Did The Secret originate from this?

[alsy]

I stumbled across something that looks so close to The Secret that I wonder if the creator of The Secret took the course herself. The course is free from the following website Secret Manuscript
I am part way through it at the moment.
Weather the Author of the movie created it or not, is not the question, but i thought it too good to not share.

[ReallyGoodIdeas]

had a look, it looks similar doesn't it? Might try it out myself.

joy to you alsy
Hazel

[Markus74]

Thanks, I will check it out. Especially if it's really free

Happy holidays to everyone!

[edit: an interesting comment in lesson 2:

If you continue to do things 'consciously', you'll continue to be only 10% efficient.

Somebody tell Steve to stop ending his podcasts with "Live consciously"! ]

[rono]

Actually, I compared "The Secret Manuscript" to "The Master Key System" by Charles F. Haanel which I believe came from the Official Website of "The Secret". They're nearly identical---at first glance, I would say 90%. So this leads me to believe they came from the same source.

[MindReality]

Actually the Secret IS the Master Key System. You can download the Master Key System from here: http://mindreality.com/masterkeysystem.pdf

There is also The Secret behind the Secret which not everyone knows about:

True Theory of Everything in the Universe » Secrets of Mind and Reality

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by MindReality

Actually the Secret IS the Master Key System. You can download the Master Key System from here: http://mindreality.com/masterkeysystem.pdf

It should have been obvious that the 'Secret' is just a nice repackaging of an old (and free) theory.

There is also The Secret behind the Secret which not everyone knows about:

True Theory of Everything in the Universe » Secrets of Mind and Reality

This is just the christian mumbojumbo version.

[MindReality]

Originally Posted by Markus74

This is just the christian mumbojumbo version.

That is incorrect. Read the post carefully. It is about the Seven Hermetic Principles which is the Secret behind the Secret of the Master Key System.

Learn to look for the essence of a thing before you throw it away just because it contains a Christian Perspective to it.

[Frans]

Originally Posted by MindReality

It is about the Seven Hermetic Principles which is the Secret behind the Secret of the Master Key System.

And "the Seven Hermetic Principles which is the Secret behind the Secret of the Master Key System" originates from...?
It seems we are trapped in a never ending story.

[Markus74]

I bet it all comes down to the ancient Egyptians

[maryelyn]

Originally Posted by Markus74

I bet it all comes down to the ancient Egyptians

what, have you forgotten atlantis?

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by maryelyn

what, have you forgotten atlantis?

True! How could I??

[MindReality]

The books on alchemy and it's history all goes back to a man the Hebrews called Enoch, the Egyptians called Thoth, in Greece, they call him Hermes Trismegistus, all the same man. It is claimed he ascended by partaking of the white drops, the man who never died, he ascended because he was so perfect. Hermes was the god of magic and writing. As a divine fountain of writing, Hermes Trismegistus was credited with tens of thousands of writings of high standing, reputed to be of immense antiquity.

Hermes is called "Thrice Wise"—Hermes Trismegistus—because he was threefold: the first of the name, comparable to Thoth, was a "civilizing hero," an initiator into the mysteries of the divine science and wisdom that animate the world; he carved the principles of this sacred science in hieroglyphs. The second Hermes, in Babylon, was the initiator of Pythagoras. The third Hermes was the first teacher of Alchemy. "A faceless prophet," writes the Islamicist Pierre Lory, "Hermes possesses no concrete or salient characteristics, differing in this regard from most of the major figures of the Bible and the Quran."

[Fusebox]

MindReality, thanks for posting the pdf link to Master Key System. Ive just read the first 10 or so pages. Im going to be busy reading this over the next few days.

Just wanted to get peoples thoughts on something. It mentioned somewhere that the Church banned the book for whatever reason.

Since Ive started reading about PD and positive thinking and what not. Im begining to realise that religion and PD go hand in hand. Is that a fair assessment on my part? or no?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Fusebox

Since Ive started reading about PD and positive thinking and what not. Im begining to realise that religion and PD go hand in hand. Is that a fair assessment on my part? or no?

Well, of course.

Who invented the phrase "positive thinking"? A guy called Norman Vincent Peale way back in the 1950s. What was his occupation? Pastor.

Markus has declared that he does believe in positive thinking. But Markus does not even realise that the founder of the positive thinking concept believed in the IM concept.

Norman's books are peppered with many accounts not just of how positive thinking provides self-motivation, but also manifests people, events and circumstances at the right time and place .... for the positive thinker.

Prayer, by the way, is one form of intention-manifestation. But of course! Deep prayer is, after all, intense thought + strong belief (faith). That's IM.

[ReallyGoodIdeas]

I was reading a booklet from my mother's religion (they took it up about 5 years ago), Ba'hai. Very nice religion as they go. But in this booklet it had instructions on how to pray, from the founder of the religion (whose name confuses me, so I forget it). these instructions had about 5 steps and the steps are the steps of I-M as clearly expressed as ever I've seen them! So a direct link for you. Sorry i can't link to it, it was on paper!

joy to you
Hazel

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Markus has declared that he does believe in positive thinking. But Markus does not even realise that the founder of the positive thinking concept believed in the IM concept.

