If the Us Economy collapses and we all lose money, did we attract that to ourselves?

[daj]

If the Us Economy collapses and we all lose money,
did we attract that to ourselves collectively through the law of attraction?
and if other countries collapse due to the US collapsing,
did they attract that to themselves too? and the poverty it will bring?

[Acting Like Godot]

You are assuming that the general collapse of the US economy brings the same kind of adverse consequences to everyone in the world.

This isn't true. It isn't even true within the United States.

For example, bankruptcy lawyers will make a lot of money handling the collapse of Lehman Brothers. So will the accounting firms.

Clients who had entered into hedging transactions with Lehman will now look for replacement hedges with other banks. This represents new business opportunities for other banks.

Clients who had bought insurance policies from AIG may now look to buy policies from other insurance companies. This represents new business opportunities for other insurance companies. Some positive-thinking insurance salesmen somewhere will attract huge opportunities for himself.

Due to the Fed bailout, it's likely that the USD dollar will suffer. This means that Americans will find it more difficult to purchase imported goods. This however means new business opportunities for American manufacturing companies which sell goods primarily to Americans.

As the USD suffers, American goods and services become cheaper and cheaper for foreigners to purchase. Thus there is a silver lining for US companies whose expenditure is mainly in the US and whose revenue is mainly from foreign customers.

As the American stock market sinks, it moves closer and closer to some point when US stocks become a great buy for investors (foreign or local) who have cash. Thus they get to make money.

As the USD suffers, many very wealthy Americans will seek to park their cash in other currencies or in investments denominated in foreign currencies. This represents new business opportunities for institutions which facilitate such transactions.

Someone somewhere is now writing a bestselling book analysing the collapse of the US economy. He'll make money.

So you see, many kinds of realities exist .........

[Vasilisa]

Acting Like Godot, write more, please. Your posts are always very informative.

[jeff3]

I have wondered if the devalued dollar which is basically a result of printing non-backed currency could be related to the constant desire for cash that most of the population emits. If you think about it, it makes sense, at least to me, that if what people constantly try to manifest is "cash" and not "value" or the goods the cash will buy, the universes easiest response is "make more cash available". So, everyone gets more money, but it is worth less and less, which would be the result of intending from a mindset of lack, they get their wish and fulfill the law of attraction by attracting more dollars and the feeling of lack and desperation. In a sense, they get to have their cake....but not get to eat it.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by jeff3

I have wondered if the devalued dollar which is basically a result of printing non-backed currency could be related to the constant desire for cash that most of the population emits. If you think about it, it makes sense, at least to me, that if what people constantly try to manifest is "cash" and not "value" or the goods the cash will buy, the universes easiest response is "make more cash available". So, everyone gets more money, but it is worth less and less, which would be the result of intending from a mindset of lack, they get their wish and fulfill the law of attraction by attracting more dollars and the feeling of lack and desperation. In a sense, they get to have their cake....but not get to eat it.

Great point.

[Acting Like Godot]

I love to quote myself ....

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Clients who had entered into hedging transactions with Lehman will now look for replacement hedges with other banks. This represents new business opportunities for other banks.

Now, here is a Bloomberg report illustrating what I mean:

Bloomberg.com: Exclusive

Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- It was past 10 p.m. last Wednesday and Talbot Stark was ready for bed, when yet another potential client for BNP Paribas SA's prime brokerage called him at home. In a 20-minute span the next morning, he received three e-mails from customers looking to sign up.

France's biggest bank is taking as little as 24 hours to sign agreements that required as much as three months to negotiate before the meltdown on Wall Street, said Stark, BNP Paribas's global head of hedge fund relationships.

``These are once in a lifetime opportunities and you've got to act on them,'' said the 43-year-old who's based in London.

BNP Paribas, Barclays Plc and Deutsche Bank AG are likely to win clients after the collapse of the Wall Street model, which culminated Sept. 21 when Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley abandoned their status as standalone investment banks to become regulated lenders.

The three European banks stand to gain in any business that requires capital, such as derivatives or prime brokerage services, said Bruno Paulson, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein in London. Unlike Wall Street firms, they have depositors who provide a steady stream of cash to balance their investment-banking units and reduce borrowing expenses, he said.

The lower cost of funding combined with fewer investments in U.S. subprime-related securities gives some European banks an advantage that may last 18 to 24 months, he said .........

[Blueskied]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

You are assuming that the general collapse of the US economy brings the same kind of adverse consequences to everyone in the world.

Well, my mutual funds lost a lot of value, and i am in Europe.
Did i "attract" it? I guess yes - i was greedy and gambling and should have put the money in less risky investments.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by jeff3

I have wondered if the devalued dollar which is basically a result of printing non-backed currency could be related to the constant desire for cash that most of the population emits.

