What is the success/failure ratio of I-M?

[Frans]

I asked myself this question after reading about the challenge Markus74 launched in another thread:

Originally Posted by Markus74

if you'd write in here on Monday that you'll buy the ticket on Friday that will make you win $10,000 and then this really happens on Friday then I would be really impressed and feeling weird. Of course I'd need to see both a scan of your lottery ticket on Monday and the winning ticket on Friday (with exact dates etc). Then I'd say that it was extraordinary. Though not yet totally impossible. But it would be a good starting point and if a lot of other, very improbable things like that would happen as well then I would have to change my point of view.

If I-M would work always and under all circumstances, then everybody on this forum would take this challenge and buy a lottery ticket, and Markus74 would have to change his point of view at the end of the week.

So, instead of asking whether I-M works, the question is:
What is your overall success/failure ratio with I-M?

[Steve Pavlina]

Asking, "What's your success ratio with IM?" is like asking, "What's your success ratio with parenting?" If you look for external validation from people who are just learning, you may conclude that parenting doesn't work.

Manifesting intentions is a skill, much like cooking or parenting or kung fu. The more you practice it, the better your results will be. The top placeholder in the MDE manifested over $500K from a lottery win, and he told me he's been practicing IM for years.

Being a "white belt" is an awkward phase. You're shown what to do, but no matter how clearly it's explained, your body often won't cooperate. IM is very similar, except you're dealing with a skill of consciousness.

[Frans]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Manifesting intentions is a skill, much like cooking or parenting or kung fu. The more you practice it, the better your results will be. The top placeholder in the MDE manifested over $500K from a lottery win, and he told me he's been practicing IM for years.

Suppose ten die-hard I-M "users" with many years of practice buy a lottery ticket in the same lottery, and they have all the intention to win the first prize.
Only one can win the first prize.

This means 9 out of 10 fail. No matter how many years they practice I-M, no matter how positive they are or how hard they believe in their intention.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Frans

Suppose ten die-hard I-M "users" with many years of practice buy a lottery ticket in the same lottery, and they have all the intention to win the first prize.
Only one can win the first prize.

This means 9 out of 10 fail. No matter how many years they practice I-M, no matter how positive they are or how hard they believe in their intention.

It wouldn't happen. The universe is so organized that it wouldn't happen than 10 die-hard IM users try to manifest the same thing from one lotter on the same day. Besides, any die hard IM user will just say "I now have $10,000,000 in my hands." and leave it up to the universe to give it to them the easiest way. Why would die hard IM users limit themselves so much by using the lottery as the way to give them money.

Also, the universe is not stupid. It knows when you're trying to manifest what you really want versus when you're just trying to manifest something for another reason. For example in your above example if the 10 IM practitioners were actually just trying to TEST IM and prove to themselves it works, they would be better off sending out the intention "I NOW HAVE PROOF THAT IM WORKS" instead of doing this whole lottery thing. If you want proof it works, ask for proof. If you want money, ask for money. The more direct you are, the better. For example, don't say "I want to win the lottery on Wednesday with these numbers, so I can have proof that this works, so I can teach it to my friend who has cancer so that she can manifest health for herself and I don't have to face the sorrow of seeing her die." That's like an indirect manifestation leading to an indirect manifestation etc. If you want health for your friend, manifest that. If you want proof that IM works, ask for that. If you want to be able to teach IM to people, ask for that etc.

[impaul99]

Oh, by the way. THere is only one way to answer the question in this thread depending on two points of view.


From non-believers: 0%, LoA is just co-incidence + reticular activating system.

From believers: 100% success rate. We successfully manifest 100% of everything even if we don't know we manifested it. It's like the law of gravity, it works everytime.

[Parthon]

Originally Posted by Frans

Suppose ten die-hard I-M "users" with many years of practice buy a lottery ticket in the same lottery, and they have all the intention to win the first prize.
Only one can win the first prize.

This means 9 out of 10 fail. No matter how many years they practice I-M, no matter how positive they are or how hard they believe in their intention.

Which is exactly how it would work in win and lose universe. But if you believe in a universe where everyone wins, that sort of logic breaks down, mainly because the first thought is "If only one person wins then how can everyone win?". Simple, there is no win or lose, things just happen.

