If you create your own reality does it matter who wins political races?

[jeff3]

I had a long and somewhat heated discussion with an old friend last night about economy, politics, current elections ect... . It all started with a simple question, "Who ya' gonna' vote for? ", I'm sure most of us Americans have been there, perhaps too often lately. Anyway, he proceeds to tell me how it's simple for him because every time a republican was in office he basically suffered and almost starved the whole time, but magically when a democrat was elected things always started going better.

A little background on him is actually needed .... I introduced him to the LOA/IM about 7-8 years ago with some suggested reading and tapes, he got all excited (as most of us did) when he got the notion that he actually was not a victim and life could happen for him instead of to him. He had some initial success with a few techniques and then some serious problems arose in his life and he returned immediately to a victim mentality and just said, "see, this is how it really is!" , "this doesn't work". Since then he's slowly made some progress on his negative thinking and extremely abrasive attitude but he just can't seem to let go of the need to struggle. He has plenty of excuses to believe what he does, drug addiction, failed relationships, legal problems and health problems have been on and off again problems for over 20 years and he just can't seem to take responsibility for all that. I mean, really, who would want to own all that? That's one of the stumbling blocks to turning the corner on the whole IM/LOA concept, you have to be 100% responsible for your past creations in order to accept responsibility for the now and the thus the future.

Back to our discussion, I told him I've done just fine through the same presidents because I assumed responsibility for my life and didn't put my fate in the hands of elected officials. Sure, I vote for whomever I want to, but, I never go to the polls with the idea that the outcome of the election will have any bearing on how I live. I go vote and detach. Personally, I think that the LOA either works or it doesn't, there are no exceptions, only misapplication or hidden beliefs. Our conversation was interesting because he had a never ending stream of "reasons" why my approach couldn't or wouldn't work, and questions about how different situations effected me, like, "Well, I bet those high gas prices affected you" , "How's your ability to find work been effected by the slowed economy?", "What about being overtaxed?" ..... and on and on.

I was actually starting to get sucked into that defeatist thinking when I remembered who I am. "I'm Jeff ******** " and I'm exempt from the rules! I always have been. I've always been this way, even when I didn't understand why. Classmates used to complain all the time that I could get away with anything, I talked myself out of tickets back when I actually got stopped, walked away from several auto accidents (I'll never tell how many) without a scratch and made good grades without studying. Even today, I never advertise or pass out cards and just as I finish a job, someone calls needing a carpenter, I find things on top of dumpsters that sell for big bucks on ebay, people give me things that I like or need-without me asking. Just the other day I thought, "I need a few winter shirts" , 3 days later my sister brought me 3 brand new shirts that she bought for her husband but they were to small for him, to top it off they were way better things than I would normally buy because I'm not really a "clothes person".

The point I'm trying to make isn't that voting doesn't matter, or social issues don't matter, or expressing yourself doesn't matter, but that personally I am very cautious about getting involved in all that "monkey business" as Chuck Berry called it. I choose to define myself, not let the world define me. I've become more aware of this lately because of the debates I've engaged in in the Health & Fitness forum about being a pro-meat person and then realized why I was feeling "off" a little after getting into those back and forth arguments on line. Taking a position "for" anything or "against" anything is polarizing and solidifies my world-view in a way that creates rules that I am then obligated to follow. It thickens the quantum soup to the point that moving things around in it becomes difficult.


Argue for your limitations and, sure enough, their yours.

[silicon toad2000]

Well, whoever wins the elections does matter if their policy decisions affect your reality.
I'm from australia, we get a bit of a simplified and filtered view of your election. From what I understand Obama's anti gun and mcain is pro gun (sorry if that simplified).
If your reality is that you like to play with guns, the outcome of the election could have an impact on your reality.
I agree with your point however that you really make your own luck and the outcome of the election should have nothing to do with the reality of your financial situation.

[Elrond]

According to Abraham, no. Maybe if I find a transcript I can give you a longer answer.

UPDATE: OK this is the only slightly relevant thing I found.

YouTube - Abraham-Hicks on Politics & Environment (Radio Clip)

[cylon]

I can't help it I'm a partisan. And being this way means you invest in the outcome. I will be upset if my guy doesn't win, but at the same time I'm not going to whine and moan about it.

I'm not going to hand over my happiness to one person. I'll make it with or without my party in power. I refuse to say "wow, my life is going to suck now because we got the wrong president".

Life goes on.

[Dan.Linehan]

You can always choose joy.

If you are too joyous in a low vibration world some people might find it jarring and react violently though.

http://www.boreme.com/media/yr2007/c...iot-police.jpg

[dave marshall]

yes it does matter but only to you!

