Advanced LOA proof and practice.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Angela

Maybe there is, and maybe there isn't.

Even from the subjective reality perspective, I would have to believe that there must be something out there that is Absolutely True, something that holds everything together. I suppose I would just call this thing God.

[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Actually John, I don't think the Internet exists. I'm sure it exists for you, though.

I think it's a bit like everything else, since it's all made up of subatomic particles. When I log off, either it isn't there anymore, or if it is, that's because someone else is logged on, or ... you know ... Someone Else is logged on (shhhhh!) See? It's really cool.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Now is Z, the LOA practitioner, insane to deliberately choose his thoughts? Is he self-delusional to consciously exercise suppleness in selecting his perspective?

That is what John will tell you.

However, I see Z as simply being wise. What say you?

I could be wrong, but I think you're mistaken about John. I think John would just tell you that "Z had a good attitude, and is indeed wise."

Many self-help/motivational speakers who do not believe in LOA will preach about the importance of a good attitude. You may of heard of such things like "we can't control everything, but we can control how we react to everything."

I believe Brian Tracy said, "You cannot control [everything] that happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you."

I suppose, ALG, you might say it is possible to control everything that happens to you by consciously using LOA. But I think you would agree that it requires perfect control of the mind, which you believe no one has.

John, I don't believe in subatomic particles. Maybe they exist for you. However, in your reality, what you said makes sense. Heheheh.

And Someone Else? Don't you know we are all one? There is no one else! Stop arguing with me, I mean... you, I mean me.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Even from the subjective reality perspective, I would have to believe that there must be something out there that is Absolutely True, something that holds everything together. I suppose I would just call this thing God.

Yes, I get what you're saying. From the perspective I'm using right now, there isn't any "out there" to hold things together, because we're all One, with many aspects. There's no need to hold the aspects together, and no need to worry about falling apart, since we're all part of One. If I was going to call anything God, I reckon it would be Oneness. (But I won't. ).

edit: Ha! I just saw your note to John.

[Daffy Duck]

I see that. I mention "we are all one," and then you mention it nearly the same exact second. We must be psychic. Or psycho. Let's go with the first (it's more profitable).

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

I suppose, ALG, you might say it is possible to control everything that happens to you by consciously using LOA.

Don't forget that "control" and "guidance" are not the same thing. I won't speak for ALG, but I don't consider controlling everything that happens to me to be my job* -- that would take most of the fun out of the Human Game. But guiding my experience of everything that happens to me, now, that IS fun!

So far, I haven't found my experience of anything that "happens to me" to be beyond the reach of my conscious guidance.


* No one else's, either.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

I see that. I mention "we are all one," and then you mention it nearly the same exact second. We must be psychic. Or psycho. Let's go with the first (it's more profitable).

[John Freestone]

My previous post was my final one here at Steve Pavlina's P Dev for Smart People (I wonder how they stop the idiots getting in).

Originally Posted by Angela

Maybe you missed ALG's posts about 1) relative truth and 2) suppleness vs. inconsistency? He explained these concepts so well!

It's a pity I missed that. I got bored pointing out the holes in his arguments long ago and suffering the tirade of personal abuse coming the other way.

Perhaps they'll help you understand what I'm trying to say -- if you are at all interested in understanding me, that is!

Not really. Thanks anyway. You were interesting for so long. I've figured you out now, so you're just an enormous bore now. mwu

I don't believe my thoughts are The Truth, but linguistic convention calls for me to express them as if they were. I pepper my posts with phrases like "I believe" and "I think" but it would be terribly tedious and not as much fun to read if I was always adding, "..but that's not The Absolute, Objective Truth."

Ain't that the truth?

If someone tells me that there is no point in talking to me, I will not expect them to never talk to me again, because in fact, they would be talking to me in the present moment, when they said, "there's no point in talking to you, Angela!" Since you are still talking to me, it looks like there is indeed a point to talking to me. Do you know what that point is?