As for IM and success and specific results, if you imagine it like playing darts. As you first start you are completely unsure on how to do it, so you throw a test throw and see what happens. Now intentions have many variables, how easy it is to manifest, how big/small it is and how general. Now if you imagine these applying to a dartboard, the more general the intention the bigger the board, the easier the intention, the closer the board, and the bigger the intention the smaller the bullseye. As you get better at IM then you are more able to hit the mark, as well as create intentions that make them easy to hit.

If you have a very specific intention, like winning a specific lottery, and you aren't tremendously skilled, then it's pretty much luck. You are throwing a great distance at a very small board, and will probably miss. You will miss the board so completely that there will be no outcome.

Now if you have a more general intention, then the board is a bit bigger, the target easier it is to hit, and the more chance it can come true. And even if you don't hit the bullseye, you will get a smaller return in the same general intention.

Make the general intention too general, and the board is huge. Almost any throw will hit, but the hit will be hard to see against the board. The generalness of the intention makes any specific result that can be tied to it hard to match. But every throw you do with the intention will manifest as something to do with the intention, ie: hit the board. You probably just won't notice.

Lastly, if you make the intention too big, you might still hit the board, but the bullseye is so small then you won't get the huge result you were after, but you will probably get another result in that same direction. Things like this are "World Peace.", which might manifest as two people around you making up after a long running argument. Small, but in the general area of the intention.

Intention Manifestation is a skill that has to be developed, and you do that through using it. The other half is knowing what you have the ability or not to manifest, what would be a challenge and always developing yourself in it. Developing it includes things like reducing fear and doubt, raising awareness and connecting with the world.

As for my success personally, it's about 40%. And they are just the intentions that manifest as a bulleye, getting the exact manifestation. The number of synchronicities from holding general intentions like Fairness, Joy and Peace, is uncountable. I experience them every day.

Oh, and the best intention so far - "I'm going to enjoy this summer. It will be hot and I will enjoy it." So far it's been REALLY hot, and I'm *really* enjoying it. (Sometimes I think I'm the only one not complaining about it)

[Frans]

Originally Posted by Parthon

As for my success personally, it's about 40%.

Thank you for giving a straight answer.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Frans

Thank you for giving a straight answer.

That he's aware of. It doesn't mean the other 60% of the time LoA didn't work. It works 100% of the time if properly used.

As an example, about 8 months ago I sat in a room with a few friends and we played a version of "The Prosperity Game" and we each spent a ficticious $1000 in cash one day, and then $2000 in cash the next day and then $4000 the next day.

We wrote down exactly what stuff we were spending our money on during that time, and I spent my "fake" money on stuff I normally wouldn't buy but since it's "fake" money I figured "Ah, what the hell...". Anyway, I totally forgot I even did that until yesterday. Yesterday I looked at my sheets and I have everything on the list of things I wrote down, and not only that but everything I wrote down was purchased with money that didn't come from my regular sources of income. It all came from "extra" money I received as gifts, etc.

Until yesterday, I wasn't even aware I manifested those things because I totally forgot about them as they weren't really urgent strong intentions I needed or anything, I was just spending "fake" money for fun as part of this game.

[Steve Pavlina]

Despite the overused "law of attraction" label, I think it's more accurate to think of IM as a skill, not a law. At a certain level it works like a law, but most people are interested in manifesting specific intentions, which is where it becomes a skill.

If it were a law that you manifested whatever you decided to manifest, it would work every time universally for everyone at 100% effect. But of course that isn't what we see. We see some total duds, near hits, and the occasional hole-in-one. I've also noted that those practicing IM longer tend to get stronger and more consistent results than others. And overall, newbies who are trying IM for the first time generally suck at it. This is the pattern you'd expect from a skill, not a law.

I think of IM as a skill of consciousness, similar to lucid dreaming. I began lucid dreaming almost 13 years ago and learned to do many things in a lucid dream, but there's also so much more I want to try. I've been deliberately practicing IM for much less time, but I absolutely love the results.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Frans

So, instead of asking whether I-M works, the question is:
What is your overall success/failure ratio with I-M?