Don't forget though that the human race is developing, and that is a group expression in terms of the race. This group expression is created from all of our personal realities even though it will still fit in whith our beleifs.

There are some things beyond belief! We experience our personal realities but there is also a reality beyond our own and this plays a part in the overall experience that we have as a race: the two go hand in hand,

Dave

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

You can always choose joy.

If you are too joyous in a low vibration world some people might find it jarring and react violently though.

http://www.boreme.com/media/yr2007/c...iot-police.jpg

this is true
A very interesting question put forth in the OP... I guess that theoretically the answer would be no, because we do create our own reality. On the other hand, our reality is based on what we BELIEVE, so if we have little faith in our system and our elected officials, won't that in turn become our truth?

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by silicon toad2000

Well, whoever wins the elections does matter if their policy decisions affect your reality.
I'm from australia, we get a bit of a simplified and filtered view of your election. From what I understand Obama's anti gun and mcain is pro gun (sorry if that simplified).
If your reality is that you like to play with guns, the outcome of the election could have an impact on your reality.
I agree with your point however that you really make your own luck and the outcome of the election should have nothing to do with the reality of your financial situation.

That's actually the only issue that could have much impact on me as I've been a target shooter all my life. I gave up most types of hunting because I'd rather eat a subway sammy than a deer or rabbit but I still shoot paper quite a lot. As for the likely impact, it's very unlikely they will ban ownership of anything because it would cause a real storm, only sales of certain things based on cosmetics , then when the next pro gun group gets in they will undo it. The people that are into the sport generally stock up and could easily go 4 years without buying anything. Gun control is about as useless as the war on drugs, they're just power plays for politicians. Actually a friend of mine who has a gun shop says he can't get stuff in quick enough because of people buying up in anticipation of potential bans.

The Dem's have stayed away from gun issues for several years because they could not get elected if they were vocal but we may get to see if that was just a ploy if they have the run of the house, senate and POTUS. It's just a hobby to me, like golf or swimming or any other sport, not because of some paranoia about the gov like it is for some.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

You can always choose joy.

If you are too joyous in a low vibration world some people might find it jarring and react violently though.

http://www.boreme.com/media/yr2007/c...iot-police.jpg

No kidding, people have been crucified for following their bliss and teaching what we are discussing.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by dave marshall

yes it does matter but only to you!

Don't forget though that the human race is developing, and that is a group expression in terms of the race. This group expression is created from all of our personal realities even though it will still fit in whith our beleifs.

There are some things beyond belief! We experience our personal realities but there is also a reality beyond our own and this plays a part in the overall experience that we have as a race: the two go hand in hand,

Dave

There is truth to that, it can be seen in the case of people who hold very different views than the general public, they tend to isolate, and draw a lot of scrutiny for their separatist views. If others feel their reality or world-view being threatened by a nonconformist it frequently ends up that the nonconformist is punished in some way for upsetting the status quo.

[wellbeing]

Jeff, I'm with you on this one. I live in a (U.S.) city which prides itself on having politics as its past-time (followed by sports) and this election there have been many issues that people around me want to "discuss." (well, argue their point-of-view <hehe> )

As innocent as these "invitations" seem, I've politely dodged all of them with observations like "I'm for the candidate for the greatest good" or "That's between me and the ballot box" or some such thing.

But I do delight in voting. Not only is it a great privilege, but I view it as an extension of my manifesting. It's me placing a preference with the Universe. And whenever I find myself wanting to vote "against" something, I take it as great reminder to look where I'm resisting in my world.

In my world, nonconformists are not even recognized as threatening if they are aligned with Source (which is a good thing since I'm a big nonconformist ), so I can't speak to those comments.

Happy Election Day! May we all win!

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

You can always choose joy.

If you are too joyous in a low vibration world some people might find it jarring and react violently though.

http://www.boreme.com/media/yr2007/c...iot-police.jpg

I love that picture! Joy activism at its finest!

[themaster]

The answer is NO

But it doesn't mean we can't have preferences about who we want for the job.. and manifest though preferences through events/people

[StarieEyed]

"Taking a position "for" anything or "against" anything is polarizing and solidifies my world-view in a way that creates rules that I am then obligated to follow. It thickens the quantum soup to the point that moving things around in it becomes difficult."

Thank you for this. I have been struggling the past few days with some thoughts and this totally clears it up for me!

[themaster]

Actually, I want to re-clarify my position on this..

The Answer is NO but only if you understand that you have the POWER not them.. if you give the president etc. your power the then answer is YES it matters to you.. unfortunately this is the case for many observed individuals on this planet..