Advanced LOA proof and practice.

[Angela]

I never noticed my name was in bold anywhere, but I like it!

Originally Posted by John Freestone

It wasn't me you quoted there expressing an opinion about ALG, BTW, but luckyluciano.

What? Where? Do you mean the "too much verbiage..." remark? If so, yes, I was quoting Lucky, and addressing him there, too. Otherwise, I'm not following you.

[Acting Like Godot]

What you are arguing with is your own perception of what I am saying. For example:

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

Obviously we already know that there are many different concepts & beliefs theories. Just look at Religion.

So what do you belief GOD and why?

I don't know where you got the idea that I believe in God.

I don't believe in God (certainly, not in the conventional sense of the word). Among other things, my view of this concept:

"If you believe in Jesus and accept Him as your Saviour, you shall be saved and after you die, you will find everlasting life in Heaven (and by the way, Jesus is the only way to salvation)"

(which is quite a central Christian idea) is that it's wrong, (or at least extremely incomplete) and there are at least five points in that short little sentence above on which I have a contrary view or am ambivalent about.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

Do you really believe that the chair you are sitting on does not exist unless you are looking at it.

LOL, no. I could be wrong. But my current view is that I do believe that the chair I am sitting on does exist EVEN IF I am not looking at it.

This shows that you never really read my posts, but only wished to argue against your own perception of what you think I said.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm not the moderator of this particular (I/M) forum, and I'm glad, because I can't be bothered to read all the lengthy exchanges between you and ALG. From what I've seen, it's pretty much the same old stuff all the time. You two sort of remind me of a couple of old guys at the chess park in front of my apartment, who are still arguing about a girl they both courted 25 years ago, and she's dead now.

My position is very clear in my own mind.

I do not really care about "defeating" John in an argument, or for that matter, anyone else in these forums.

(I am a lawyer by profession. This means that I have no lack of people more intelligent & more interesting than John to argue with, if argument for the sake of argument was what I was looking for.)

I do care about the topic. I think that mind-&-reality explorations are a powerful tool for people to lead more meaningful, more fulfilled and more inspired lives.

I also recognise that many key ideas in the mind-&-reality explorations are counter-intuitive and difficult to grasp, especially for people who have not encountered them before.

However, before they can have a chance to test and explore those key ideas, they may be derailed by people like John. In my opinion, John's post are often false but often superficially plausible, the kind of points most likely to mislead people who have not yet had the chance to explore the topic in depth for themselves.

Therefore, in my opinion (and of course it is merely my opinion) John's posts have a tendency to lead people away from a powerful tool that could have helped them to lead more meaningful, more fulfilled and more inspired lives.

So I often put material in these threads, such that these people at least have a chance to consider the topic from other perspectives.

Quite as simple as that.

For those who do not like the length of my posts, well surely the answer is very simple. Don't read my posts then. There is so much material on these forums - I don't read everything either.

[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by Angela

I never noticed my name was in bold anywhere, but I like it!

It's in bold, with 'Moderator' underneath, top of every post. Compare the text to other usernames. It is actually a bit confusing. I didn't see anything on the page that says who is actually the mod on the forum. I guess I'd have to go into the listings.

What? Where? Do you mean the "too much verbiage..." remark? If so, yes, I was quoting Lucky, and addressing him there, too. Otherwise, I'm not following you.

My mistake again. You clearly said "Lucky..." at the head of the paragraph, and by the time I'd got to the quote I thought you were talking to me. "You talkin' to ME?!" I probably need to slow down a bit.

Still, on the other hand, I have to say I find your point can be a little patronising and idealist when you're on the receiving end of it, that if someone offends us it is an opportunity for our personal growth. I mean, I know that it is, I just mean that that's not the whole picture. Anyway, it's probably worth sympathising with someone's annoyance a little first, before telling them to make the best of it. Quite why you have a problem with someone being 'annoyed' rather than one of the other things you suggested, I have no idea. I feel that lucky was probably trying to restrain his anger a little for politeness sake. But maybe he was just 'annoyed' and that was the right word.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

.... in my opinion (and of course it is merely my opinion) John's posts have a tendency to lead people away from a powerful tool that could have helped them to lead more meaningful, more fulfilled and more inspired lives.