100% that's the correct answer, lol. I thought the theroy is that what is manifesting around you is what you have been going through interntally. And I tend to think and feel this - the way manifestation comes about is from all my intentions mixed together - all the counter-intentions too. If I notice my environment and state of relationships - it's all a reflection of my intentions (and my intentions are all over the place) so my life looks like that too, by 100%.

As far as delibrate intentions go - I'm not doing that right now. I'm not trying to force the IM stuff to work a certain way for my ego to be satisfied with something.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Frans

Thank you for giving a straight answer.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Despite the overused "law of attraction" label, I think it's more accurate to think of IM as a skill, not a law. At a certain level it works like a law, but most people are interested in manifesting specific intentions, which is where it becomes a skill.

If it were a law that you manifested whatever you decided to manifest, it would work every time universally for everyone at 100% effect. But of course that isn't what we see. We see some total duds, near hits, and the occasional hole-in-one. I've also noted that those practicing IM longer tend to get stronger and more consistent results than others. And overall, newbies who are trying IM for the first time generally suck at it. This is the pattern you'd expect from a skill, not a law.

I think of IM as a skill of consciousness, similar to lucid dreaming. I began lucid dreaming almost 13 years ago and learned to do many things in a lucid dream, but there's also so much more I want to try. I've been deliberately practicing IM for much less time, but I absolutely love the results.

Well, I think that LoA is "The Law of Attraction", which means that you ATTRACT what you visualize and believe in into your life all the time and therefore, like the law of gravity it always works. Intention Manifestation is a skill, not a law, that uses LoA to manifest intentions. Meaning, I think the way to verbally express it is to say that we use the Law of Attraction to manifest our intentions.

If I intentionally attract "HEALTH" for 60 seconds straight, I activate the Law of Attraction to attract health to me. THat doesn't mean I manifest health, but the attraction energy has been generated and sent out. This might mean that a purchasing agent orders a book on a health topic I'm interested in at the local bookstore which I will be visiting soon, or that a friend might call me in two weeks asking if I want to start jogging with him or something like that. The energy goes out and LoA works, even though I might not be aware of what's happening "out there" and/or might not even see the effects or correlate them to my intention for "HEALTH" when the effects come.

I think LoA always works 100%, it's just that we might not necessarily be able to fully manifest everything with IM as that is a skill we need to work on.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by impaul99

If I intentionally attract "HEALTH" for 60 seconds straight, I activate the Law of Attraction to attract health to me. THat doesn't mean I manifest health, but the attraction energy has been generated and sent out. This might mean that a purchasing agent orders a book on a health topic I'm interested in at the local bookstore which I will be visiting soon, or that a friend might call me in two weeks asking if I want to start jogging with him or something like that. The energy goes out and LoA works, even though I might not be aware of what's happening "out there" and/or might not even see the effects or correlate them to my intention for "HEALTH" when the effects come.

You may be interested to google this name - Angela Bailey.

In her younger days, she was a world-class athlete. Won medals at the Commwealth Games, one medal at the Olympics etc.

Anyway she attributes her breakthrough into the "world-class" stage through the use of the Law of Attraction + hypnosis.

IM isn't merely about affecting external reality. It's also very much about affecting yourself. I believe, for example, that applying IM in the area of health & fitness can have a great impact on your motivation to go train and exercise and have fun while you're at it.

Markus will say, "Bah, humbug, of course you can just decide to go and keep fit, nothing magical about that". The point he will miss is that we all have our human weaknesses (such as laziness or the lack of discipline). And that this laziness or lack of discipline is as real, as much a part of reality, as any physical thing. It's in our heads, but it's real.

Since it's real, we can affect it with IM. Thus in the area of health & fitness, we can use IM to achieve a lot.

Anyway, on that issue, who would you trust more - Markus, or Angela Bailey?

[Acting Like Godot]

What is the overall success/failure rate with IM?

Let me ask you to try to imagine this. Imagine that you are the universe, and that at any given time, you are aware of the thoughts & beliefs of every human being on the planet. Your mission is to coordinate things and events and circumstances to make their thoughts come true as far as possible. You are quick, powerful, highly intelligent, but what you almost always refuse to do is to change people's thoughts directly - you simply let them think what they want, and then you send into their reality whatever they've been thinking. However, you find it amusing how most human beings don't think clearly, send out inconsistent thoughts, can't sustain concentration on what they want etc.