Your comment reminds me of a chapter in a book on magick that I've read. (Magick is based on people's thoughts - therefore no different from LOA). The writer says that one can learn a lot about magick by studying big social systems - eg countries; economies; politics; governments; NGOs - because these systems are ultimately the result of the thoughts supplied by the large number of human individuals involved in them.

[fenris]

Originally Posted by jeff3

I have wondered if the devalued dollar which is basically a result of printing non-backed currency could be related to the constant desire for cash that most of the population emits.

That's my main concern with Steve's Million Dollar Experiment. From my personal experience the LOA, or magick, or whatever you call it tends to backfire in worst possible way that still technically fullfills your goal. So it's possible that each of us will get our $1M when the entire currency will be nearly worthless, in fact the experiment might 'attract' US economic collapse as the easiest way to give everyone what they asked for.

Also, it's my first post, so hello everyone.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by daj

If the Us Economy collapses and we all lose money,
did we attract that to ourselves collectively through the law of attraction?
and if other countries collapse due to the US collapsing,
did they attract that to themselves too? and the poverty it will bring?

Since we always see & experience what we believe - I will experience exactly what I believe to be true about this situation. This means some will attract more lack, others will attract abundance. You've already stated what you believe to be true in regard to this situation ("lose money", "countries collapse", "the poverty it will bring").

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Your comment reminds me of a chapter in a book on magick that I've read. (Magick is based on people's thoughts - therefore no different from LOA). The writer says that one can learn a lot about magick by studying big social systems - eg countries; economies; politics; governments; NGOs - because these systems are ultimately the result of the thoughts supplied by the large number of human individuals involved in them.

I've always been a people watcher and love examining the interactions of people in groups and looking for the part they play in the macrocosm.

It's my belief that these large groups form a collective mind when they unite that has much more agency than any one person could ever have alone. That's a whole other subject that I've spent a lot of time studying and never really organized my thoughts on it....Maybe someday


Either the LOA works or it doesn't, if it works, then everything is exactly as it should be, even if it's not how we think it should be or want it to be, everything is perfect. If it doesn't work.....well we do have a lot to worry about. If it does work, when we look at the poor or hungry we need to see someone who needs knowledge, not a handout. If it does work, we can't complain about corporate greed being the reason we are broke, they have the money because we give it to them, because they want it and are planning, scheming, doing flow charts, hiring advisor's, getting access to our minds with advertising, and in many cases using the very basic human needs to "hook" us.......they are using the LOA. I do believe that motive comes into play with the LOA and the recent corporate downfalls are the result of the misuse of the law.

I still firmly believe giving is closely connected to receiving and the statement "It is more blessed to give than receive", while paradoxical, is the key that will unlock many peoples success that are struggling with the LOA.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by fenris

That's my main concern with Steve's Million Dollar Experiment. From my personal experience the LOA, or magick, or whatever you call it tends to backfire in worst possible way that still technically fullfills your goal. So it's possible that each of us will get our $1M when the entire currency will be nearly worthless, in fact the experiment might 'attract' US economic collapse as the easiest way to give everyone what they asked for.

Also, it's my first post, so hello everyone.

It does appear that many times people get the "Devil's Deal" when applying these methods , but, I don't think it's the method that is at fault, it's the misapplication of the method. Usually they are literally trying to get something for nothing with no intent of "passing it on".

Imagine what would happen if suddenly half the cells in your body decided they just wanted to "take" and not give anything back or perform their function, my guess is that your body would deal with them by replacing them.
IF, we are all connected, there must be a mutual exchange or the whole will suffer, which is exactly what is going on on now. Eventually the system will revolt and redistribute the resources to people who will use them for the whole, it is inevitable. I'm not talking socialism here because we are NOT all equal in an evolutionary sense, I believe we are meant to raise the consciousness of those that are behind us. It's like a stair-case with no top, someone is always ahead, and someone is always behind. If we ever 'get it together' it will be even more amazing than it is.

My experience is, "You don't have to be GOOD" , "Just be GOOD for something", contribute in some way and you will be rewarded, contribute in a big way and be rewarded in a big way

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by torilink

Since we always see & experience what we believe - I will experience exactly what I believe to be true about this situation. This means some will attract more lack, others will attract abundance. You've already stated what you believe to be true in regard to this situation ("lose money", "countries collapse", "the poverty it will bring").

This makes sense torilink... and it's easy to see the belief in this situation. Now, how does one go about changing the belief once it's identified...? I'd love to hear your thoughts...?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

This makes sense torilink... and it's easy to see the belief in this situation. Now, how does one go about changing the belief once it's identified...? I'd love to hear your thoughts...?