I think you're mistaking me for someone who's still here.

Were you angry with me? Doesn't it strike you as an opportunity to learn something about yourself that you find yourself getting angry or exasperated or upset because I don't think the way you want me to think?

No. You're assuming the (wrong) reason I was angry.

It doesn't mean anything about me if you feel angry; you can't change me, but you can change your thoughts.

Yep, and I can have gone somewhere else.

So you're not always logically consistent in conversation, huh? Sometimes you're just emotionally expressive.

No, I am always 100% logically consistent and emotionally expressive at the same time. Or I was when I was here.

Okay, thanks. I wonder if "loose ends" will ever be tied up for you, though? It seems like there's always some point on which you'll want to have the last word.

No, you're having the last word there. I left. I didn't want to hear any more of your passive agressive accusations with or without nice smiley winks at the end.

I also wish you all the best for the future, and I hope you think exactly as you choose to think!

I will, of course, within reason.

[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

I could be wrong, but I think you're mistaken about John. I think John would just tell you that "Z had a good attitude, and is indeed wise."

You have to go putting words in my mouth Daffy, don't you. John would have said "Z has a very stupid name".

Seriously though, yeah, you're spot on, and I explained all that until the cows came home. Unfortunately, the cows were just a figment of ALG's deranged imagination.

[Angela]

Perfect! Exactly what I mean by relative truth!

I am no longer here, and at the same time, I am here.

You are an enormous bore, and yet I continue to engage with you.

I have figured you out, and yet I have no interest in understanding you.

You can have the last word, as I'm no longer here.

By George, I think you've got it! It's easy to see the truth in both sides of an apparently contradictory statement, if you look, and if you're supple.

Happy trails to you, John.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Angela

So far, I haven't found my experience of anything that "happens to me" to be beyond the reach of my conscious guidance.

Let's discuss an extremely unlikely hypothetical. I assume you're inside a building right now. Okay, so if a cow comes soaring through the window and lands on top of you in the next ten minutes, do you feel that it happened through your conscious guidance? If so, would you mind explaining how?

Or am I mistaking what you mean by "happens to me?"

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Let's discuss an extremely unlikely hypothetical. I assume you're inside a building right now. Okay, so if a cow comes soaring through the window and lands on top of you in the next ten minutes, do you feel that it happened through your conscious guidance? If so, would you mind explaining how?

Or am I mistaking what you mean by "happens to me?"

That is a funny hypothetical happening!

So, remember I was saying that I'm not interested in controlling everything that happens to me, because that's not my job in the human game? It may be possible to control everything that happens, I don't know, but that's not my concern and I don't advocate it as part of the LoA or any other practice.

What I am interested in is guiding my reality, and the LoA is a fun practice for that. What I mean by guiding my reality is: deliberately thinking thoughts that feel good when I think them. That practice of guiding my thoughts actually (REAL-ly) controls how the world occurs for me, and that is reality. Must I add "...for me."? Of course it's subjective, because my subjective experience is my only experience, even as it includes the experience of others who declare and "prove" objective reality. Funny!

I'm not interested in deliberately having a cow come flying in through my window, and I'm not interested in some of the random, "If you can do anything, why can't you magically do this or that?" stuff that people around here sometimes come up with. Why? Because I don't want them. I am not vibrationally aligned with having a cow coming in through my window, as they sometimes say in LoA circles.

What I am interested in, what I do want, are my heart's desires, and I've noticed that when I deliberately think thoughts that are in vibrational alignment with those desires, that is, when I'm thinking thoughts that feel good when I think them, what I desire occurs in reality. And when I'm thinking thoughts that don't feel good, what I don't consciously desire also occurs in reality.

