Needing help with my attitude towards money

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

Okay, moonrambler. Good luck.

Thank you!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by cylon

Word. Hope you feel better moonrambler.

And you, too, ciarac! I know how awful that money-lack-crisis feeling feels, and I wish you lots of power. I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes for both of you as you generate joy and abundance in your lives.

[cylon]

Angela's becoming my "positive outlook on life" role model.

[Angela]

Wow! That feels very, very good.

[cylon]

Wait did I say that out loud?

Yeah it's true.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by ciarac

Hello to you all,

So, i've been reading and learning about the law of attraction for about three months now. I full believe in it and am a very interested student, I mean, I love the whole thing.
Although I believe in it, and have manifested a few things, I really am quite stuck when it comes to my money situation.
Let me set the scene; I'm a website content writer, so I am fully dependent solely on myself for my salary. I love this and I love having my own freedom. However, for the past seven years, in fact, my entire adult life, I've been broke. I get new clients, I get great leads, things look like they'll improve, but I always, ALWAYS come to the end of the month, or the start, without enough money. And it's amazing, I am a living example of the law of attraction in action.

In the past I've really pushed against this, every time I get broke I get angry and say "this is it! I'm not letting this happen again" but it does, of course.
So now, although I really am working on my attitude (if you look at my blog you'll see that I make efforts, and try to improve this part of my life) but I just can't seem to fix it, or as yet, I have not been able to.

SO, I'm asking for help. Anything will do, please criticize me, suggest things to me, whatever, I don't mind, I just really need help. I just have this attitude towards money, this knowing that I will always come to a stage where my cash will run out and I won't be able to pay my rent and will have to borrow cash, I have this attitude SO ingrained within me, I find it so hard to shake.
I'm not in debt now, thank god, because I DO have money coming in, but it's just never enough. I pay my rent finally, then my computer breaks and I have to borrow money to pay that, and then I'm out of cash again, and so on and so forth.

I really need help so any suggestion would do. And I would LOVE to hear from anybody who has had similar money attitudes and has changed them, that would be super. For me, the attitude I have, which I really have tried to get rid of, is that there is never enough. I actually find it really hard to imagine myself having enough. Like, having enough so that I'll always be able to pay my rent, go out with friends, go on holiday, simple things, all that seems outta reach.

So, hhheeeellllppppp!!!!

Thanks in advance!

You should really ask yourself which you believe in : abundance or lack

we think there can be both at the same time, but there cannot. Our logical minds like to think that there can be tremendous abundance (nature, the ultra wealthy, oil industry, and so on) and there can be great lack (starving kids in Africa, homeless people, and so on). We split it and try to believe in both - this is projected out and creates the duality we experience both personally and in the world we live in.

the truth is that if there is abundance.... there cannot be lack.

If there really is lack, then there cannot be abundance.

One is truth the other misperception.

we think they exist together but that isn't even logical. the truth is we want them both to exist therefor it appears they both do.

I believe there is only abundance. My misperceptions are merely.... misperceptions of truth.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

It's like this, simply: A person creates a certain amount of debt, and now, along with the most basic of living expenses, needs to have $1,000 clear income a month to clear up the responsibilities incurred as well as survive without going on the dole. What she's been doing is writing content articles for websites, 60 or 70 hours a week, and that pays her $800 clear income a month. She loves doing this writing and she loves her friends and her family and where she lives and she has lots of books to read and woods to hike in and a couple of dogs and she is the happiest she's ever been.

But she's still making $800 a month.

What I often see around here when we get to this point in a discussion, is how a person can cut their expenses in order to live on $800 a month. Where I'm always wanting the discussion to go, is how to increase income to $1600 a month. Then we get lots of stuff about feeling abundant and not focusing on lack. But if this person doesn't do something else, change the old habits and actions, or unless some money falls out of the sky, she's going to continue creating $200 debt each and every month.

there cannot be enough discussion about limiting beliefs. If you believe you need - then you'll need. If you believe you cannot make enough to live comfortably no matter what you've spent - then you won't. If you worry over not having enough, then you won't have enough.

how to bump the income? be the person who makes $1600 on the inside - your inner state of being must become one with the type of person you believe makes $1600 a month from doing that work. If your inner state is that of someone making $800 a month and spending $1000 then you'll never get over that hump and live abundantly.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by torilink

there cannot be enough discussion about limiting beliefs. If you believe you need - then you'll need. If you believe you cannot make enough to live comfortably no matter what you've spent - then you won't. If you worry over not having enough, then you won't have enough.

how to bump the income? be the person who makes $1600 on the inside - your inner state of being must become one with the type of person you believe makes $1600 a month from doing that work. If your inner state is that of someone making $800 a month and spending $1000 then you'll never get over that hump and live abundantly.