Quite as simple as that.

...And in John's opinion, your posts have a tendency to lead people away from rational thinking, a tool with which they could lead more (something something) lives.

Quite as simple as that, too.

So, each of you believes that the other is leading people away from something good. And both of you have a somewhat snarky sense of humor, and neither seem very keen on acknowledging the other's positive intent with any respect or love or gratitude (even though you're both loving, respectful, grateful people.) And you both write really long posts. You really are more alike than you are different. You're like brothers! That's why it's so easy to imagine you yammering at each other over a virtual chessboard 25 years from now.

I think you're both great, even if I don't read all of your long evidentiary posts. You probably don't read mine, either.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by John Freestone

It's in bold, with 'Moderator' underneath, top of every post. Compare the text to other usernames. It is actually a bit confusing. I didn't see anything on the page that says who is actually the mod on the forum. I guess I'd have to go into the listings.

Yes, I'll bet not everyone here even realizes that different forums have different moderators "in charge" of them, even though we all keep an eye out everywhere. Thanks for pointing that out.

Still, on the other hand, I have to say I find your point can be a little patronising and idealist when you're on the receiving end of it, that if someone offends us it is an opportunity for our personal growth.

Really? Does it annoy you? Congratulations to you, too! Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm sorry if you're offended by my belief that if someone offends us it is an opportunity for personal growth. And I'm not sorry I believe it, or that I express it.

I mean, I know that it is, I just mean that that's not the whole picture. Anyway, it's probably worth sympathising with someone's annoyance a little first, before telling them to make the best of it.

I understand that you believe that it's probably worth sympathising with someone's annoyance a little before I congratulate them on an as-yet-unseen opportunity. Thank you for the advice. It's true that people DO get annoyed when I look at the half-fullness of their glass, before I commiserate with them about its half-emptiness. (which is great for them, of course! )

And look at the annoyance: "too much verbage and sometimes an air of self righteous superiority." Is that an offensive thing, to use too many words and project an air of self-righteous superiority? Does it diminish Lucky in some way if ALG is those things? It's not hard to see that it doesn't, of course. I'm not going to waste any time pretending that it does diminish him in any way, or support him in believing that he is diminished by what he perceives ALG IS. But I will acknowledge the great potential source of gold.

Quite why you have a problem with someone being 'annoyed' rather than one of the other things you suggested, I have no idea. I feel that lucky was probably trying to restrain his anger a little for politeness sake. But maybe he was just 'annoyed' and that was the right word.

No, you misunderstand... I was saying that annoyance is one of my favorite signposts for personal growth, not that I have a problem with it! Were you reading fast again? If I were given the choice between feeling annoyance vs. anger (or resentment or passive-aggression) as a pathway to learn my lesson, I would choose annoyance because it is easier to feel ... it is less bad-feeling to me than those others. It's getting off cheaply, you see what I mean?

For just that reason, I think sometimes we let annoyance be and just live with it, without looking into the benefit it has for us, and when we do that, then the more painful feelings often come in as a follow-up. "Helloooo!?! Are you gonna look at this, or do we have to get medieval on your ass?"

[Angela]

ooooooh that was a long one.

[luckyluciano]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's awesome! Congratulations on looking in the mirror, getting your button pushed, and being presented with an opportunity to have a huge leap in self-understanding! You ARE lucky!

Lots of love,
Angela

Are you a guy named Angela who just got at GIF ballerina pregnant! (LOL in jest) Maybe I should not joke....your name may be that of a loved one?

("Annoying"......irritating, troublesome.) Don't worry....I was not getting angry. If I likened your intelligence to a 4 year old's etc etc, I presume you too would gett irritated.

