Manifesting chocolate.

[Parthon]

Picture this:

Here I am Friday, in my office, reading steve's blog, thinking about LoA, and I thought about chocolate. So I thought to myself "I would really like some chocolate, like *really*, really really really. I'll manifest some chocolate. I will have some chocolate, someone will offer it to me, I will get some chocolate." And just kept that thought for a minute. After the minute my brain reminded me that I had a chocolate muesli bar in my bag, but I said to myself (in my head) "Nah, it has to be chocolate from elsewhere." so then my brain reminds me that there's chocolate for sale in the fridge, and I said "Nah, someone will offer it to me." and nothing happened, everything went quiet. Then 2 minutes later I had to go to the bathroom, and as I was heading there, half way, a co-worker was eating some chocolate peanuts, and she offered some to me. Unbelievable. But it's what I manifested, so probably not unbelievable at all.

Definately a new record for quickest manifestation, 3 minutes, even if it was just chocolate.

I never doubted the power of LoA, but when you experience something like this, it just concretes it in a way that you never forget.

I was wondering if anyone else had this kind of super quick experience with manifestation.

[Acting Like Godot]

Oh yes. I have.

[Future's Origin]

I love manifesting the little things. When I intend a good driving experience as I'm walking out the door, the commute goes much smoother. Green lights, good gaps for turning, no morons, etc. Works every time and super quick. When I forget to intend it, I'm usually pretty miserable until I can get out of the car.

[Acting Like Godot]

I like manifesting for advice and tips from people in the know. Example - suppose you want to take a holiday in Japan but you've never been there and you don't know what places you should visit in Japan. Just intend for someone to give you tips.

Within a very short time, you'll be talking to someone - it could be anyone - and the topic won't be holidays or Japan - but somehow the topic will change, and suddenly it will turn out that he had spent five years working in Japan, or he has a Japanese wife or for whatever other reason he has already been to Japan a dozen times.

And then you'll get all the tips you need.

[Markus74]

That's the same phenomenon you have after you've bought a new car (or even when you keep thinking about a new one): suddenly you see exactly that car everywhere!!! Oh my, the synchronicity!

But actually the only thing that has changed is the filter that your brain uses. You wouldn't have noticed these cars if you didn't have this special car in your mind all the time. They would have been there too even if you hadn't focused on them. You just wouldn't have noticed them. Cars don't just pop out of the sky

The same with the chocolate peanuts. You probably wouldn't really have noticed them if you weren't, consciously or subconsciously, looking for chocolate. And maybe this person really like to eat those peanuts so the probability for a match with your chocolate wanting was really high. But the Universe didn't just move that person to this place at that time just for you to get chocolate peanuts. The person also had to buy these chocolate peanuts somewhere and had to do this even before you 'uttered your wish'.

Etc. Examples like these are well within the boundaries of probability.

This is also very neatly explained and demonstrated in the book "Crimes against logic" but of course nobody in here will read it!

[Parthon]

Oh yeah, it probably could have been a huge cooincidence, she does sit between my desk and the bathroom, even though I never have seen her before eat chocolate peanuts, she could eat them every day and I hadn't noticed and perhaps just thinking about chocolate made me notice them.

But .... that's not very empowering for me. Now I could justify myself by telling you about guessing colours of hidden objects, or guessing what people are thinking, and all sorts of things like that which have happened, but I won't. I will tell you why I believe in Intention-manifestation.

In a universe where intentions work a person has a lot of power, just intend for something and follow through on the intention and it will manifest. That's an awful lot of power for people to have and I'd like to live in that universe (and I do).

Now the alternative is that we are all in an mechanial ordinary universe, and we are all meatbags who can't do anything beyond our physical bodies. That's far less empowering.

And even if believing in the first only means that I'll notice things within my intentions that I wouldn't have noticed before, it's still worth it.

Now if weird coincedences arise because you were thinking about them, isn't that intention manifestation? If improbable but possible events happen more often when you are thinking about them, would that be Law of Attraction. I would say so.

Don't try and prove the provable, all you get is proof.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Parthon

But .... that's not very empowering for me. Now I could justify myself by telling you about guessing colors of hidden objects, or guessing what people are thinking, and all sorts of things like that which have happened, but I won't.