(I'm not saying that IM really works like this - but it's a helpful model to illustrate what I really want to say).

Now - when we discuss the success / failure rate of IM, consider firstly what you are trying to manifest, and how easy it would be for the universe to arrange it.

I would suggest to you that cabs, empty parking lots etc are quite easy for the universe to arrange. Suppose I intend to get a cab. Somewhere in the vicinity there surely is a taxi driver whose intention is to get a passenger. In this kind of situation, it would be relatively easy for the universe to coordinate.

In contrast, suppose 5,000 people have each bought a lottery ticket, each with a unique number. Each intends to win the first and only prize. Clearly this is going to be a tough one for the universe to coordinate.

Sometimes what is easy or not easy for the universe to coordinate will not be clear to us. For example, you wish to have a really nice, attractive partner and because you are fussy, you have a long list of specifications of what she would be like. Apparently it would be difficult to find someone like that. However, it may be quite easy for the universe to arrange, bearing in mind that the universe is so powerful. So indeed next week someone may move into the apartment next door and she fits almost all of your criteria. She appears there, also because of her own intentions - she had wanted to find an apartment in this area, and this apartment was suitable for her. So there - the universe coordinates.

IM meets its limitations when your intentions clash directly with someone else's intentions. For example, you strongly want your husband to go for a medical checkup and and he strongly insists that he is fine and does not need a medical checkup. In that case, the universe cannot directly bring about your intention, without directly crushing your husband's intentions.

Even in such a situation, the universe will endeavour to reconcile and create as far as possible, with the thoughts sent out to the universe by your husband and wife. For example, while your husband does not want to go for a checkup, he may not mind having an informal discussion with a doctor about his state of health. So for instance, your thoughts may fail to send your husband to the clinic, but they may cause a long-lost doctor friend of yours to bump into your husband. They sit down somewhere for a coffee, and end up having an informal discussion where your husband ends up telling the doctor about his recent symptoms and the doctor tells him about the possible implications.

[placebo]

Law of Attraction is not a machine or a ghost who will make your dreams come true. It is a mechanism that is being implemented by you and your actions.

Here is one example. Try to manifest drinking a glass of water. You have to take few steps to get that water. First it is the thought. No.2 is taking the glass. No 3 is putting water into. no. 4 is drinking. If you make only first step you have only 25% of manifestation of drinking. But if you are in desert and there's no water miles away, that is not 25%. You can't even tell is it 1% or maybe you will die there so it is 0%.

For small goals like turning on your PC you maybe can tell what is success ratio but for distant goals it is pure nonsense. You can guess what actions you should take but you can't be sure that they are everything you have to do.

It is all about pumping your brain to work for reaching some goal so when oportunity arise you can hope that you will take it.

[Acting Like Godot]

Then you have missed the point.

Certainly, the manifestation of your intentions will often involve you and your own actions. For YOU are the center of your own reality. If you refuse to take part, then effectively you are commanding a large part of your reality to NOT cooperate in making your intentions come true.

On the other hand, there are many other parts of reality which appear (to a non-LOA believer) to be beyond your control. Nevertheless the LOA practitioner knows that you CAN influence it.

I will give you a simple example which I have already previously mentioned in this forum.

I manifested the intention to speak at an industry conference. Actually I had no reputation as a speaker at such conferences. I had never done it before. I did not even know what conferences were being organised, or who I could approach or ask.

Within seven days of my manifestation, the opportunity came to me. I did nothing to get it - except send out the intention. I did not tell anyone, I did not send out any email, I did not do any research on who organises such international conferences, where the next conferences were going to be held, I did not call anyone on the telephone to ask for an opportunity.

But the opportunity came irresistibly to me, through a curious chain of events which I only learned about later. This chain of events started two days after I had manifested my intention - it all started with someone, who was already scheduled to speak at a conference, pulling out unexpectedly, and ended with the organisers being passed from one contact to another contact to another contact, before they were finally referred to me as a potential replacement speaker.

You'd have to pay $3,000 just to sit in the audience and listen to the speakers (including me).

Etc.

So my intention to speak at an international conference manifested into an actual invitation one week later, and I accepted, and the following week, I was the youngest speaker at a highly prestigious conference organised by a global organisation.