1. Like most Americans I once believed that paper money was a representation of actual physical wealth of some sort. For instance the gold in Fort Knox was there for safe keeping and the paper money we use was a representation of all that vast gold or silver or whatever held by the government. What I learned was the truth however is that isn't the case. The money we use isn't backed by gold or silver or any other actual physical thing - it isn't a representation of anything - its just paper and any and all value it has is what we assign to it. So I formed a new belief that although paper money has value in my life it isn't "Valuable" nor could it be - it is really only printed paper. This is also the case with coinage - as none are still made with silver, gold, nor anything of high value.

2. When economic situations occur - I refer to #1 (above) and remind myself that even if it all comes crashing down - so what, we were all exchanging, valuing, and saving paper or worse "Digital Money" which is only the idea of money anyhow. Money isn't real. Money = Debt anyhow, because banks create money when WE (the people) incur debt. Most is paperless now and just on someones books somewhere as a plus or minus to their worth.

3. I remember what is truly valuable and a piece of paper - regardless of the value placed by others is still only paper - and in truth isn't even REAL in the sense a piece of gold, silver, a diamond, a dozen eggs, a gallon of milk, or other physical stuff is "real" in the outer world.

4. I remind myself that all that is outside me isn't "Real" in the greater sense either - its all just a reflection of thought.


these are some of the things I believe in regard to the economy - money and so on. There are more powerful beliefs though and they are the deeply embedded ones that go something like this:

1. What I truly am cannot be hurt by this.
2. The outer world is an illusion and although my ego wants to feel fear about this situation - I know there is nothing to fear.
3. Everything is perfect exactly as it is.


I guess the main thing to remember is that what we resist persists - the more anxious & worried inside - the more panic and crises on the outside. Just let it be how it is, intend for better things - hold better thoughts in your mind - think positively - and don't resist and fight for things to be different than they are in the moment.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

This makes sense torilink... and it's easy to see the belief in this situation. Now, how does one go about changing the belief once it's identified...? I'd love to hear your thoughts...?

Simply begin to focus on the positive side of this and you will continually bring more examples into your awareness until a critical mass is reached and you say, "Hmm, I was wrong, this is going to turn out great". What you focus on will expand in your reality until it is your reality, the belief will not have to be changed, it will evolve with your experience. This alway hung me up - trying to convince myself of something contrary to what I was experiencing, then I realized the "experience" was mental anyway.

One easy way to do this is take anything you are experiencing that you currently find unpleasant and ask yourself, "Under what circumstances would this become acceptable ?" I have always been able to find something that would make my current situation the best choice. For instance, you could see where many countries don't even give you the opportunity lose anything because you never have anything.


All these current events simply express physically the fear and dissatisfaction that have been impressed on the nations collective conscious for some time. What are we getting- individuals are losing their wealth, power and voice to the corporate world; what have we been thinking- they, them, somebody else, the govt, the big businesses...ect... are getting all the money and my life is beyond my control.........

You do not have to play along with this game, you can rise above the effects of all this and live as well as you choose during this difficult time. If you want something different than what everyone else is experiencing you must think something different than what they are thinking, don't buy into the fear, don't panic, just use what you have learned and stay away from the negative hype being thrown around.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by jeff3

Simply begin to focus on the positive side of this and you will continually bring more examples into your awareness until a critical mass is reached and you say, "Hmm, I was wrong, this is going to turn out great". What you focus on will expand in your reality until it is your reality, the belief will not have to be changed, it will evolve with your experience. This alway hung me up - trying to convince myself of something contrary to what I was experiencing, then I realized the "experience" was mental anyway.

One easy way to do this is take anything you are experiencing that you currently find unpleasant and ask yourself, "Under what circumstances would this become acceptable ?" I have always been able to find something that would make my current situation the best choice. For instance, you could see where many countries don't even give you the opportunity lose anything because you never have anything.


All these current events simply express physically the fear and dissatisfaction that have been impressed on the nations collective conscious for some time. What are we getting- individuals are losing their wealth, power and voice to the corporate world; what have we been thinking- they, them, somebody else, the govt, the big businesses...ect... are getting all the money and my life is beyond my control.........

You do not have to play along with this game, you can rise above the effects of all this and live as well as you choose during this difficult time. If you want something different than what everyone else is experiencing you must think something different than what they are thinking, don't buy into the fear, don't panic, just use what you have learned and stay away from the negative hype being thrown around.

yes, very well stated, i agree.

[Lil Chris]

Thanks torilink and jeff3, your wisdom is always appreciated...

[JenniferElliott]

Originally Posted by jeff3

...if what people constantly try to manifest is "cash" and not "value" or the goods the cash will buy, the universes easiest response is "make more cash available"...