Why not tell us about this? I'd like to know your success rate in guessing color or people's thoughts. Seriously.

In a universe where intentions work a person has a lot of power, just intend for something and follow through on the intention and it will manifest. That's an awful lot of power for people to have and I'd like to live in that universe (and I do).

Whatever makes you happy.

Now the alternative is that we are all in an mechanial ordinary universe, and we are all meatbags who can't do anything beyond our physical bodies. That's far less empowering.

If the LoA works then not only other people will manifest things (or themselves) for you (because of your intentions) without them knowing it, but you too will manifest things (or yourselves) for them (because of their intentions) without knowing it.

I think that's a scary thought, because the assumptions that we can influence people (and their behavior) over distance, jsut with our thoughts, destroys the illusion of free will.

And even if believing in the first only means that I'll notice things within my intentions that I wouldn't have noticed before, it's still worth it.

True. A raised awareness is never wrong.

Now if weird coincidences arise because you were thinking about them, isn't that intention manifestation? If improbable but possible events happen more often when you are thinking about them, would that be Law of Attraction. I would say so.

Depends on the interpretation of a situation I guess. I'd say that the coincidences don't arise like that just because you intended them. That would be like voodoo. I'd say that those situations simply exist on their own (and independently from you) but at times they coincide with your actions, wants and wishes. Which then makes them look like synchronicities

We should just enjoy these things. And not get superstitious without a reason. On the other hand if believing it makes you feel better and it doesn't harm anybody else ... then go for it.

[Future's Origin]

Markus, I think it's something you'd have to try to understand. The things I manifest are incredibly specific. I don't just notice that traffic is good because I'm thinking about it. I observe that when I am pessimistic about traffic, I have a bad driving experience. When push away that negativity and visualize a smooth commute, that is exactly what I get. I'm very concious of my traffic experience at all times. I find driving incredibly anxious and it consumes my entire attention. I don't have a better attitude about getting cut off, I don't get cut off. I also notice the same new car I bought all the time. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive and I actually do not see how then are even related.
Sometimes, logic drives me to a logical conclusion and course of action. Often while reaching this conclusion, my "gut" reaches an entirely different conclusion. Gut's conclusion doesn't make any sense and is illogical. When I go against my gut, I regret it. Every single time. These things happen to you over and over and over again and it starts to mean more to you than science, logic, and other peoples assumptions about what is real. Those things are limiting and inhibit new discoveries because they encourage people to dismiss, rather than evaluate, things they don't understand. Based on past experience and observations, it is entirely logical to follow my gut feelings even when conventional logic leads me to a different conclusion. It's the same thing with intention and manifestation. My experiences are proof for me. You're lack of experience and skepticism does not outweigh my own observations. I don't claim to have any magical powers or complete control over my life. I am not deluded or creating a fantasy to help my cope with my fear of the unknown. I trust my own experience. I do not need to wait for someone else develop technology that enables them prove to me what I already know. People like me do not hate science, logic and reason or find them useless. We are waiting for them to catch up. Things don't pop into existance when we discover them, you know. The distant stars were burning before we were able to see them.

[impaul99]

I will share a short story of my initiation to the believers club of IM and LoA.

Myself and a friend of mine were heavily into PD and we were reading all kinds of books, from Tony Robbins to Napoleon Hill etc. We then started reading books by Deepak Chopra and we learned about this concept of Synchronicity. Believing it was just co-incidental events activated by the reticular activating system, we decided to try manifesting a synchronistic event that would, without any doubt in our minds, make us believe in this.

So, we put the intention out for that to happen. I went home and read "The Science of Getting Rich" and used the advice in there to try to manifest "proof" and the next morning my friend came into my office and said this to me "Hey Paul, this stuff is amazing, I totally feel like all this time we've been studying Personal Development stuff it has been like trying to solve the rubiks cube of reality or something. Well with THIS stuff, not only do I feel like we've solved the rubiks cube, I feel like the rubiks cube of reality has been totally shattered." and I said "I totally know what you mean man, I'm so excited."

