it's because THEY changed and so their actions / behaviour etc. changes therefore it is because of them that things start to work out for them. In other words, 100% of the change happens in the person creating the intention and 0% of the change happens in the rest of the world around them.

My belief is that when you set an intention and believe in it's fulfilment, the world around you changes as well to bring it to you. So maybe your actions / behaviour now only account for 80% and the rest comes from the world with the other 20%. Or perhaps it's 50%/50% or even 10% action on your part and 90% from the rest of the world.

[Maxwell]

Originally Posted by cylon

Maxwell,

I just don't see the point of crying over spilled milk. They won this round. The Secret has been produced and it costs money and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Sounds so tragic, lol.

I don't apply the motivations of selfish greed and charlatanism that you seem to apply. I have absolutely no problem with the free market system. The only thing I would have a problem is when you say they are "taking money" from people. That's illegal. They are offering a product, and accepting money for that product.

I get your overall impression, that since the Secret costs money, the LOA is somehow bogus. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I suppose my point is, you complaining about the the secret costing money, is most likely not going to change anything. It's about you in the sense that it's your post I'm responding to, and this is your personal opinion we are discussing. If your goal is to get the world to NOT embrace the message of the Secret, I would suggest picking it apart on its merits, not the assumed motivation of the producers. It's like there's a bomb in a cardboard box and you're mad at the company that creates the cardboard.

Anyhow this reminds me of my debates with theists in the past. And I had the same opinion, "those people are just stealing the people's money because they are selfish and greedy and they're feeding people false hope while living the high life". The message they are selling that is the issue, not the messengers themselves. It feels good to take it out on the "bad people", but you are not hurting the bad people, just yourself, by giving them your energy. If that makes sense.

Who is crying? They won? I watched that crap for free. I never said "taking money" that was someone else. They are not literally taking it but they are in the business of lying to people and giving them false hope.

You missed the entire point yet again. I AM picking on its merits. Sorry, but I am through repeating myself. You truely are dreadful to talk to.

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

They are not literally taking it but they are in the business of lying to people and giving them false hope.

They are? I got quite a bit out of watching The Secret...much more than the 5 bucks I paid.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Lucas

They are? I got quite a bit out of watching The Secret...much more than the 5 bucks I paid.

I paid $5, and loved it so much I paid another $20 to get the DVD. I would pay $25 any day for the value I got out of it.

[Acting Like Godot]

Surprise.

For someone who posts so much about LOA, I have not watched "The Secret".

Buying materials on LOA is like buying materials on photography. Or on gym workouts. Or on financial planning. Or on how to look after your pet cat.

What I mean is that after you get about five good books on any topic, you've basically covered the ground. There could be 1,000 books on Amazon regarding the topic, but with five good books you've covered the ground.

That's for the theory. The rest is application. Ahh, that's also the fun part.

[Maxwell]

Originally Posted by Lucas

They are? I got quite a bit out of watching The Secret...much more than the 5 bucks I paid.

I should have said, "I think..."

Its my opinion, maybe wrong, maybe its exactly right. It promises to be the "the secret to unlimited joy, health, money, relationships, love, youth: everything you have ever wanted."

I believe that is a bold faced lie.

[Kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

Why don't the makers of the secret just allow people to watch the movie for free?

I have seen both seen both The Secret and What the bleep, without paying a dime.

How did I do this? Well, I wanted to see them so I manifested it. The discs did not exactly come flying by themselves into my DVD player, but there are many ways to see a film without paying...

With your question you are putting the power of what you want in other peoples hands.

If anyone here wants to see the secret for free I am pretty sure that there are people in this forum who are willing to mail them their used copy for free.

[Cron]

Wouldn't that be illegal by the current copyright and intellectual property laws?

[Radical]

I can't believe I was suckered into buying this bunk.

Magic doesn't exist, science is the only truth.

[Kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Cron

Wouldn't that be illegal by the current copyright and intellectual property laws?

No, giving away a used DVD that you have bought yourself would not be more illegal than me taking an old book out of my bookcase and giving to someone.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

You missed the entire point yet again. I AM picking on its merits. Sorry, but I am through repeating myself. You truely are dreadful to talk to.

