I-M in objective and subjective reality

[Frans]

If you believe in I-M and if you see this world as an objective reality, you are obliged to consider the universe as a supreme power, because that's the only way to rationalize I-M: you send an intention to the universe, the universe delivers.
Do you realize that in this scenario, the universe has to deal with millions of conflicting (conscious and unconscious) intentions every day?
Needless to say the world would be an entire mess if all these intentions would be manifested.
If only the "strongest" intentions are manifested, it means that many other intentions never get manifested.

If you believe in I-M and if you believe that this world is your subjective reality, it means that this universe is a projection of your thoughts.
In this case, it would be completely redundant to use I-M to get what you want: as the universe is yours, the universe knows what you need and you'll get it before you even can think of it.

My conclusion is:
In objective reality, it is impossible that I-M works always and for everyone, because it would make things immensely complicated (you should ask yourself: WHO wants this?)

In a subjective reality model, I-M is totally superfluous.

[Markus74]

Frans: You've yet again clearly identified the problems and expressed them more clearly then I ever could!

[Lil Chris]

I fail to see the problem... Cannot both exist..?
I think we all agree that objective reality exists, as that's what we were taught from the begining... and lived most of our lives, but...

Wouldn't it take a level of understanding to progress to another level of existing... In Subjective reality...? Perhaps I-M is the tool to evolve...

Just a thought...

[Akashic_Librarian]

I think a quote by Terry Goodkind would be useful in this situation:

"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they are afraid it might be true."

You are afraid that IM might be true and so would anyone with a lower level of consciousness, I was there once ( I know I sound conceeded but bear with me)

What you need to understand is that its ok to not believe in IM but its NOT ok to tell us we are all wrong!

[Frans]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they are afraid it might be true."

This quote illustrates my reasoning perfectly.
Thank you.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Touche.

But you have skipped a very important fact. I am not stupid.

[Frans]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Touche.

But you have skipped a very important fact. I am not stupid.

As these are forums for Smart People, I consider everybody here smart.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Touche.

But you have skipped a very important fact. I am not stupid.

But you were implying that Frans is?

[Akashic_Librarian]

I never said that.

[AviMar]

Originally Posted by Frans

If you believe in I-M and if you believe that this world is your subjective reality, it means that this universe is a projection of your thoughts.
In this case, it would be completely redundant to use I-M to get what you want: as the universe is yours, the universe knows what you need and you'll get it before you even can think of it.

Only in the last few days have I read what Steve had to say on I-M and SR. It was the only thing left on the top articles list - glad I read them.
In SR, the point of I-M would be to crystallize and focus on the changes you want to make.
It is a way of sorting out the incongruent and conflicting mindsets and strengthening the one you want to actualize.
So, I-M is a method that already works in SR - I would view it as a method of changing your SR most effectively.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I think we all agree that objective reality exists, as that's what we were taught from the begining... and lived most of our lives, but...

Wouldn't it take a level of understanding to progress to another level of existing... In Subjective reality...? Perhaps I-M is the tool to evolve...

Just a thought...

Also just a thought, but maybe subjective reality is not "another level of existing"; it's just one more way of wishful thinking.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Also just a thought, but maybe subjective reality is not "another level of existing"; it's just one more way of wishful thinking.

Sam, what fascinates you so much about SR and IM?

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Also just a thought, but maybe subjective reality is not "another level of existing"; it's just one more way of wishful thinking.

Very good sam... Now, who decides which one holds truth...?

[petewilliams]

I think if you believe in SR then as you say, the universe will always provide what you ask for. The problem is that most people usually have conflicting thoughts, and would therefore not necessarily always manifest what they truly want. I see I-M as a way of focusing your thoughts and making sure that the universe provides only the good stuff. Which is basically what AviMar just said... :P

Pete

[Jennihul]

Who concentrates that massively purely? No one I know. The balance of your emotions and the balance of your focused imagery determines what you basically manifest. Good things/bad things. Neutral or random things. Specific things require massive focus. A constant state of high vibration, if you want good things. Very few people trying LOA are probably capable of this.

Omnipotent. A good word. Forgetting the universal source of all is omnipotent compared to our own abilities (which are limited by our physical existance)would make one question such things. The 'universe' has no trouble keeping things straight.

Besides, look around the world. Seems pretty chaotic and random to me. I mean people follow certain rules and patterns of living but individuals are pretty random.

Jennifer