Now, back to your cow. Hypothetically speaking, if a cow comes flying into my window in the next ten minutes, I have infinite choice in what I can deliberately think. The first thing that occurs to me is: "How funny! We were just talking about this!" And I might ask the paramedics to take a look at my laptop to see this conversation. Wouldn't that be fun? Also: I LOVE paramedics. Hey! this just happened, and I'm still alive! (hopefully ). This is going to make SOME story. I wonder if there is some money to be made from this? Danger Man is going to really be surprised. Hey! A TOY cow just flew in my window! Or my neighbor just came up the fire escape and he is having a cow. You just never know with these hypotheticals -- anything can happen!

Or I also have the choice to guide my feelings in another direction: Oh, no, I've been hit by a cow. I might die. The cow might die. Everything hurts and it'll take me months to recover. Not to mention the window. These things always happen to me. Life sucks. My parents were right, I wasted my life, and now it's over because I've been hit by a cow. I hate cows. I'm lactose intolerant. .... And of course, my thoughts would come *real.* Those things really would occur for me as reality.

I am infinite power, joy, and abundance, and whether or not I can control what happens to me is not important to me, because I am all the power in the world over how the world occurs for me. Really!

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Angela

That is a funny hypothetical happening!

Have you seen what happens to me in cartoons? That's everyday life.

So my understanding is that you didn't ask for the cow to come flying through the window, per say, but you can always choose how you experience the cow coming through the window. Is that accurate? If so, I call that "having a great attitude!"

Recently my girlfriend and I were in a car accident. We were just sitting at a red light, minding our own business, when two cars collided in front of us at 45mph, with one being sent into us. Naturally (or unnaturally) this would have scared and caused a lot of stress for many people. But for us, we almost started laughing.

Our conversation went like this.
Daffy: Are you okay?
Girlfriend: Yeah, are you?
Daffy: Yeah I'm fine. Well that was fun.
Girlfriend: I was so close to getting in Reverse and backing away! (Indeed, she was quick enough to get it in Reverse, but not enough so to hit the gas pedal)
Daffy: It was in front of us, and we were like whoa. Then it came for us, and we were like WHOA! Well, let's get out. Gotta make sure no one is dead.

No one was dead, fortunately. One of the ladies had an ******* husband though. When he arrived in his crappy excuse for a sports car, he was clearly more upset about his wife's car than his wife's well-being.

So my point. I don't think we did anything to attract a car being sent into us (although I'm sure some might disagree and say we somehow attracted it on an unconscious level), but we certainly controlled how we reacted and felt about it.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

So my point. I don't think we did anything to attract a car being sent into us (although I'm sure some might agree), but we certainly controlled how we reacted and felt about it.

Yeah, I'm not certain about the attracting of cars and cows -- you know, manifesting things 'n stuff. I think ALG is more interested in that. I'm more interested in ways of being, because I like to eliminate the middleman (or middlecow) and go straight to the heart of my desire. This can be done right here right now, no waiting required, as you noticed in the car that day.

Interestingly, though, fun things 'n stuff are showing up more and more, as I practice the art of deliberate thought.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Angela

That is a funny hypothetical happening!

So, remember I was saying that I'm not interested in controlling everything that happens to me, because that's not my job in the human game? It may be possible to control everything that happens, I don't know, but that's not my concern and I don't advocate it as part of the LoA or any other practice.

What I am interested in is guiding my reality, and the LoA is a fun practice for that. What I mean by guiding my reality is: deliberately thinking thoughts that feel good when I think them. That practice of guiding my thoughts actually (REAL-ly) controls how the world occurs for me, and that is reality. Must I add "...for me."? Of course it's subjective, because my subjective experience is my only experience, even as it includes the experience of others who declare and "prove" objective reality. Funny!

I'm not interested in deliberately having a cow come flying in through my window, and I'm not interested in some of the random, "If you can do anything, why can't you magically do this or that?" stuff that people around here sometimes come up with. Why? Because I don't want them. I am not vibrationally aligned with having a cow coming in through my window, as they sometimes say in LoA circles.