I keep feeling like I can't express this properly. My mom always felt like she didn't have enough. She actually had plenty, but she lived a life of scarcity because she was always fearing the wolf at the door. But this is opposite of what you say here in the literal way -- she worried about not having enough, but she did have enough. It is true in the metaphorical way and the actual way she lived, however-- she worried about not having enough, so she felt she never had enough.

I can't wrap my mind around how that relates to believing you have enough and living like you have more than enough, until you owe everybody loads of money. I mentioned on this forum a couple times about my friend who lived like he was real financially abundant and eventually they came and repossessed his Explorer.

To me, if I can say: "Look -- I created this mess" -- that means, I have the power to re-invent my life and clear things up lickety-splitly.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I have the power to re-invent my life and clear things up lickety-splitly.

Is that where you are? Is that how you feel? Are you re-inventing your life right now? Are things clearing up lickety-split?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I keep feeling like I can't express this properly. My mom always felt like she didn't have enough. She actually had plenty, but she lived a life of scarcity because she was always fearing the wolf at the door. But this is opposite of what you say here in the literal way -- she worried about not having enough, but she did have enough. It is true in the metaphorical way and the actual way she lived, however-- she worried about not having enough, so she felt she never had enough.

I can't wrap my mind around how that relates to believing you have enough and living like you have more than enough, until you owe everybody loads of money. I mentioned on this forum a couple times about my friend who lived like he was real financially abundant and eventually they came and repossessed his Explorer.

To me, if I can say: "Look -- I created this mess" -- that means, I have the power to re-invent my life and clear things up lickety-splitly.

well, it is about perception isn't it. If you perceive you don't have enough - you don't have enough - doesn't matter what someone else says or believes about your state of being. Totally subjective.

So you need to find that place inside of you where you align with what you desire. there is no looking outside yourself for this. You must be able to feel abundant inside even though you perceive lack outside yourself with your physical senses. this is the point of the shift -this is the space where what was stops and what you desire to be springs forth.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

Is that where you are? Is that how you feel? Are you re-inventing your life right now? Are things clearing up lickety-split?

I am re-inventing my life right now! Look what's happened in August. In the past three weeks, I now have a website of my own, a blog on another domain, articles on two other websites, sent out some resumes and got accepted by a freelance-assignment place that pays better than dog doo, became an affiliate of the Chopra Center, and am still an eBay PowerSeller!

And I've got a mantra here courtesy of Stuart Wilde: "There's plenty of money in the world, and large amounts of it are about to drop effortlessly into my lap."

And, astoundingly, I'm about to turn 50. FIFTY! I always wanted to live long enough to turn 50!

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by torilink

well, it is about perception isn't it. If you perceive you don't have enough - you don't have enough - doesn't matter what someone else says or believes about your state of being. Totally subjective.

So you need to find that place inside of you where you align with what you desire. there is no looking outside yourself for this. You must be able to feel abundant inside even though you perceive lack outside yourself with your physical senses. this is the point of the shift -this is the space where what was stops and what you desire to be springs forth.

I agree with you about feeling abundant inside, that you can't look outside for this. It is what Dr. Dispenza emphasizes in that book, too. The person created their health problem and now has the power to re-invent themselves (himself, herself, themself?) as a person of vibrant health. Despite what the doctors might have to say about it!

I disagree to a degree about the perception, however, but maybe you could explain it from the opposing point of view. What about a person who perceives they have more than enough, and winds up getting their car repossessed, because their perception leads them to act financially irresponsibly?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I am re-inventing my life right now! Look what's happened in August. In the past three weeks, I now have a website of my own, a blog on another domain, articles on two other websites, sent out some resumes and got accepted by a freelance-assignment place that pays better than dog doo, became an affiliate of the Chopra Center, and am still an eBay PowerSeller!