Once in a while when we would figure something out that's profound we used to take a 10min break from work and take a walk to the nearby park. That morning, right after that conversation I totally felt like we needed to go for a walk so we did. As we're walking to the park and talking about how cool this stuff is and how we both feel this deep connection to the wisdom taught in IM and LoA kind of thinking I all of a sudden stuck my arm out and stopped my friend dead in his tracks. He looked at me and said "What?" and I was standing there with my eyes in shock and I pointed to the grass on the side of the sidewalk. Right there, on the grass layed a shattered rubiks cube with all the pieces scattered. It was the freakiest moment of my life up to that point. I actually looked around up and down the street thinking that someone has listening devices in my office and is messing with our minds. It was WEIRD, but instantly we knew it was the Synchronistic event that we were manifesting.

Like seriously. I haven't even SEEN a rubik's cube in the preceding 10 years prior to that event. We've never mentioned it or talked about a rubiks cube until that morning. My friend said, with a lot of emotion and enthusiasm that the rubik's cube of reality has been shattered and not even 10 minutes later we're standing on a sidewalk in front of a shattered rubiks cube! What are the chances of that!? I still have the pieces today to remind me of that day.

Since that day I've been able to manifest many many more synchronistic events that defy logical explanation as well but that was my first big one.

[Parthon]

Originally Posted by Markus74

Why not tell us about this? I'd like to know your success rate in guessing color or people's thoughts. Seriously.

The specific story about colours comes from one evening which was one of those aha moments that change how you view reality.

Now, I'm wondering if you have candy that we call Klinkers, it's coloured candy covered in chocolate, both yummy and a mystery because you don't know what flavour you are going to get before you bite. There are 4 colours in total. Pink, Green, Orange, Yellow.

One night when hanging out with friends the conversation got onto weird things, and I mentioned that I was 3 second psychic, that often I could guess things that were just about to happen, leading to deja-vu and "ready minds" so to speak. Now my friends were less than receptive so they said "Prove it!" (sound familiar?). So one picked up a Klinker and said what colour? "Green." *bite* "Damn, it's green" .. another friend picked up another, "Pink" *bite* and it was pink. This happened 5 times in a row, then I got one wrong. out of 15 Klinkers I guessed all up, I got 11 right. My friends were justifiably weirded out, as was I.

I thought hard about it for about 2 days, and was thinking about the Uncertainty principle, and I came to a conclusion, or a revelation for myself. The Klinkers as they were put into the bag were random, as was the shifting and moving during transport. By the law of uncertainty, we can't tell what colour they are until we measure them, and by then we've involved ourselves in the experiment, we measured it. Now what if the quantum universe reponds to my thoughts to have the uncertainty come up exactly how I said it would be. Instead of reading the future, I was creating it, and the universe reacted, creating the outcome I said, based on the law of uncertainty. Not the truth by a long shot, but definately a very empowering belief. So I practiced it for a while and began noticing synchronicities more and more, and they were becoming less and less likely or probable, some were even downright almost impossible. I'm now a believer, but there might come along a better, more accurate belief which will replace it, so until then ...

When you know you can manifest things for people though, and you start noticing your bad thoughts and then you see bad things happen, your natural compassion kicks in and you do your best to curtail your nasty thoughts. Creating good thoughts for other people is definately the way to go. As for whether or not other people can manifest things in me with their thoughts, I don't know, and it's inconsequential too. They are going to think thoughts anyway, and there's not much I can do to change that, only raising their awareness so their thoughts would be generally positive. That will never change free will either, I've never successfully manifested someone doing something that they wouldn't normally do, but perhaps I just think that's how they would normally behave.

About the three second psychic thing though, for well over 15 years I've noticed I will have a complete and whole thought(mine are normally pretty jumbled) that doesn't appear to have any connection to anything, then a few seconds later that thought will appear, either someone will say it out loud(the most common) or the thing I thought about will happen. Even when I didn't believe in it, it still happened. Now, no matter how many people tell me I'm wrong, I will still believe in it because it's real for me.

And I agree, LoA is just like voodoo. You "make a wish" as an intention and it happens. You can't get much more voodoo than that. Makes it no less real though. There are limits however, the universe still has to move in it's own ponderous way.