What I am interested in, what I do want, are my heart's desires, and I've noticed that when I deliberately think thoughts that are in vibrational alignment with those desires, that is, when I'm thinking thoughts that feel good when I think them, what I desire occurs in reality. And when I'm thinking thoughts that don't feel good, what I don't consciously desire also occurs in reality.

Now, back to your cow. Hypothetically speaking, if a cow comes flying into my window in the next ten minutes, I have infinite choice in what I can deliberately think. The first thing that occurs to me is: "How funny! We were just talking about this!" And I might ask the paramedics to take a look at my laptop to see this conversation. Wouldn't that be fun? Also: I LOVE paramedics. Hey! this just happened, and I'm still alive! (hopefully ). This is going to make SOME story. I wonder if there is some money to be made from this? Danger Man is going to really be surprised. Hey! A TOY cow just flew in my window! Or my neighbor just came up the fire escape and he is having a cow. You just never know with these hypotheticals -- anything can happen!

Or I also have the choice to guide my feelings in another direction: Oh, no, I've been hit by a cow. I might die. The cow might die. Everything hurts and it'll take me months to recover. Not to mention the window. These things always happen to me. Life sucks. My parents were right, I wasted my life, and now it's over because I've been hit by a cow. I hate cows. I'm lactose intolerant. .... And of course, my thoughts would come *real.* Those things really would occur for me as reality.

I am infinite power, joy, and abundance, and whether or not I can control what happens to me is not important to me, because I am all the power in the world over how the world occurs for me. Really!

OK, see what you two knuckleheads are doing ..... lol, its a moose not a cow...but really - I hold you two responsible for this.
Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

[Angela]

Ha! "I guess it's kinda a once-in-a-million thing, and it happened to me."

[torilink]

I finished reading your *cow through the window* posts and clicked to CNN and there was this story!! LOL too funny

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by torilink

lol, its a moose not a cow...

A female moose is called a cow.

Dang Angela, we're good. This LOA stuff is easier than I thought!

And now a victory song: Grooveshark -- Listen to Free Music

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

I could be wrong, but I think you're mistaken about John. I think John would just tell you that "Z had a good attitude, and is indeed wise."

I think you're mistaken. John would ask, "How many hours do you work? How difficult is the work? And you have never done this before? And no one is helping you?" etc.

And if he receives a certain set of replies, John would say, "God this job damned well sucks! If you try to think it's a great job, then you're just self-delusional!"

I believe Brian Tracy said, "You cannot control [everything] that happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you."

LOL, please do not rely on Brian Tracy as support for a "The LOA does not exist" proposition.

Go read his books again. Look here, someone made a summary of Tracy's book "Goals!". http:/www.users.bigpond/mcewing/Goals%200512.htm Some extracts for you:

Your mind creates reality
Inner world - outer world
Your thoughts are creative
Whatever you can hold in your mind for a continuing basis, you will have
Impress the goals into the subconscious
Calmly and confidently believe
The subconscious will start attracting people and circumstances to bring the goals into reality
Activate your superconscious mind
Change the mental pictures, the outside world will begin to change
The phenomenon of synchronicity and serendipidity
Feel you are plugged into a cosmic energy force

[Angela]

Toooo Funny! Yes, we are master moovers.

[Acting Like Godot]

Please ... There is nothing very unusual about cows falling out the sky etc etc.

Cow Falls Out of Sky Onto Minivan Driving By

I've even come across sharks being found in the swimming pool:

Shark in swimming pool - DIVE Latest News

Here's a tiger found near an apartment complex in Dallas:

Bengal tiger found shot to death near Dallas apartment complex | Dallas | pegasusnews.com

Here you will find accounts of frogs, birds, fish and a gopher turtle falling out the sky:

BBC - Weather Centre - WeatherWise - Living with the Weather - Severe

In my country, we had reports of crocodiles sunning themselves in the central business district, next to a few skyscrapers. But I cannot locate those reports now.