Aah, I'm not that bad.

[Maxwell]

Probably not. One of my biggest pet peaves is reapeating myself. You kept talking about the money. They money is not what I am focusing on. I am focusing on what I percieve to be a contradiction.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Radical

Magic doesn't exist, science is the only truth.

Then Bush is not the President of the United States;
the law of supply and demand is wrong;
your mother does not love you;
and in your own opinion, you are a fool

for no science experiment in any laboratory can prove:

that anyone is the President of anything;
that the law of supply and demand is valid;
that your mother loves you; or
that you are not a fool;
or that you are currently not thinking that you are a fool.
or even that you are currently thinking that you are not a fool.

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

I should have said, "I think..."

Its my opinion, maybe wrong, maybe its exactly right. It promises to be the "the secret to unlimited joy, health, money, relationships, love, youth: everything you have ever wanted."

I believe that is a bold faced lie.

Well since I got a lot out of it, I don't believe it's a bold faced lie. Who is right?

I think some people might think its a lie and false advertising, because they have to change their beliefs, which as you can see by taking a look at the world, people will kill not to do. So if you are fine with manipulating your paradigms to find what works for you best, I believe you can get a lot out of it. If you are inflexible as to what you believe, such as in Radicals case, then of course you aren't going to experience anything else. Challenging your paradigms is hard to do, but I don;t think you should be hard on the people who do and find something else.

I have always gone the opposite route, I believe in things until something proves they don't exist.

"you'll see it when you believe it"

[Cron]

2 hard questions.

1. If I-M is the real deal and it works why are the producers of "The Secrect" using their time to make a film instead of using I-M to get their desires fulfilled?

I'm guessing the first answer to that question ( I have seen trends like this before ) would be:

"They made the film because they want to help spread the word and help others ".

Okay, question #2:

If the producers of "The Secrect" are motivated by spreading the word and helping others rather than cashing in, why are they charging for the movie?

Some people might say to cover their costs. Fair enough, but here are some rejoinders to that:

- they can make the movie free after they have covered their costs

- they could have asked for donations

- people make fairly good home made movies and put them on youtube.com and google video all of the time.....for free. You can make a web site or a blog for promoting a film for only about $15 a month as well.

- They could have used I-M to cover the costs, either by encouraging donations or using I-M in other career pursuits ( the makers of the homemade youtube videos have not quit their day jobs ).

[Frans]

Originally Posted by Cron

2 hard questions.

1. If I-M is the real deal and it works why are not the producers of "The Secrect" using their time to make a film instead of using I-M?

I'm guessing the first answer to that question ( I have seen trends like this before ) will be.

"They made the film because they want to help spread the word and help others ".

Okay, question #2/

If the producers of "The Secrect" are motivated by spreading the word and helping others rather than cashing in, why are they charging for the movie?

Some people might say to cover their costs. Fair enough, but here are some rejoinders to that:

- they can make the movie free after they have covered their costs

- they could have asked for donations

- people make fairly good home made movies and put them on youtube.com
and google video all of the time.....for free. You can make a web site or
a blog for promoting a film for only about $15 a month as well.

- They could have used I-M to cover the costs, either by encouraging donations or using I-M in other career pursuits ( the makers of the homemade youtube videos have not quit their day jobs ).

If I-M is "the real deal", nobody would ask those questions and this forum would contain only threads like "I manifested X".

[Parthon]

This thread is going around in circles, it's driving me crazy. Or maybe I'm just creating this thread to drive me crazy so that I can better understand how the universe works. But that's for another post.

As for "Creating money from nowhere" part of I-M, and the idea that if it worked then you'd just sit home and manifest everything you wanted is complete bollocks.

That is just like hearing from someone that "A car can get you to places." and you go off and jump into a car, say where you want to go and you get there straight away without doing any work, which is not what a car does. Yet everyone keeps applying that logic to I-M.

The point I'm trying to make is that the Law of Attraction simply states that you will attract into your life that which you think about. Think thoughts of doubt and uncertainty and that's what will appear in your life. Think thoughts of skepticism and science and all you will see are things to be proven/disproven, science working all around you and silly people on internet forums talking about magic. Think thoughts of power and possibility and you will see openings for doing things you would never have believed you could do and having things you never thought you would have.