Actually, these kinds of incidents are quite common. They are really what you'd expect to see what happen, if you apply IM properly. Yes, your own actions ARE important. They're as important as all those other actions which you can't personally take, but which also need to occur, before your desired outcome can come about.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Then you have missed the point...

...So my intention to speak at an international conference manifested into an actual invitation one week later, and I accepted, and the following week, I was the youngest speaker at a highly prestigious conference organised by a global organisation.

Exactly. I think a lot of peopel still think that IM is positive thinking coupled with action and a properly activated reticular activating system, and it is not. IM enables you to make things happen that have absolutely NOTHING to do with you. It's almost like you stop time, send your soul out of your body into the cosmic consciousness where everything is ONE and you say to everything and everyone in this ONE consciousness "HEY! I need help! I want to speak at a conference! If anyone can help me out, get in touch with me, you know where to find me." and then ZWOOOP you get sucked back into the body and time continues forward, except that some part of the ONE consciousness somewhere now takes action to send you an invitation to help you out.

You, as your own body do nothing except send out the intention and then receive it when it comes back to you. Yes, someone somewhere had to take action to send you the invitation, and that's not "magic" but WHY he wanted to all of a sudden help you exactly when you asked for help is "magical".

[Akashic_Librarian]

Your success / failure ration is what you make it. You manifest that too.

[dorothy hanna]

This is interesting.
I already did something like this. I have it in place. I wrote myself a letter from the Universe and I sealed it, and mailed it to myself. It contains the universe sending me notice, it's pleasure in serving up to me, my intention of revceiving. It's for One-milion dollars.
The letter contains a check made out to me for that amount.
It's still sealed, and postmarked.

I'm planning a wonderful party and will invite everyone and then I'll open the letter to read to all.
I'm really looking forward to opening that letter, and seeing the joy on everyones face when they see LOA is true, and now they will know, it's completely open to them. What a fun party!!!

And for the record, the Law Of Attraction is 100%. It brings everything to us, that we have focussed on. It works for every person. The problem in our manifesting what we desire, only comes in due to our creating, and intending in an unconcious manner. By our lack of awareness, we have manifested by default, rather haphazardly, by giving our attention and focus to what we do not want, as opposed to focusing on what we do, indeed want.

Use your emotions/feelings as a monitor device.
If you find yourself feeling bad, depressed, sad, lonely, that stomach churning worry, etc...let that be the signal (because that's what it is) to you that you are not thinking in a positive stream that leads to your desires.
Once you notice this, immediatly shift to thinking about things that make you feel good. Big or little things. Happy little puppies romping playfully in the yard, and putting on such a wonderful show for you to see, and laugh about.
A glorious sunrise over the horizen. A cool breeze blowing through your hair on a summer evening.

When I first began doing this I had expected the whole process to take much longer, and be much more work than it has proven to be.

I began by thinking happy things, and singing happy songs, and reciting happy poems etc...and so much sooner than expected, I found myself in a feeling of gratitude for the most small things, and as I experienced this gratitude, I was surprised at how fast this grew, and expanded within me, and at the same time, I began to experience more of these things in my life.

I can now notice and use my guidance system (my feelings) so fast, it's like a blink of the eye, and I can even say the word, "JOY", and joy is immedietly, in me.
Same with HOPE, FAITH, GENEROSITY, KINDNESS, FREEDOM, EASE, COMFORT, RELIEF, TOLERANCE, MERCY, GRADTITUDE, PEACEFULNESS, and YES!. The greatest of these is LOVE.

I don't bother myself with the how's. I just release my desires into the Universe, and I get to enjoy envisioning that in my life.
I've been allowing myself the wonderful luxery of envisioning my millionare lifestyle. I lay in bed in the morning, listening to my rooster crow, and sipping on my really good hot cup of coffee, gazing out my picture window, as the sun rises in the sky, and I say, "I love you", "I love you", I love you", and "Thank you, for healing my life". I go with each wonderful thought, and memory that comes into my gratitude field, delivered up to me to experience all over again, and say thank you.
I then fill in some of the details of that life, and feel such magnificant gratitude, and love.

I'm looking forward to that party.