Etc etc. Reality will be as strange as the many millions of minds out there. It's a question of whether you notice it or not. And that depends on your reticular activating cortex.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I think you're mistaken.

Well then we have a similar thought towards each other, now don't we.

LOL, please do not rely on Brian Tracy as support for a "The LOA does not exist" proposition.

LOL, I don't. This is so funny to me because I knew you were going to tell me that Brian Tracy believes in LOA, and I knew I was going to reply back to you about it. I could have changed this by wording my previous post to you in a different way, splitting the paragraphs up better, but oh well.

I'm been a big fan of Brian Tracy's work for a few years and know that he talks about LOA. I was quoting him in reference to attitude, and noting that he says that we can't control everything that happens to us. I wasn't using him to support my claim that "many self-talk authors don't believe in LOA." That was just a small claim and really doesn't mean much anyway. Besides, I don't agree with everything Tracy says. Heck, I don't agree with everything anyone says, even my past self. I'm also a fan of Jack Canfield's work, who even appeared in The Secret (blah).

Attitude is independent of LOA. It's not like prayer, which has its belief in a religion (praying to Jesus, or Allah, or whoever). Anyway, I'm trying to avoid getting into a conversation about LOA after we agreed not to, so consider this more about Brian Tracy.

We've all heard of strange stories, ALG. The cow story is funny because we were just talking about it and then something similar showed up on CNN. I'm not saying it's extremely unusual, although it would be unusual if one flew into Angela!

Originally Posted by Angela

Toooo Funny! Yes, we are master moovers.

I see what you did there.

[Wax Frog]

Someone loaned me a Brian Tracy tape many years before I'd ever heard of LoA. Good to know he's 'on the team'

The Bigpond URL isn't working for me; a shame, since I'd fit right in

(When I Google for this, I get a sponsored link that says, "Eat that Frog, by Tracy" )

[Daffy Duck]

Eat That Frog is great. I've listened to more of his audio tracks than books. I like his "21 tips" tracks, like these: Brian Tracy International. They have proven fruitful for me.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Please ... There is nothing very unusual about cows falling out the sky etc etc.

Cow Falls Out of Sky Onto Minivan Driving By

ALG, you've gone round the bend. There certainly is something very unusual about cows falling out of the sky! Now it's like you're reversed yourself. You imply that it's very unusual and worth mentioning if you decide to manifest dragons and see one on the cover of a book, but it's not unusual for a cow to fly in through the window of a house?

I got a big charge out of the synkro, everybody. The female moose cow.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I got a big charge out of the synkro, everybody. The female moose cow.

I am getting this psychic feeling that John Freestone is gritting his teeth now, feeling his feelings about this "synkro"! Grrrrrrrrr!

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

You imply that it's very unusual and worth mentioning if you decide to manifest dragons and see one on the cover of a book

Umm. I did that once, specifically red dragons. Along with book covers, I had several other dragon-art sightings in the same immediate time frame. Quote please?

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Quote please?

Quote please? I apologize, I'm not sure what the request is!

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Quote please? I apologize, I'm not sure what the request is!

Were you kidding, or did ALG actually once use this as an example? I don't think he knows I managed a rash of red-dragon 'manifestations' once (The book cover 'appeared' next to me when I was in a bookstore and looking for a family member, who has no interest in dragons/fantasy and just happened to be near an "Aragon - Eldest" display when we finally met up.)

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Were you kidding, or did ALG actually once use this as an example? I don't think he knows I managed a rash of red-dragon 'manifestations' once (The book cover 'appeared' next to me when I was in a bookstore and looking for a family member, who has no interest in dragons/fantasy and just happened to be near an "Aragon - Eldest" display when we finally met up.)

Oh -- he did, he did, you'd have to search for it. He was manifesting dragons and he sounded kind of excited. But now he's gotten all jaded and thinks that cows flying in windows is all ho-hum.