As for feeling better, its more like an inner fulfillment, almost like your whole body is saying "Yes! He finally got it!!!" You get the same feeling when you triumph at something, but you feel like this all the time. Definately a rush. As for why I believe in it? Power. Nothing more. Power to fulfill my dreams and create a world which I would like, slowly but surely. Power to being peace and harmony to everyone, a world of joy, integrity and freedom. It's not here now, and might never be, but it's worth working towards.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Future's Origin

I don't just notice that traffic is good because I'm thinking about it. I observe that when I am pessimistic about traffic, I have a bad driving experience. When push away that negativity and visualize a smooth commute, that is exactly what I get. I'm very conscious of my traffic experience at all times. I find driving incredibly anxious and it consumes my entire attention. I don't have a better attitude about getting cut off, I don't get cut off.

But that would mean that your thoughts or moods are influencing the behavior of other people outside of your car!? That's crazy. And it would turn them into your personal robots. That's what I don't get.

I mean, I understand that if you drive 'positively' you might influence other people into also driving 'positively' by GIVING A GOOD EXAMPLE or by NOT PROVOCATING people. In the same way that driving aggressively can trigger aggressive responses from the other drivers.

But just 'wishing' you had a pleasant (driving) experience doesn't 'magically' alter the behavior of other people. Or do you really believe this? This is the main problem I've got with this LoA theory.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Parthon

One night when hanging out with friends the conversation got onto weird things, and I mentioned that I was 3 second psychic, that often I could guess things that were just about to happen, leading to deja-vu and "ready minds" so to speak. Now my friends were less than receptive so they said "Prove it!" (sound familiar?). So one picked up a Klinker and said what colour? "Green." *bite* "Damn, it's green" .. another friend picked up another, "Pink" *bite* and it was pink. This happened 5 times in a row, then I got one wrong. out of 15 Klinkers I guessed all up, I got 11 right. My friends were justifiably weirded out, as was I.

Sounds impressive, but I've got a few questions:

1. Why only 11 and not 15? If you're able to create reality on the fly, why not go the whole way?

2. Did you repeat that experiment a few times? Did you always guess about 11 out of 15? Or was it just a one-time event?

3. Since you had 4 colors, you had a 25% chance at each turn to guess the right one. The probability for 11 correct guesses isn't big, agreed, but neither is the probability of winning a jackpot and the like. And yet people do win without using the LoA, or the other way round, there are probably several people trying to win using the LoA but they don't.

Thanks.

[skydust]

i usually manifest an empty road so i dont have to get off my bike when crossing it. works every time

[Parthon]

Originally Posted by Markus74

Sounds impressive, but I've got a few questions:

1. Why only 11 and not 15? If you're able to create reality on the fly, why not go the whole way?

2. Did you repeat that experiment a few times? Did you always guess about 11 out of 15? Or was it just a one-time event?

3. Since you had 4 colors, you had a 25% chance at each turn to guess the right one. The probability for 11 correct guesses isn't big, agreed, but neither is the probability of winning a jackpot and the like. And yet people do win without using the LoA, or the other way round, there are probably several people trying to win using the LoA but they don't.

Thanks.

Why only 11? For the same reason why people who play basketball and go for hoops don't get them in 100% of the time, it takes practice to achieve mastery. A perfect player would get the ball in 100% of the time, but a complete novice would miss often. If a basketballer got 11/15 3pointer shots in you would say they are pretty good. Exactly the same with IM, I have the power, there's just more room to expand in using it.

I tried it the next week, got much the same result, but it was only 12/20, much lower. I did feel out of synch that night though, I guess my own doubt put me off. This was also half way through when I was personally inquiring into the nature of reality(excuses excuses). But like with any skill, you have good days and bad. Sometimes synchronocities happen all over, sometimes you feel like you have no power at all. How much of that is self created is debatable.

It sorta became a joke amongst my friends for a while, but that made me want to develop it properly.

As for the chance of choosing 11 or more out of 15 - 0.0003254413604736328125 to 1. or 1 in 3072.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Markus74

But that would mean that your thoughts or moods are influencing the behavior of other people outside of your car!? That's crazy. And it would turn them into your personal robots. That's what I don't get.