[yao1994]

I just thought I should add in something here.

Most of you Freestoners think that we are "suckazz" that got caught in the big ass Oprah The Secret craze scam. While that is mostly true because I believe that 90% of those housewives that got it from Oprah have already given up (you no why).

My first glance at the LOA was from the Secret to. But I actually saw it FREE (yes they do show it for free) on TV. Yes that right they showed it for free on TV. But they only did that for Australia so that's probably why you guys think The Secret was a scam that you had to buy a DVD and a book to know.

Now before and I'm gonna be f*cking honest here, I was depressed as SH!T and I mean like "**** man!? wtf you crying like a *****". It was like some ******* that was invisible wanted to kick me in the ass every minute. I didn't even do anything wrong.

Now, I'm I AM WAY BETTER. That invisible ******* is now my friend because I realize that guy was me. I was attracting all that **** and the shitter i got the shitter I would get. Now its the opposite.

Getting back to the topic now.

You guys think we are the "suckers". But really you guys are. Right now I know you Freestones are thinking "but we don't listen to voodoo sh!t". Really? I'll bet you that you got your "work until you die", "no loss no gain", "blood, sweat and tears", "work work work" and other "real" mentalities from this:

Media

You might be think that big bull. But think about it. Where did you get your mentality of action and brute force from. Hmmm, Rambo, Forrest Gump, Die Hard, and about 99.99% of everything that is media.

I know the feeling of thinking about how you are going to work so hard that you'll have to be the best. I used to be like that to. But look around you, there are so many people that work hard and in the end they get a job. WOW! Doesn't it feel awesome that you've worked your ass of for a $50,000 a year job (or $35,000 in the US). I knew Rambo was right!

You guys might be thinking that I'm just a slacker. We'll I used to be at the top of the class on China. And the Chinese educational system is literally 4 years ahead than any western one. When I came to Australia, I didn't learn a thing in maths for 4 years. Yes that's right, what I learned in year 1 was harder than what I "learned" in year 5. But the bottom line is that I wasn't happy when I was in school at China. Forget Hitler, my first year maths teacher could rape him (no like she could really!).

My parents were also at the top of their high schools (AKA Universities in Western countries) and Universities in China. My dad has a MBA too. But do you know whats funny. My parents both tell me that school is bullshit (they didn't say bullshit but you get the idea). Worthless. In fact my mum wants me to drop out half way at College because most successful never really went to Uni or dropped out so I won't get my mind f*cked and become a jobber.

So my point is we're not the suckers. You guys are. And you know that you get high when you play out a Rambo scenario in your dreams.

This is not an argument because I'm trying to stay positive so I'll won't post anymore.

Guys just stay positive.

[luckyluciano]

Originally Posted by Angela

ooooooh that was a long one.

I suggest we get back in the stream of this thread and truly make it an advanced LOA thread by offering proof and practices. I for one have been considering starting a thread called "L.O.A.......the processes" since I was listening to Abe today....."the processes". Then I realized this already was the thread.... exept somehow it has become a thread on Quantum Physics and quoting the beliefs of physicists or the disproving of the L.O.A.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

("Annoying"......irritating, troublesome.) Don't worry....I was not getting angry. If I likened your intelligence to a 4 year old's etc etc, I presume you too would gett irritated.

I didn't think you were getting angry, but John did. I believed you when you used the word "annoyed." To answer your question, your presumption would not be correct. If you likened my intelligence to a 4 year old's, I think I would be curious. It's not hard for me to see parts of me that act like a 4-year old, that's for sure! So I can't find any irritation when all you're doing is telling me something you're noticing about me, that even I can see some truth in. Telling me "You're stupid or immature" is not one of my buttons, so saying that wouldn't irritate me.