Intention-manisfestation is just a mechanism for this theory. (Yes it is a theory, look up the word in a dictionary) You put out a powerful and conscious thought and it will be attracted into your life. How it is attracted is up to the universe, which is a cop out, but there's no other way to explain it. Coincidences arise that can't possibly be related to any action you have taken that allow you to proceed towards the manifestation of the intention. Much of the time however the attraction creates openings and opportunities for action.

Now the people who made The Secret probably had a purpose of sharing it with the world, but also had the intention of making money, the two came together and they produced the movie, the movie being the vessel for the intention of money being fulfilled. Perhaps they didn't have the intention of making money, it could have been sell X number of copies or even spread the secret to the world.

In the same way that Steve uses his website to generate income through ad revenue and donations, he also uses intentions to generate greater income through manisfestation. And he has documented some of his manisfestations in regards to the site, such as other sites he has never heard of linking through to him giving him a great traffic boost. I can't see how any action he directly took would have caused that, not without fobbing it off as a random coincidence. You could explain it in other ways, the fact that it's a good website and other people would eventually find it and link to it, but then you are closing your eyes to what really happened.

A good scientist looks at the outcome of the whole experiment, they don't fob bits off as coincidences or random outcomes, they examine and measure each part of the experiment. Imagine Newton studying physics and saying "Oh, this ball falls down when I drop it, but this feather doesn't, therefore gravity is false and falling down is a big coincidence." Preposterous hey? Science is all about pushing the bounds of what we believe to discover that which we didn't already know. And unfortunately skepticism doesn't come into that, you are into the realm of creation and discovery. Skepticism and Scientific discovery don't work together, and that's a fact.

I've probably just said what's been said 100 times already. Hopefully I shift you away from self defeating disempowering thoughts and towards those that can really help. That would be worth reading all of this for.

[magickmystik]

Originally Posted by Parthon

This thread is going around in circles, it's driving me crazy. Or maybe I'm just creating this thread to drive me crazy so that I can better understand how the universe works.

around and around and around

[Maxwell]

Originally Posted by Lucas

Well since I got a lot out of it, I don't believe it's a bold faced lie. Who is right?

I think some people might think its a lie and false advertising, because they have to change their beliefs, which as you can see by taking a look at the world, people will kill not to do. So if you are fine with manipulating your paradigms to find what works for you best, I believe you can get a lot out of it. If you are inflexible as to what you believe, such as in Radicals case, then of course you aren't going to experience anything else. Challenging your paradigms is hard to do, but I don;t think you should be hard on the people who do and find something else.

So then you must have everything you have ever wanted. That's what it promised. Can I have a few million dollars please? You can just make some more after you give it to me.

Originally Posted by Lucas

I have always gone the opposite route, I believe in things until something proves they don't exist.

"you'll see it when you believe it"

You must believe in an aweful lot of ridiculous things. Santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, no one can prove that they don't exist somewhere. You can't prove anything doesn't exist for that matter.

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

So then you must have everything you have ever wanted. That's what it promised. Can I have a few million dollars please? You can just make some more after you give it to me.


You must believe in an aweful lot of ridiculous things. Santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, no one can prove that they don't exist somewhere. You can't prove anything doesn't exist for that matter.

I am not there yet, but I am working towards it. I could give you examples, but why? You'll just shoot them down to whatever paradigm you subscribe to currently, probably injecting the same venom that you use for your posts.

I do believe in a lot of tings that might sound rediculous to you, since you believe whole heartedly that they dont exist or are not possible. You don;t even want to consider it, because you have ignored me this whole time, still pushing the idea of it being Star Trek materialization. Unfortunately, if you cant listen to me, I shouldnt listen to you. Have a good one.

[Maxwell]

I don't believe anything wholeheartedly but saying you believe everything you hear without proof otherwise does sound ridiculous to me since proof of many things nonexistance is an impossibility.

You are wrong about not considering what is reasonable. I am here aren't I?