Marcus I have already answered this question of your on numerous occasions in numerous threads.

[Refrozen]

As my first real I-M test, I tried manifesting chocolate today. I intended this morning, to get free chocolate sometime today. During my last hour out, I won a "trivia game", and got two large chocolate balls.

Talk about success.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Marcus I have already answered this question of your on numerous occasions in numerous threads.

Funny. I seem to have answered that question of his on numerous occasions too.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Funny. I seem to have answered that question of his on numerous occasions too.

I was once a witness in a trial in New York and I really loved it when I was being cross-examined by the other attorney and my lawyer would yell out "ASKED AND ANSWERED". I meant I didn't have to repeat myself.

[Cassie]

The weirdest thing happened to me yesterday which made me think of this thread. Granted I don't know very much about IM, but I was in the shower and ran my fingers through my hair. I had it cut very short but now it's growing back in, and I noticed it was knotting in back. I growled and realized there wasn't any conditioner around. I closed my eyes and willed conditioner to appear because I really flipping needed some! I found a weird bottle in the bathroom from someone else, almost like conditioner for color treated hair (I've never colored my hair before, but knew it was my mom's). I shrugged and used it because it was close enough.

Now later that night I walk in to take a bath and there's a bottle of conditioner sitting on the tub. A tommy hilfinger expensive brand new bottle that no one in my family has ever used or would ever use. It's just weird because the brand of it, no one in my family would ever buy something like that. Now I'm convinced I manifested a bottle of fancy conditioner!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Cassie

The weirdest thing happened to me yesterday which made me think of this thread. Granted I don't know very much about IM, but I was in the shower and ran my fingers through my hair. I had it cut very short but now it's growing back in, and I noticed it was knotting in back. I growled and realized there wasn't any conditioner around. I closed my eyes and willed conditioner to appear because I really flipping needed some! I found a weird bottle in the bathroom from someone else, almost like conditioner for color treated hair (I've never colored my hair before, but knew it was my mom's). I shrugged and used it because it was close enough.

Now later that night I walk in to take a bath and there's a bottle of conditioner sitting on the tub. A tommy hilfinger expensive brand new bottle that no one in my family has ever used or would ever use. It's just weird because the brand of it, no one in my family would ever buy something like that. Now I'm convinced I manifested a bottle of fancy conditioner!

Oh man, that's helarious. If you've been reading these forums you might have read that I just manifested plum pudding exactly like that just a few weeks ago. It's always a nice "wink" when that happens.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Funny. I seem to have answered that question of his on numerous occasions too.

And yet both of your answers didn't really make sense.

[Future's Origin]

Originally Posted by Markus74

But that would mean that your thoughts or moods are influencing the behavior of other people outside of your car!? That's crazy. And it would turn them into your personal robots. That's what I don't get.

I mean, I understand that if you drive 'positively' you might influence other people into also driving 'positively' by GIVING A GOOD EXAMPLE or by NOT PROVOCATING people. In the same way that driving aggressively can trigger aggressive responses from the other drivers.

But just 'wishing' you had a pleasant (driving) experience doesn't 'magically' alter the behavior of other people. Or do you really believe this? This is the main problem I've got with this LoA theory.

I don't think you are really understanding the LOA. It's not that people aren't driving dangerously, its that our paths do not intersect. I'm not magically controlling other people, I'm better controlling my own path. I beleive "Fate" and "Free Will" exist at the same time. Those words are quoted because they are the best words available to describe the concepts, but they are too absolute. I do beleive that your intentions can affect other peoples behaviour. Sure, we have free will, but who freely evaluates every mundane decision they make? Many people do not exercise their free will at all. We can still be reactionary. Random fate like things occur despite your plans, and intentions. I think people who don't conciously evaluate what they are doing are those whose actions are easiest to influence. I often intend good things for less aware members of my family. So I may not be changing a drivers habits, but perhaps other events could be influenced that would keep me and that bad driver from crossing paths, an would attract safe drivers towards me. Beleiving in the LOA doesn't mean that you have ultimate control over everything and everyone. To me, it means you have better control over yourself. The entire world and everything in it is energy. This is now a scentific fact. My thoughts are energy and they influence energy. All of this energy is connected. It isn't so much changing what you don't want, as attracting to yourself what you do want. I guess it's a part of abundance thinking. What you want is out there, and what you don't want is out there. Your thoughts attract either too you. When you focus on what you don't want, that is what you get. People are using LOA all the time, just not to their advantage. It's not Harry Potter Magic. I didn't buy it at first either, but I'm very open minded and gave it a genuine try and it may be the best thing I've ever done. Incidentally, I never drive aggresively or provoke others to drive dangerously even when I'm pessimistic. I am extremely concious of this. I drive exactly the same, only the outlook and intentions have changed.