Of course there are other things you probably could say that might push my buttons! And if you did, if I'm conscious, I'll notice a pathway to more and more expanded freedom, and I'll thank you for presenting it to me. And if I go all unconscious, I'll get reactivated and irritated or upset and offended, and miss the opportunity. No big deal; there are always more opportunities!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

I suggest we get back in the stream of this thread and truly make it an advanced LOA thread by offering proof and practices.

That's exactly what I've been doing.

[luckyluciano]

HEY Yao1994....I too am a high school drop out. (must be carefull or I may give someone here some ammo to look down on me) Can you stop swearing, the ladies here may find it offensive. I for one... find it annoying. (That is a joke)

I agree...going against the stream ("the stream, Esther Hicks) I watched this today on You Tube, is counter productive.

I was telling someone today how, one of my mentors in life seemed to use the L.O.A almost to perfection without reading any books....without attending any seminars....without belonging to any seminars. To me....he is the Law of Attraction. When I listen to Abe....it reminds me of him 100 percent and he can barely read or write proper english. When he enters a room his mere vibration/presence uplifts the room. He went from working in a grocery store to having a Net worth approaching $100M with zero debt, and thoroughly enjoying life and not doing "the Grind"

I too have used processes to manipulate the L.O.A. in my favor and have increased my income Five Times in the last 6 or 7 years while working the same hours as before.

One of my newest Practices (or Processes as Abe would call it) is to Image Myself as being a MASTER of the L.O.A. and the Law of Vibration. This I feel...is helping me to be more committed to my daily workshops.

A good book for some practices/processes for some who may not have read it is MIND POWER, by John Kehoe.

Lucky

[luckyluciano]

PRACTICES.....a technique, method, process, activity, that is more effective at delivering a particular outcome than any other technique, method, process etc. Best practices can also be defined as the most efficient and effective (least amount of effort) way of accomplishing a task, with repeatable procedures that have proven themselves over time for large numbers of people.

PROOF...evidence or argument that compels the mind that an assertion as true.

Lucky

[Angela]

Right! Exactly what I've been talking about.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

If I likened your intelligence to a 4 year old's etc etc, I presume you too would gett irritated.

And you are irritated because you miss the point.

The point is that you are objecting to certain theories in quantum physics, because they are very inconsistent with what you ordinarily perceive reality to be.

Similarly, a 4-year-old may well object to the idea of invisible radio waves or invisible bacteria, because they are very inconsistent with what he ordinarily perceives reality to be.

Yet presumably you do not object to the idea of radio waves or bacteria. You do not doubt radio waves or bacteria. Why?

Because you have learned from science about radio waves and bacteria. You accept this idea. You cannot see, hear or feel radio waves or bacteria. At some point you had considered the idea, and you came to accept them.

Why is then that when science talks about the CCC theory; the Bohm interpretation; or the Many Worlds theory, you run away and say, "Don't talk about it! I don't want to hear the theories! I won't consider! Do you REALLY believe that the chair isn't there?!"

How is your reasoning different from someone who says:

"Don't talk about radio waves! I don't want to hear about bacteria! I won't consider! Do you REALLY believe that there are invisible living things in the air right now?!"

[Angela]

Ahhh, I hadn't caught that, that when ALG made his analogy about his four year old, that you, Lucky, took it to mean that he was saying you have the intelligence of a four year old.

You were annoyed by a ghost!

[Acting Like Godot]

In fact I have been extraordinarily cordial and polite to Luciano.

Take into consideration the fact that he seems to be a newcomer to these forums and that I have never previously corresponded with him. Suddenly he appears, and in his very first post in this thread, he immediately accuses me of "a lot of delusional nonsense and verbal vomit".

Nevertheless I have been patient in my responses to him, although he repetitively asked essentially the same question of me approximately five times, and I have answered his question approximately five times. Something to do with the existence or non-existence of his chair.