And I've got a mantra here courtesy of Stuart Wilde: "There's plenty of money in the world, and large amounts of it are about to drop effortlessly into my lap."

And, astoundingly, I'm about to turn 50. FIFTY! I always wanted to live long enough to turn 50!

excellent, and the thing is the more you feel like a writer (not the starving artist type, but the making good money type) you'll begin to see even more results. It is about that inner alignment with belief.

You know there are so many magazines that pay really well for articles too - not sure what area you focus your writings on but ... just a suggestion because one article a month from national magazines would cover what you desire to make i think.

[Angela]

That's great! Doesn't it feel much better to tell that story?

(it definitely feels better to hear it. )

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by torilink

excellent, and the thing is the more you feel like a writer (not the starving artist type, but the making good money type) you'll begin to see even more results. It is about that inner alignment with belief.

You know there are so many magazines that pay really well for articles too - not sure what area you focus your writings on but ... just a suggestion because one article a month from national magazines would cover what you desire to make i think.

I hadn't written much of anything of note for many years up until this month, but previously, I was reasonably successful with writing. I hadn't ever made a living from it exclusively though, so I kept looking for other sources of income to finance the writing and ended up getting completely sidetracked. It's been fun starting to get my feet wet again. I'm figuring any second now I will just jump right off the diving board, splash!

[cylon]

Out with the starving artist myth.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I hadn't written much of anything of note for many years up until this month, but previously, I was reasonably successful with writing. I hadn't ever made a living from it exclusively though, so I kept looking for other sources of income to finance the writing and ended up getting completely sidetracked. It's been fun starting to get my feet wet again. I'm figuring any second now I will just jump right off the diving board, splash!

there is only now! and so it is.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's great! Doesn't it feel much better to tell that story?

(it definitely feels better to hear it. )

Ok, then let's go back in time an hour or two:

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Some of us absolutely without a single doubt need to get out of this mindset of "Oh, something will happen to get us out of this mess." Some of us have lived like this for a long time and have just made a bigger and bigger mess. Some of us truly need to learn how to get ourselves out of a mess we created, without always being confident that money will "appear" out of the blue. What about all the people for whom this money doesn't just "appear"?

This is part of the story. Well, it's part of my story. A lot of us have a story about a mess. Steve went bankrupt and he has created a wonderful new life providing tremendous value to multitudes of people. Paul almost went bankrupt, and he sounds pleased as plum pudding with his new career as a blogger and money-making coach. Cylon has said he had his issues with money as well some years back, and has moved on to creating joy and synchronicity.

I do not think it's such a bad thing to take a look at the mess. I don't mean to look at it and say, "Loser! Loser! Loser! You can't do anything right! Look how horrible everything is! We'll never be able to make the car payment! Pretty soon we'll be eating cat food!"

I also am wary of the idea of looking at the mess and saying, "I am financially abundant! I know I'll always have what I need, so I'm going to take my last ten bucks and buy five lottery tickets and a bottle of cheap wine! I know the universe will provide!" Then in the morning what you have is five worthless lottery tickets and a hangover.

What I mean is, I look at it and say, "Well, heck. Before I re-invented myself, I created this mess. What am I going to do to resolve it lickety-splitly, in a healthy and positive way?"

[torilink]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I also am wary of the idea of looking at the mess and saying, "I am financially abundant! I know I'll always have what I need, so I'm going to take my last ten bucks and buy five lottery tickets and a bottle of cheap wine! I know the universe will provide!" Then in the morning what you have is five worthless lottery tickets and a hangover.

why not do that if that makes you happy! there is nothing wrong with knowing you will always have enough. The master manifestor would spend their last ten bucks in such a way knowing tomorrow is another day and ANYTHING can happen in a day - besides - all is well with the world.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by torilink

why not do that if that makes you happy! there is nothing wrong with knowing you will always have enough. The master manifestor would spend their last ten bucks in such a way knowing tomorrow is another day and ANYTHING can happen in a day - besides - all is well with the world.