This is more, so much more than a great point. It's a genius, brilliant point!

Ask any successful businessman, successful author, successful Internet entrepreneur, etc. It's not about the "money" - it's about the value you give others. When you take your attention off money and put it on value, the money flows.

When your definition of success is not about the dollars, rather something far greater than dollars, then dollars become irrelevant. And almost as if by magic, the money is always there.

PS your post also reminds me of the wise words "be careful what you wish for!" ;-)

[cylon]

Bumpity. Surprised no one has discussed this yet. Am I the only one drawing panic into my awareness? Do I stop watching the news?

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by cylon

Bumpity. Surprised no one has discussed this yet. Am I the only one drawing panic into my awareness? Do I stop watching the news?

What are you scared of?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

What are you scared of?

All the sci-fi movies I grew up watching that had that dystopian world, probably that. That's all I'm hearing, "depression" "end times."

I have the fear of the anti-christ from growing up religious, and fear of a great depression from listening to the media try to make a story.

I probably never should have started watching this election coverage, but I can't help it. I really enjoy politics. And now I'm watching this stuff.

Not sure if I answered your question.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by cylon

Not sure if I answered your question.

...


Ask Steve - Rapid-Fire Questions

Why is there so much suffering in the world?

There is suffering in your world because you unconsciously create it. Ironically, your own free will gives you that option. You have so much free will that you’re free to torture yourself if you want. To create suffering you need only fear. To eliminate suffering and experience joy instead, think love. In the absence of conscious awareness, fear is the default. Love can only be chosen consciously.

What do you find most depressing?

I don’t find depression because I don’t look for it. If a nuclear bomb went off, I’d enjoy my new tan while coaching the survivors to stop saying nucular.

Not sure if I answered yours..

[cylon]

Lol. Just when I thought I had worrying licked...

Well for sure it is inconsistent with my desire for prosperity. Somehow my life was more fun and mellow when I was watching ZERO news. Then the election started picking up and I couldn't stay away, I love the chess of politics. THEN things started getting nasty and I realized why I don't watch politics anymore, then things start getting more heated, and now we've got this...

Maybe this is a lesson to me that I need to trust myself more.

What's funny is while I type this, Depeche Mode says to me "that's all there is, nothing more than you can feel". I should trust me more.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by cylon

All the sci-fi movies I grew up watching that had that dystopian world, probably that. That's all I'm hearing, "depression" "end times."

I have the fear of the anti-christ from growing up religious, and fear of a great depression from listening to the media try to make a story.

I probably never should have started watching this election coverage, but I can't help it. I really enjoy politics. And now I'm watching this stuff.

Not sure if I answered your question.

Fear is a tool used for control by political factions, religions, well meaning friends, not so well meaning friends, and of course, outright enemies. If you take it in, it will make you sick. Just turn it down like you would something you don't like to eat and say, "No thanks, I'll have the optimism sprinkled with a little hope and garnished with serenity instead."

[cylon]

Good point.... life was much sweeter without the negativity of news.

(And it's all negative, if it weren't this, it would be something else that is the end of the world)

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by cylon

Good point.... life was much sweeter without the negativity of news.

(And it's all negative, if it weren't this, it would be something else that is the end of the world)

My Dad is seventy this year. He told me his entire life has been one perceived "crisis" after another.

He was 24 for the Cuban Missle crisis, for example.

There will be crises your whole life too, but how you want to handle them is entirely up to you.

[cylon]

I hear ya--iPod track says "It's not my Problem".

[Technicolor Tim]

Of course greed caused this mess. So that's how it was 'manifested.'* The US has been living above its means for a loooong time. People want something for nothing, and the sooner the better.That's the reason why movies like 'The Secret' are so popular, and the reason why Americans will be able to afford less in the years ahead.

Another emotion to blame here is of course apathy. If people weren't so incredibly apathetic about how their country was run, they would have been more involved in important matters like government spending, fuzzy thinking socialism, and their central bank turning real cash into monopoly money. And then we'd of course be talking about something else right now.

*(If you happen to believe that consciousness can influence reality - I do - then note that the feeling of 'greed' is a feeling of 'lack.' And apathy is a feeling of 'there's no use, there's not much I can do, and the world pretty much sucks anyway, but I don't care.')

[cylon]

I'm not apathetic. I vote. I know what my political beliefs are, they are strong. But at the same time I can't be jacked into the damn media all the time having my thoughts influenced.

[Technicolor Tim]

Originally Posted by cylon

I'm not apathetic. I vote. I know what my political beliefs are, they are strong. But at the same time I can't be jacked into the damn media all the time having my thoughts influenced.

Just so you know, I wasn't talking about you or referring to your post.