[Isis Kali]

Originally Posted by impaul99

I will share a short story of my initiation to the believers club of IM and LoA.

Myself and a friend of mine were heavily into PD and we were reading all kinds of books, from Tony Robbins to Napoleon Hill etc. We then started reading books by Deepak Chopra and we learned about this concept of Synchronicity. Believing it was just co-incidental events activated by the reticular activating system, we decided to try manifesting a synchronistic event that would, without any doubt in our minds, make us believe in this.

So, we put the intention out for that to happen. I went home and read "The Science of Getting Rich" and used the advice in there to try to manifest "proof" and the next morning my friend came into my office and said this to me "Hey Paul, this stuff is amazing, I totally feel like all this time we've been studying Personal Development stuff it has been like trying to solve the rubiks cube of reality or something. Well with THIS stuff, not only do I feel like we've solved the rubiks cube, I feel like the rubiks cube of reality has been totally shattered." and I said "I totally know what you mean man, I'm so excited."

Once in a while when we would figure something out that's profound we used to take a 10min break from work and take a walk to the nearby park. That morning, right after that conversation I totally felt like we needed to go for a walk so we did. As we're walking to the park and talking about how cool this stuff is and how we both feel this deep connection to the wisdom taught in IM and LoA kind of thinking I all of a sudden stuck my arm out and stopped my friend dead in his tracks. He looked at me and said "What?" and I was standing there with my eyes in shock and I pointed to the grass on the side of the sidewalk. Right there, on the grass layed a shattered rubiks cube with all the pieces scattered. It was the freakiest moment of my life up to that point. I actually looked around up and down the street thinking that someone has listening devices in my office and is messing with our minds. It was WEIRD, but instantly we knew it was the Synchronistic event that we were manifesting.

Like seriously. I haven't even SEEN a rubik's cube in the preceding 10 years prior to that event. We've never mentioned it or talked about a rubiks cube until that morning. My friend said, with a lot of emotion and enthusiasm that the rubik's cube of reality has been shattered and not even 10 minutes later we're standing on a sidewalk in front of a shattered rubiks cube! What are the chances of that!? I still have the pieces today to remind me of that day.

Since that day I've been able to manifest many many more synchronistic events that defy logical explanation as well but that was my first big one.

That's something else. Wow.

My belief in I-M had been kinda shaky, but it's come back with a vengeance in the last week or so.

[pj567]

I love this thread, it's very inspiring about what's possible with LOA.

However, my attraction for chocolate seems to be a bit harder. I don't just want a candy bar, the kind that makes me break out-I want raw chocolate syrup with pure agave nectar and raw cocoa powder that I can only buy at a health food store an hour across town. And I want to get it for under $12 (I could theoretically buy it half an hour away but then it's $10 more.)

The first time I wanted it to magically manifest, it turned out that the extra jar I'd bought for my grand mother to try, she ended up not liking so she gave it back to me. But that was the only one I'd given to somebody else. Now that I've finished it off, it seems the only way for me to get another jar is to go out and buy it myself. So...practicality is kinda overruling the magical law of attraction here...(and yes I've even tried sending out letters to the company that makes it asking for free samples but it hasn't worked yet lol)

So...it looks like I'll have to go back to logical thinking on this one. *sigh*

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by pj567

But that was the only one I'd given to somebody else. Now that I've finished it off, it seems the only way for me to get another jar is to go out and buy it myself. So...practicality is kinda overruling the magical law of attraction here...(and yes I've even tried sending out letters to the company that makes it asking for free samples but it hasn't worked yet lol)

So...it looks like I'll have to go back to logical thinking on this one. *sigh*

Well, that's because you're stuck in the old thought pattern trying to control the "how". You don't believe you can have it unless you can see how it will come to you. That's not LoA. LoA is about focusing on the intention and allowing it to come to you by becoming a vibrational match to it - through thought, words, actions, beliefs, etc, but you don't have to know all the steps. What you are doing right there is creating resistance.