[John Freestone]

yao1994, I wonder if you're going to lurk or come back and discuss, or if your requirement to stay positive overrides your curiosity about how much your view of reality matches with - er, actual reality. See, for a start, you must have me mixed up with someone else, and you had luckyluciano mixed up with someone else. You have my motives, my experience, my teaching from 'media', my following of the media, etc., all mixed up with someone else's. You demonstrate one of the problems of LoA, that you are more interested in projection than assessment of facts (though we are all guilty of that to some extent, and I demonstrated it myself with respect to Angela only yesterday).

My parents did push me to learn as much as I could, work hard at school, and encouraged me to go to university and contribute to society by making the most of my potential. I am intelligent, did very well at school, went to uni to study geology, and then, due to the various influences of Eastern mysticism, cannabis, the New Age philosophy and my own youthful laziness and ignorance of life, I dropped out to do the hippie rock muso thing. It almost completely destroyed me physically and mentally. About a decade later I got myself together enough, with the help of psychotherapy, to start a career (as a therapist myself; it's conveniently one of the things you can get into late in life, where experience is more important than a degree). I enjoyed that, largely because it still allowed me to be fairly lazy, for the next ten years. I have now not worked at all for about 2 years, for complicated reasons.

One of those reasons is that I have woken up from my dreams of mystical enlightenment. I am fascinated by science, as I always was, and my more youthful desires to teach the world how to love and drink coke have receded. I wish I had a degree and am looking at my options for the future, one of which would be to 'go back' to when I was 20 and continue my education. It's not about slogging my ass off. It's not about making megabucks. It's not about status. It's not about doing what the media tells me is good for me. It's about contributing to society, learning amazing stuff, having fun doing experiments and discussing difficult concepts with like-minded individuals. I gained certain things form my detour of 25 years, but I also lost a great deal. My parents warned me that I would waste my life, and in many ways I have so far. How did I do that? Well, by taking notice of people like Richard Bach (Jonathan Livingston Seagull and Illusions), eastern gurus and new age gurus, telling me to 'go with the flow' and 'there's all the time in the world' and 'live in the spiritual realm' and 'work for eternity'...oh, and 'reality is what you imagine it to be'.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by John Freestone

yao1994, I wonder if you're going to lurk or come back and discuss, or if your requirement to stay positive overrides your curiosity about how much your view of reality matches with - er, actual reality. See, for a start, you must have me mixed up with someone else, and you had luckyluciano mixed up with someone else. You have my motives, my experience, my teaching from 'media', my following of the media, etc., all mixed up with someone else's. You demonstrate one of the problems of LoA, that you are more interested in projection than assessment of facts (though we are all guilty of that to some extent, and I demonstrated it myself with respect to Angela only yesterday).

My parents did push me to learn as much as I could, work hard at school, and encouraged me to go to university and contribute to society by making the most of my potential. I am intelligent, did very well at school, went to uni to study geology, and then, due to the various influences of Eastern mysticism, cannabis, the New Age philosophy and my own youthful laziness and ignorance of life, I dropped out to do the hippie rock muso thing. It almost completely destroyed me physically and mentally. About a decade later I got myself together enough, with the help of psychotherapy, to start a career (as a therapist myself; it's conveniently one of the things you can get into late in life, where experience is more important than a degree). I enjoyed that, largely because it still allowed me to be fairly lazy, for the next ten years. I have now not worked at all for about 2 years, for complicated reasons.

One of those reasons is that I have woken up from my dreams of mystical enlightenment. I am fascinated by science, as I always was, and my more youthful desires to teach the world how to love and drink coke have receded. I wish I had a degree and am looking at my options for the future, one of which would be to 'go back' to when I was 20 and continue my education. It's not about slogging my ass off. It's not about making megabucks. It's not about status. It's not about doing what the media tells me is good for me. It's about contributing to society, learning amazing stuff, having fun doing experiments and discussing difficult concepts with like-minded individuals. I gained certain things form my detour of 25 years, but I also lost a great deal. My parents warned me that I would waste my life, and in many ways I have so far. How did I do that? Well, by taking notice of people like Richard Bach (Jonathan Livingston Seagull and Illusions), eastern gurus and new age gurus, telling me to 'go with the flow' and 'there's all the time in the world' and 'live in the spiritual realm' and 'work for eternity'...oh, and 'reality is what you imagine it to be'.

you have to realize, that everything you state about yourself and your life is a judgment and perception. This is your belief about your identity & experiences and so it is your reality.