Positive thinking didn't need to be invented. It's an observation anyone can make.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Markus74

Positive thinking didn't need to be invented.

The term did not exist before the 1950s. Prior to that, people probably thought what they thought. If you had tried to think "positively", people would just consider you "unrealistic" or "lacking objectivity".

[maryelyn]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

The term did not exist before the 1950s. Prior to that, people probably thought what they thought. If you had tried to think "positively", people would just consider you "unrealistic" or "lacking objectivity".

well, the term may not have been publicized prior to the 50's (time out for a brief moment of nostalgia... ), but that's not to say that the concept wasn't existent. i find it hard to believe that nvp was the first person in history to realize that 'positive thinking' was a good thing...

[Markus74]

I'm still reading the 'Secret Manuscript' and it's indeed totally the same than what's said in the 'Secret'.

I've just read the following:

Also remember that you can have always have you want without strain or struggle. It is your natural birthright.

Does anyone of you have a real example of someone getting rich without strain or struggle? Just by sitting on the couch and thinking that it would be nice to be rich?

How would that money suddenly appear in your bank account or in your pocket? Would it just materialize? And I'm speaking about getting rich here. Not the $5 from an uncle because you told him a funny joke.

[Frans]

Originally Posted by Markus74

Does anyone of you have a real example of someone getting rich without strain or struggle? Just by sitting on the couch and thinking that it would be nice to be rich?

Well, when I finished reading the entire "Secret Manuscript", I got an email from them. There are two additional manuscripts available "for only $19.97".
These two manuscripts are more valuable than the other 24 manuscripts, because you'll "learn how you can sow dimes and reap dollars".

So Markus74, buy these chapters and you'll be a rich man.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Frans

Well, when I finished reading the entire "Secret Manuscript", I got an email from them. There are two additional manuscripts available "for only $19.97".
These two manuscripts are more valuable than the other 24 manuscripts, because you'll "learn how you can sow dimes and reap dollars".

So Markus74, buy these chapters and you'll be a rich man.

Yeah, I got that e-mail too now! What a surprise though!

[Eternal Wayfarer]

Is there such a thing as originate, when the same idea existed all along with the infinite possibilites, and when it is time the idea is expressed simultaneously or periodically through individuals meant to express the idea, in different ways, different languages, different continent. Still, it means the same.

Are people so really insecure that they have to claim credits when all come from the same source?

Its like a pimple saying, I am the biggest, and little does it realize that it is going to pop and it doesn't really matter. Or is people to pay homage to the pimple and worship it and finally insist that it is the one and one and only. When the scope gets bigger you see the face, and bigger, you see the head and so forth. Same with everything.

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by Markus74

Does anyone of you have a real example of someone getting rich without strain or struggle? Just by sitting on the couch and thinking that it would be nice to be rich?

How would that money suddenly appear in your bank account or in your pocket? Would it just materialize? And I'm speaking about getting rich here. Not the $5 from an uncle because you told him a funny joke.

Lots of manifestations arise as opportunities, opportunities only become say, money, if you act upon them. I don't think any of the proponents of IM on this forum subscribe to the notions you constantly are trying to force on them.

Honestly, you're kind of annoying. Not because you don't believe, that's perfectly acceptable, but that you try to tell us what we believe and why it doesn't work. If you can find me someone who practices IM, and then doesn't actively look for the synchronicities and opportunities, then I will show you someone who doesnt believe in IM any longer.

It's like any belief you hold true, you'll see it when you believe it...not the other way around.

The only thing that blows my mind is that you waste so much energy on trying to debunk this, when it doesn't gain you anything other than some short lived bragging rights for getting someone off the team, and thats nothing more than petty ego stroking. Especially because in other forums I see you are interested in personal development. You knock your awareness down about 5 notches everytime you come into the IM forum and its quite baffling to me.

[MindReality]

Originally Posted by Lucas

Lots of manifestations arise as opportunities, opportunities only become say, money, if you act upon them. I don't think any of the proponents of IM on this forum subscribe to the notions you constantly are trying to force on them.

Honestly, you're kind of annoying. Not because you don't believe, that's perfectly acceptable, but that you try to tell us what we believe and why it doesn't work. If you can find me someone who practices IM, and then doesn't actively look for the synchronicities and opportunities, then I will show you someone who doesnt believe in IM any longer.

It's like any belief you hold true, you'll see it when you believe it...not the other way around.

The only thing that blows my mind is that you waste so much energy on trying to debunk this, when it doesn't gain you anything other than some short lived bragging rights for getting someone off the team, and thats nothing more than petty ego stroking. Especially because in other forums I see you are interested in personal development. You knock your awareness down about 5 notches everytime you come into the IM forum and its quite baffling to me.

I feel the same way about this as well.

[Reindeer]

Originally Posted by Markus74

I'm still reading the 'Secret Manuscript' and it's indeed totally the same than what's said in the 'Secret'.