[pj567]

Thanks for that piece of advice Patricia

I suppose you're right about the resistence part..but then, doesn't what you want tend to come to you in a logical form? Like the poster who wanted chocolate, it's true that it came to him, but it came in a logical way-one of his coworkers had some and he was able to have it offered to him by walking past her desk. The chocolate didn't just magically appear beside his computer. I'm not saying he didn't use the law of attraction to get what he wanted, because without his intention to manifest his desire, he may not have gotten the thought to get up and walk past that person who had it. I'm just saying, the steps still appear logical...The chocolate didn't materialize out of thin air or come sailing down the hallway in some magical levitation. So even in this "law of attraction," it seems that logical physical actions still have a stronghold on events.

So with that in mind, I don't exactly know how to get something I want when I place such strict conditions on it. For instance, say I wanted a jar of raw chocolate syrup (specially concocted with raw cocoa and raw agave nectar) offered to me for free just like the original poster wanted his chocolate (in whatever form it took) offered freely to him. If this raw chocolate syrup I want is sold in inconvenient places and at an inconvenient cost and no one I know has ever heard of it, I'm not sure that visualizing having it would make it manifest in any other way other than physically going to the store and buying it myself. And then, if that happens, does it constitute the law of attraction at work? Or does it just constitute logical action at play?

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by pj567

I suppose you're right about the resistence part..but then, doesn't what you want tend to come to you in a logical form? Like the poster who wanted chocolate, it's true that it came to him, but it came in a logical way-one of his coworkers had some and he was able to have it offered to him by walking past her desk. The chocolate didn't just magically appear beside his computer. I'm not saying he didn't use the law of attraction to get what he wanted, because without his intention to manifest his desire, he may not have gotten the thought to get up and walk past that person who had it. I'm just saying, the steps still appear logical...The chocolate didn't materialize out of thin air or come sailing down the hallway in some magical levitation. So even in this "law of attraction," it seems that logical physical actions still have a stronghold on events.

Here's the misunderstanding I think you're having trouble with: when you say "logical", I think you mean it must manifest in a physical way, in a series of actions or events. With that definition in mind, once something manifests you can trace back the "logical" steps of how it came about, but when you're trying to manifest something, you don't need to know what these steps will be in advance. This is what I meant by trying to control the "how". If you hold the belief that there's only so many ways something can happen, ways YOU can predict and believe in, you're preventing all the other ones that you can't predict from reaching you.

Originally Posted by pj567

So with that in mind, I don't exactly know how to get something I want when I place such strict conditions on it.

You're answering your own question: if you restrict it to such strict conditions and can't see or at least believe that there are other ways it could come about, then that's what you get, restricted possibilities.

Originally Posted by pj567

For instance, say I wanted a jar of raw chocolate syrup (specially concocted with raw cocoa and raw agave nectar) offered to me for free just like the original poster wanted his chocolate (in whatever form it took) offered freely to him. If this raw chocolate syrup I want is sold in inconvenient places and at an inconvenient cost and no one I know has ever heard of it, I'm not sure that visualizing having it would make it manifest in any other way other than physically going to the store and buying it myself. And then, if that happens, does it constitute the law of attraction at work? Or does it just constitute logical action at play?