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

So then you must have everything you have ever wanted. That's what it promised. Can I have a few million dollars please? You can just make some more after you give it to me.

Asking for a large infusion of cash like Oliver Twist asking for more gruel will not result in the desired outcome. You've really got to INTEND that you're going to become a millionaire, then believe it to the core of your being that it will happen, and then still put in the time feeling gratitude and visualizing reasonable and believable ways that this could in fact happen.

The Universe is not going to automatically send Ed McMahon to your front door with a giant cardboard check for $10 million. You have to constantly put yourself out there in situations for the "magic" to happen.

So far, I haven't seen any examples on this thread of how anyone has used The Secret successfully, so let me offer my own as an example.

I had decided to get my wife a combo gift of a new digital camera and digital photo frame. I found one I liked for $130 at a large electronics chain, then thought I would shop around for a better price. Not finding one, I returned a few days later, but they were now sold out of the one I wanted. I kicked myself for "snoozing and losing" and began rushing around to find an alternative. No luck. I decided to try using The Secret.

First, I stated my intention firmly to the Universe that I wanted to find a good quality digital frame in time for Christmas; that it be priced not only less than the one I had passed over, but that I would actually find it at a substantial discount below $100. I even stated that the price would be $70 to $80. I then thanked the Universe for all it had provided me to date, and thanked it in advance for my current demand. I proceeded then to go about the rest of my day without concern for the frame, believing it would come about in plenty of time for Christmas.

The next day, I decided to research digital frames on the net and found that very few had decent ratings by consumers. The brand I missed out on was one of the better-rated ones, so I located that company's site and found they had a listing of stores where to find their frames. To my surprise, many stores were listed I would never have thought of to find electronics. One was "Linens and Things." There was such a store near where I was going to be in a couple of days and I made plans to stop in at some point.

Several other stores mentioned on the website were also in that area, and I planned to run the gamut in search of the frame, but I needed to use the restroom before hitting any of them, and the nearest available one was at a bookstore right next to Linens and Things, so it was logical to begin my search there.

Upon walking through the front door, I immediately spotted the very frame I wanted literally piled almost to the ceiling! At the bottom of the pile were a clerk and customer who was opening one of the boxes to check out the frame. I interrupted and told him his search was over, as I had already researched that frame and assured him it was highly rated by satisfied customers. He smiled and took me at my word. Then I noticed a sign that said the frame's price was reduced to $100 from its regular $130 price.

Granted, that was not the full discount I had demanded, but I was tickled that the Secret had worked as well as it did. I commented on the good price, and the other customer mentioned that for that day only it was even an additional $20 off, making the price... $80! Well, I thought, isn't that interesting? Then the clerk interjected that a coupon was required to get the extra savings. I asked where I could get a coupon, but she only shrugged, as if to say, "It was lost somewhere in all that junk mail you throw away on a daily basis, shmuck!"

I loosed a small sigh of defeat, but then the other customer opened his wallet, rifled through it, and produced a second "20% off" coupon that he said I was welcome to since he wasn't going to need it, and since I helped him out with my recommendation, he was happy to return the favor.

THAT is how LOA works. I never expected for a moment for the frame to magically appear at my doorstep. I knew I would have to put myself in situations more likely for the manifestation to unfold. But ask yourself the following:

1. At least half a dozen stores in the immediate area were listed on the Pandigital site as retailers for the frame. Did the Universe put the urge to relieve my bladder in my mind so that I would choose Linens and Things first?

2. What contributed to the timing that placed me in that store at the exact same time as that other customer, who, as it turned out, was vital to my getting the additional discount necessary for my full intention to manifest?

3. What made me decide to research the frame and then visit the site to find retailers that carried that item. This is not something I usually do. As it turned out, my research of consumer reviews of that brand of frame was the impetus for the other customer to come to my aid. If I hadn't researched it, I would not have been able to make such a confident and bold recommendation to him, and in fact, would not have done so.

To most skeptics, this small story about "magically" finding the digital frame I wanted will be written off as coincidence at best. But those with an open mind to how The Secret really works will see how several seemingly separate events all worked together to put me, a frame, and an unreasonably great discount all together at just the right time.