I've just read the following:



Does anyone of you have a real example of someone getting rich without strain or struggle? Just by sitting on the couch and thinking that it would be nice to be rich?

How would that money suddenly appear in your bank account or in your pocket? Would it just materialize? And I'm speaking about getting rich here. Not the $5 from an uncle because you told him a funny joke.

Markus, if you don't mind I would like to ask you a question. You seem to have some strong objections to this idea. I'm curious as to why... is it due to the way it is being packaged/marketed, or is it the underlying concept that a person's thoughts and attitudes shape their reality?

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by Frans

Well, when I finished reading the entire "Secret Manuscript", I got an email from them. There are two additional manuscripts available "for only $19.97".
These two manuscripts are more valuable than the other 24 manuscripts, because you'll "learn how you can sow dimes and reap dollars".

I too followed the Secret Manuscript till the end and got the same email. On the whole I have a lot of positive things to say about it....and it has help me with my affirmations.

What I also did was to check out who owned this web site that it was on and now I have more questions than answers. Not about the manuscript. I understand that whoever put it on the web has given it away as a freebie to entice you into buying £2500/$4000 worth of other courses. Standard marketing trick. What concerns me is that I did some investigating and it would seem the owner of the domain has been implecated in some SCAM schemes in Canada and the US. The other thing is the web site is registered in the Bahama's some where.

Any ideas about the chap who is on the manuscript web site, Varenycuiz? I can't seem to find too much about him?

G

[Will Edwards]

Originally Posted by rono

Actually, I compared "The Secret Manuscript" to "The Master Key System" by Charles F. Haanel which I believe came from the Official Website of "The Secret". They're nearly identical---at first glance, I would say 90%. So this leads me to believe they came from the same source.

Yes - that's pretty much my understanding too. You can get a copy of the Master Key System at the link in my signature.

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by Gordon

I too followed the Secret Manuscript till the end and got the same email. On the whole I have a lot of positive things to say about it....and it has help me with my affirmations.

What I also did was to check out who owned this web site that it was on and now I have more questions than answers. Not about the manuscript. I understand that whoever put it on the web has given it away as a freebie to entice you into buying £2500/$4000 worth of other courses. Standard marketing trick. What concerns me is that I did some investigating and it would seem the owner of the domain has been implecated in some SCAM schemes in Canada and the US. The other thing is the web site is registered in the Bahama's some where.

Any ideas about the chap who is on the manuscript web site, Varenycuiz? I can't seem to find too much about him?

G

The FACT that the Bible is riddled with quite valid nuggets of universal truth and wisdom does not prevent armies of holy rollin' preachers ad nauseum from exploiting it for power and profit.

Don't think that metaphysical philosophies and wisdom is any more immune from scam artists than any other belief system. It doesn't make the concepts any less true because SOME lesser-evolved POE's choose to exploit our interest in the subject for material gain. Truth is truth and BS is BS, and when one listens to his or her heart, one can usually tell the difference.

~ RS

[MindReality]

Originally Posted by Rocket Surgery

Don't think that metaphysical philosophies and wisdom is any more immune from scam artists than any other belief system. It doesn't make the concepts any less true because SOME lesser-evolved POE's choose to exploit our interest in the subject for material gain. Truth is truth and BS is BS, and when one listens to his or her heart, one can usually tell the difference.

Well said! That's the reason why there is a lot of nonsense theories in the intention-manifestation circle and people are wondering which is true and which is not. It's causing so much confusion and contradiction until someone who knows exactly what is what in this field, steps forward to tell it like it is.

[Dani]

Originally Posted by Markus74

Does anyone of you have a real example of someone getting rich without strain or struggle? Just by sitting on the couch and thinking that it would be nice to be rich?

How would that money suddenly appear in your bank account or in your pocket? Would it just materialize? And I'm speaking about getting rich here. Not the $5 from an uncle because you told him a funny joke.

The problem with this Markus, is that that sort of activity is completely counter to the LOA. Part of LOA requires to act as if your desire is already in place.

I doubt anyone if they were rich, wouldn't sit on the couch on all day everyday. It is only when you act in accordance with your desire, acting with the belief that you will succeed, that you attract what you need to allow you to succeed. You still need to do it yourself though. You will attract the resources, money and people you need to enable you to do it.

You are absolutely correct that no one gets wealthy and free without some effort and often some pain. The pain comes often because in order to gain we need to lose first to make room for the gain. The 'pain' is all self created by us wanting to hold onto things we need to let go of in order to get where we want to go.

I counter challenge you. Find me a single person who has become, and remained wealthy (not born there or didn't win it then lose it a year later) without intending to do so. Find me a consistent set of people who got rich sitting on their coach bemoaning their place in the world and how hard done by they are, and you will start to gain some credit.

Good luck with that one. I think you will find every single self made millionare in the world intended to be one when they started.

It may come as no suprise then that the people who speak most loudly about how this works are the successful, and the ones who debunk it most are the unsuccessful.