The highlighted quote is the problem here. You believe that the ONLY way to manifest the chocolate syrup is by going to the store yourself and buying it -and this belief is killing all other possibilities. Sure, you could go to the store and buy it yourself and it would be quick and easy, but if this is a test to you and you'd like to see it manifest through different means, then you need to start understanding and believing that this is NOT the only way. There are SO MANY other ways this could happen, the fact that you can't logically foresee them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Just to give you an example, I once wanted to manifest something, a DVD. So I put out the intention and released it, there was no resistance around this, I didn't need the DVD, I wasn't worried whether or not I would get it, etc. One day this DVD I wanted was delivered to my house. I hadn't told a single soul that I wanted it, not one person. I hadn't written it down anywhere, it was just in my mind. To this day I don't know who sent it. There's the sender address on the envelope, of course, and it's from the company that sells the DVD, but I hadn't ordered it. Meanwhile, someone I know received 2 of the same DVD, so he called me and asked me if I wanted to have one. So one simple intention manifested in two different ways at the same time in ways I could have not foreseen. I could have thought that the ONLY way to get this DVD was to buy it myself, but I didn't. I just trusted that somehow it would be here.

The first manifestation doesn't seem logical at all, but it still happened by physical means, someone clearly mailed it. But the second one was what you're calling "logical", I can trace the steps back to how it happened, but the point is I didn't have to know that in advance and I didn't try to figure it out on my own.

In your example, you're just looking around you and making assumptions like "it's only sold in inconvenient places and at inconvenient prices and no one I know has ever heard of it". These are all assumptions that could or could not be true. But assuming they are true, maybe someone you haven't even met yet has a box full of this chocolate syrup. Then somehow you meet this person and make a comment about how much you like the syrup, but it's hard to find and they'll say: "oh, what do you know, I just happen to have a box full of them and I could give you a couple". This is just one of the infinite possible ways this could happen. Can you see this possibility?

I hope this helps to clear things up for you, at least conceptually, because making it happen is something else entirely, you're gonna need to work on your beliefs and resistances. But if you can make sense of this misconception you've been holding on to, that's the first step.

[pj567]

Thanks for that post Patricia, it does clear a lot of things up for me.
In the end I cheated and went out and bought the chocolate because I didn't believe it could come in any other way. But I understand that it's just a belief.

If I wanted it to, I suppose it could come to me in other ways. I say "suppose" because I still, as you say, have some resistance to it.

I guess I'll have to work on that.

By the way, when you asked to manifest this dvd, did you hold that thought in your head most of the time? Or did you just think of it once and then let it go? And how long did it take before the desire was manifested?

[Jross22]

Originally Posted by Markus74

If the LoA works then not only other people will manifest things (or themselves) for you (because of your intentions) without them knowing it, but you too will manifest things (or yourselves) for them (because of their intentions) without knowing it.
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I think that's a scary thought, because the assumptions that we can influence people (and their behavior) over distance, jsut with our thoughts, destroys the illusion of free will.

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We should just enjoy these things. And not get superstitious without a reason. On the other hand if believing it makes you feel better and it doesn't harm anybody else ... then go for it.

Yes, it could be a scary thought. We'll call that the Dark Mind Trick theory. I've another. Take the example of the chocolate peanuts. He broadcast his intention to get a gift of free chocolate. The other co-worker's (cw's) unconscious mind said, "Cool, I have chocolate! I like to share," so it gave the cw's mind this idea. This idea made sense to the cw, who proceeded to offer chocolate on his unconscious assurance that the offer would be honored.

What I see here is that I/M apparently operates as a sort of subconscious want ad/matchmaker. Of course, this ALSO may operate in situations that ARE scary, but that's a different issue because, if this theory holds water, then I/M operates on a mysterious level of free will.

[lasti]

Originally Posted by Patricia

Just to give you an example, I once wanted to manifest something, a DVD. So I put out the intention and released it, there was no resistance around this, I didn't need the DVD, I wasn't worried whether or not I would get it, etc. One day this DVD I wanted was delivered to my house. I hadn't told a single soul that I wanted it, not one person. I hadn't written it down anywhere, it was just in my mind. To this day I don't know who sent it. There's the sender address on the envelope, of course, and it's from the company that sells the DVD, but I hadn't ordered it. Meanwhile, someone I know received 2 of the same DVD, so he called me and asked me if I wanted to have one. So one simple intention manifested in two different ways at the same time in ways I could have not foreseen. I could have thought that the ONLY way to get this DVD was to buy it myself, but I didn't. I just trusted that somehow it would be here.

One word: Wow!