The Universe is either within us or without us. There's no in-between state. It is either completely objective, or entirely subjective. For those who believe that reality is subjective, The Secret is not only possible, it is, in fact, undeniable. For when one believes in subjective reality, one accepts that, basically, we are indeed connected with all things due to our Oneness with all things. Therefore, it makes complete sense that we can command things into being through use of the law of attraction. We are, in essense, God. However, we cannot expect thoughts to snap immediately into existence because the physical Universe works at a much slower vibrational state than the non-physical realms. There a reason for that, which can be discussed on some other forum.

To doubt the LoA means one does not truly believe in subjective reality. One who believes the Universe is godless and that consciousness is a by-product of a physical universe will never be able to accept The Secret, so why bother trying to convince them?

I have believed that I create my own reality for many years now, so discovering and using The Secret is to me like going to grad school. It's just a more advanced tool for shaping my reality than I've been aware of before.

When one truly believes they are an insignificant speck in an immensely vast and cold universe, all the incredible tales in the world will not convince them otherwise.

As for the producers profiting from the sale of the DVD, so what? They are not selling the information or "knowledge" of The Secret. That is, indeed, free to anyone who's not to lazy to go out and find it. They are merely selling a very unique "packaging" of said information. It's no different than any other informational book, CD, or DVD out there.

Let's say you want to learn how to use Adobe Photoshop. It's a very powerful software, and mastering it can increase one's value in the marketplace. There are several shelves in every bookstore with dozens of "how-to" books about Photoshop. However, there are also hundreds, if not thousands, of websites on the Net that offer free tutorials on the program.

Do we discredit the authors of these Photoshop books because they try to make a profit by packing the same info in their own unique way? Of course not. The information they give is no more or less valuable.

There are over 70 million people in the U.S. alone who believe in the Second Coming of Jesus and the Rapture. What makes their "fantasy" any more credible than subjective reality? There's certainly much less evidence for an invisible man in the sky than there is metaphysical theory, but they certainly do have the numbers, now don't they?

The Secret is a little more complex than the DVD explains. I don't think the kid just wishes for a bicycle, then gramps appears with the exact one the following day. Probably more like how Ralphie got his Red Rider BB gun in The Christmas Story.

The bicycle scene, however, reminded me of one of my favorite jokes....

There was a single widowed mother who had a ten-year-old son. She worked very hard for not much money, and it left little time for dating. One night, the boy woke up and went to the kitchen for a glass of water. As he passed his mother's bedroom, he heard her moaning from within. The door was cracked, and when he peeked inside, he saw her lying on her back alone, rubbing herself between her legs, repeating over and over, "I want a man... Oh, how I want a man!" The boy returned to his room, perplexed.

About a week later, the boy came home from school to find his mother and a strange man in the living room, whom she introduced to him as her new boyfriend. After a short while, they fell in love, and became engaged to marry. His mother was clearly very happy.

One night, the mother got up to get a glass of water. As she passed her son's door, she heard moaning from within. She peeked inside and saw her son vigorously rubbing himself between his legs, repeating over and over...
"I want a new bicycle! Oh, how I want a new bicycle!"

She closed the door and returned to her room, perplexed.

~ RS

[Vicariously Yours]

Well said, Rocket. I have been several times during this thread reminded of an old joke I heard back in the days I subscribed to the Christian philosophy, which I will paraphrase: A man woke up one morning after several days of rain to discover that a nearby river had breached its banks, and water was rushing into his house. So much water, in fact, and so quickly, that the man was forced to flee his bed for the upstairs, and finally, for the roof. Cold water was rushing everywhere, and was still rising. The man became frightened for his life, and, being a staunch man of God, began praying. "Oh, God, please save me from drowning!" No sooner had the man uttered this prayer, than a policeman appeared in a boat filled with many other people evacuated from their homes. "Come with us!" said the policeman. "We have room for one more!" But the man was certain that God would send him a "miracle" to save him, and refused to jump from his roof. "No thanks," he said. The policeman shook his head and steered the boat away. The man watched terrified as the water rose past his knees, then his waist, then his neck. Again, even more fervently, he prayed: "Oh, God, please, please save me from drowning!" Immediately, the man heard a loud noise, and craned his neck upward to see a helicopter hovering over him. Someone inside the helicopter dropped a rope for the man to grab onto. "Take hold of the rope!" came a voice over a loudspeaker. The man on the roof shook his head. "I'm waiting for God to save me!" the man shouted. After hovering for several moments, the pilot steered the helicopter away, and it soon disappeared. The water continued to rise, until eventually the man could no longer stand on the roof of his house. Finally, a large wave of river water washed over him, and he drowned.