[Acting Like Godot]

Gasp, Angela, you're right! John is somewhat like me. Look at the things he hopes to do ....

Originally Posted by John Freestone

It's about contributing to society, learning amazing stuff, having fun doing experiments and discussing difficult concepts with like-minded individuals.

.... and these are the same things I do all the time!

[Acting Like Godot]

Of course, there are some important differences too.

For example, unlike John, I've never used illicit drugs. I never was a hippie. I've never destroyed myself physically or mentally. I've never dropped out of school halfway. I've never needed psychotherapy. I've never suffered from youthful laziness. Most definitely, my parents have never said that I've wasted my life.

Oh, I feel much better now. John and I are very different, after all. Phew.

Also, like the majority of human beings on this planet, I actually live in the east, not the west. Therefore while eastern mysticism may seem very mystical to John, it is quite ordinary and not very mystical to me.

I find quantum physics and Wiccan witchcraft much more mystifying, actually. All those insane white witches and quantum physicists from the West, I love them all! And we mustn't forget dear, unique Americans like Esther Hicks (who brought us Abraham) and Jane Roberts (who brought us Seth).

[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by torilink

you have to realize, that everything you state about yourself and your life is a judgment and perception. This is your belief about your identity & experiences and so it is your reality.

1. Well, of course, as we have been discussing earlier, the philosophy you have just expressed is just a judgement and perception of yours about life in general. How will you ever know if it is the correct one?

2. I do not "have to realize" it. I "realised it" when I was 20, as the above explains, and then I realised that it was an unreasonable and unreal set of beliefs.

3. Your reply suggests that I could have posted any number of very different potted histories of my life, all of which are equally valid, all just perceptions. I wonder how far you would take that. Does it mean that it is pointless saying anything at all about who you are? Does it mean that I could just start again: "I am 23, and have received a Nobel prize for physics and one for peace. I have enjoyed my work with NASA and particularly my missions to explore the solar system, following my invention of warp drive technology. At the weekends I fly my own human-powered helicopter, which I designed and built myself after the breakthrough in aeronautical engineering that bears my name...."?

Would you consider the following an equally relative view: "I am living in a tattered tent in the desert, with a couple of thousand others of my tribe, all of us slowly dying of starvation, as the relief is confiscated by the soldiers most of the time. I am very grateful to the nice Westerner who interviewed me, or my story would not even have a chance of being heard. Despite the high levels of disease, it is essential that I circumcise my daughter tomorrow, as it is our custom. If she is not circumcised, she is unlikely to have a husband, in the unlikely event that she survives the drought and the war..."?

Is there nothing of your own life that you are proud enough of to consider a fact, rather than just an arbitrary judgement? Is there anything you just accept as an unfortunate fact, or do you still feel you have failed to master the LoA enough yet to unmanifest anything you don't like?

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by yao1994

So my point is we're not the suckers. You guys are.

Guys just stay positive.

I think you should have put the last line in the top of your message, and then perhaps you wouldn't have sounded so negative!

There's nothing wrong with deciding to go to college and working at a job (or being a jobber, as you put it). Indeed, ALG works at a job. Is something wrong with him for that? I would say no. I work at a job I enjoy. Have I fallen into the trap? If so, I like it!

Some people are influenced by the media to "work hard" and be like Rambo (as you put it), and others are influenced by the media to be like Oprah and embrace The Secret. The key, I think, is to make conscious decisions. If you consciously want to be at a job, then great. If you consciously want to be like Oprah, then great.