Naturally, the man went to Heaven, and stood before God to review his life. At the end of the review, he watched as his time on Earth came to an end. "I don't understand," the man said mournfully. "I prayed for you to save me. Why did you not answer my prayers?"

"What are you talking about?" asked God. "I answered your prayers even before you called out to me. First I sent a boat for you, then I sent a helicopter..."


I've always been amazed by people who think they know how the hand of God (or the Universe, the Source, the All That Is, what have you) works, and what a "miracle" is supposed to look like. The folks who put together "The Secret" may very well have been using I-M to manifest their incomes, and the mechanism which the Universe brought into play to help with that manifestation might very well have been the gentle nudging in the minds of a half-million or more people to "have a look-see at this cool and interesting movie that everyone is talking about." Who are we to suggest that this can't be true, simply because it doesn't fit the picture we have in our heads of a genuine "miracle?"

How can anyone think they can second-guess the All That Is??? And why spend so much time and negative energy attacking a principle which clearly is working for so many people?

If I recall correctly, an important part of the LOA equation is the Art of Allowing: "I am that which I am, and you are that which you are, and while it is different perhaps from that which I am, it is also good."

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Maxwell

You must believe in an aweful lot of ridiculous things. Santa claus

But Santa is real. Or was. He is actually St. Nicholas of Bari, who once lived in Asia Minor, and died in either 345 or 352 CE. He was probably born in Patara in the province of Myra in Asia Minor; some think that he was also the bishop of Myra in Lycia (now Turkey).

During his lifetime, he adored children and often threw gifts anonymously into the windows of their homes. This led to the Santa Claus stories. Many miracles are attributed to Saint Nicholas - it is said for instance that he had brought back to life several children who had been killed.

Over time, people forget the history. So now Santa Claus has largely become a fairy tale for children, and an annual marketing gimmick for department stores. But you can also think of modern-day Santa Claus festivities as a celebration of a jolly good fella who lived many centuries ago.

[chadchillbro17]

As I came across this thread I was watching the secret...

Seriously its awesome. I think you can watch it for $5 on thesecret.tv

Or just get a hold of that Oprah episode and it tells you pretty much everything.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Surprise.

For someone who posts so much about LOA, I have not watched "The Secret".

Buying materials on LOA is like buying materials on photography. Or on gym workouts. Or on financial planning. Or on how to look after your pet cat.

What I mean is that after you get about five good books on any topic, you've basically covered the ground. There could be 1,000 books on Amazon regarding the topic, but with five good books you've covered the ground.

That's for the theory. The rest is application. Ahh, that's also the fun part.

ahh but its a matter of finding the right 5 books many just dont emotionally resonate with me...if they don't then it requires reenforcement and reading other sources...
i agree though we can be too much like General McCellelon during the civil war always practicing and planning never fighting...

[dor]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

But Santa is real. Or was. He is actually St. Nicholas of Bari, who once lived in Asia Minor, and died in either 345 or 352 CE. He was probably born in Patara in the province of Myra in Asia Minor; some think that he was also the bishop of Myra in Lycia (now Turkey).

During his lifetime, he adored children and often threw gifts anonymously into the windows of their homes. This led to the Santa Claus stories. Many miracles are attributed to Saint Nicholas - it is said for instance that he had brought back to life several children who had been killed.

Over time, people forget the history. So now Santa Claus has largely become a fairy tale for children, and an annual marketing gimmick for department stores. But you can also think of modern-day Santa Claus festivities as a celebration of a jolly good fella who lived many centuries ago.

i agree...and one can truly say his 'spirit' comes alive on Christmas eve.