Your parents say that school is bullshit. And I'm sure they believe it was, for them. However, to say that school is bullshit for EVERYONE would be highly incorrect, as I'm sure I could find many other people who have achieved more success than you or your parents that would say school was extremely important to them.

[luckyluciano]

The OP titled this thread....ADVANCED L.O.A. practices and proof.

Unless I misunderstand the title....everyone is totally off topic including myself!

I interpret the proof to mean, proof in regards to the effectiveness of the practices NOT proof of weather the L.O.A. exists/works etc.

If I am in the wrong thread please let me know because I will search for the appropriate one or start one myself.

Lucky

OOPS, My bad! It's called proof and practice! So maybe this thread is on topic. But I do see very little discussion on the PRACTICE part of the title.

Can someone please chime in and let me know if we are to discuss actual effective PRACTICES and the PROOF of their effectriveness because I do believe in the L.OA. and want to master this in my life AMAP because life is very short.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

Unless I misunderstand the title....everyone is totally off topic including myself!

Well, that certainly appears to be your perspective!

What you might not be seeing is that we are, in fact, talking about advanced practices in the law of attraction.

For instance, boldly looking at who you're being that the world occurs for you the way it does, and making choices about your way of being that guide you towards what you want (that's what I was talking about earlier with the button-pushing). Great practice in LoA!

Also: ALG talking about inconsistency with ordinary reality. ALG can be supple about shifting his perspective, so he's not necessarily trapped by "consistency" -- he's not married to one point of view, so he's able to effectively use perspective to shift the way he feels, and to therefore manifest what he desires.

-- Also John, with his "my parents warned me that I would waste my life, and in many ways I have so far." Believing that thought actually builds the reality of his life -- his experience really is that in many ways he has wasted his life. John isn't deliberately *using* the LoA the way ALG is; nevertheless he is creating reality in a way that looks to him like The Truth.

See what I mean? It's all on topic. But by all means, start a new thread if you want to keep more strict tabs on the topic. Just state in your OP your "rules" and the moderators will help you if possible. (It sounds like a great way to generate being annoyed, but that might be just what you *need*! )

[marinik]

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

The OP titled this thread....ADVANCED L.O.A. practices and proof.

Unless I misunderstand the title....everyone is totally off topic including myself!

I interpret the proof to mean, proof in regards to the effectiveness of the practices NOT proof of weather the L.O.A. exists/works etc.

If I am in the wrong thread please let me know because I will search for the appropriate one or start one myself.

Lucky

OOPS, My bad! It's called proof and practice! So maybe this thread is on topic. But I do see very little discussion on the PRACTICE part of the title.

Can someone please chime in and let me know if we are to discuss actual effective PRACTICES and the PROOF of their effectriveness because I do believe in the L.OA. and want to master this in my life AMAP because life is very short.

We are who we are because we choose to be exactly this, we consciously choose our state of being and our reality. If you have read the previous threads maybe you would have seen that we are from all walks of life.. ALG and I are bankers, very, very successful people high in the "ranks" of any value system of western society. So if you want to tell us that all we are saying is bs for you, we are fine with it, because this is what you vibrate into your reality. We don't. We have learned that we can change our reality on purpose. And this is what we do in layman's terms. We decide we want something different and we go out/in and get it! Usually we don't even have through the "no pin no gain" phase. Sometimes we come across as a little cynical because we have had this discussion with previous newcomers or John's of the world so many times. Not only on this forum! So sorry for he cat and the bomb and the chair. We love to stop and smell the flowers. And if you read ALG's answers the observer is the interesting part! He asks the rhetorical question on who is observing everything all the time!

[Wax Frog]

My heart is with the "ALG Camp" but thus far my life experience has been mostly of the "John Camp" variety. Can you blame me for wondering if I've manifested this thread?

[marinik]

Oh Wax I've missed you so much! Where have you been! Not manifesting us?! We have all been in limbo!!! Nobody to observe us into their reality and all of our particles just all over the place!