Because the next day you don't have the ten bucks and you can't afford to buy any more syringes to provide insulin to your diabetic cat, and now what?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I also am wary of the idea of looking at the mess and saying, "I am financially abundant!

You're right -- if you look at and see a mess and you say, "I am financially abundant," that probably won't feel too good, because you'll recognize how out of alignment you are with the truth. And if you look at and see overflowing abundance and you say, "I am financially abundant" then I think you will feel good. Here's the thing, moonrambler: no matter what the circumstance, you have the power to look at and see a mess, or to see overflowing abundance. You and I can look at the same circumstance, and you will be experiencing "mess" and telling me I'm in denial because what I'm experiencing is overflowing abundance. You'll think I'm crazy or deluded or in denial, and I'll consider that you simply have another perspective, and don't recognize that another perspective is even possible.

From the perspective of another person, your circumstances would look like incredible wealth. Why is that? Because they're looking at the abundance. You see the mess because that's what you're looking for. What's that? They don't know the truth? They can't see the reality of your situation? But you can, and it's a mess!

What I mean is, I look at it and say, "Well, heck. Before I re-invented myself, I created this mess. What am I going to do to resolve it lickety-splitly, in a healthy and positive way?"

What are you going to do, or what are you doing?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Cylon has said he had his issues with money as well some years back, and has moved on to creating joy and synchronicity.

I do not think it's such a bad thing to take a look at the mess. I don't mean to look at it and say, "Loser! Loser! Loser! You can't do anything right! Look how horrible everything is! We'll never be able to make the car payment! Pretty soon we'll be eating cat food!"

We create it. It's when it gets so bad that we think it can't get any worse, that we finally start really asking for what we want. I don't see how what you've posted is inconsistent with the the theme of this board, of accepting responsibility for your life, and then making a firm commitment to have a better life.

What you seem to be doing, is you don't want to let go of your "action and busywork" model. Like I said in the noise thread a couple days ago. We want and need it to be more complicated, because that's the worldview we have. If it comes without struggle, we are suspicious.

And when we start having tripped out experiences, our world-model shatters.

[Angela]

Moonrambler, since I quit my job in April I have no salary of course. I had been making a pretty good one, and I was so afraid to let go of it!

And now, I am experiencing overflowing abundance so rich and vital and gorgeous that it's hard to believe I was ever afraid to jump. Money and other nice stuff I need or would like to have is flowing generously into my life. I am safe and supported. I like knowing that as I relax my allowing of abundance, it expands more and more in my life. It feels very good to know that even though I don't have that paycheck coming twice a month, I'm ok. I have enough to feed and shelter myself plus extra. I even have a little left over to spend on others! And it is fun to watch more and more money and other delightfully anticipated stuff appear more and more, exactly as fast as is perfect for me.

One of the biggest manifestations of abundance is each night when I tell Danger Man: "Guess what! I don't have to go to work tomorrow!" Ohhh, I feel so rich!

And another thing that makes me feel wealthier than anything in the world: when, during my coaching, a person sees their limiting belief and invents a new possibility for herself that ignites inspiration and joy. To recognize that I now have the abundance in my life to be able to facilitate that, to freely focus on boldly making a difference in people's lives, Wow! You know the Grinch at the end when his heart is two sizes too big? It feels that good. Talk about wealth!

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

From the perspective of another person, your circumstances would look like incredible wealth. Why is that? Because they're looking at the abundance. You see the mess because that's what you're looking for. What's that? They don't know the truth? They can't see the reality of your situation? But you can, and it's a mess!

Well, I know what you mean. Two people have got $20,000 debt and one has real estate and one doesn't. Person A thinks Person B has no mess because all Person B has to do is sell the real estate and pay off the debt. Person B thinks Person A has no mess because what are the collectors going to do? Person A doesn't have anything to take!

What are you going to do, or what are you doing?

Yes, good point.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Because the next day you don't have the ten bucks and you can't afford to buy any more syringes to provide insulin to your diabetic cat, and now what?

read that like ten times. worry will not make anything better - in fact it will just make it worse.

the next day I may have thousands!!! I won't get into the health of the cat... that's another conversation altogether.

now what? tomorrow isn't now.

[torilink]

I would have to honestly say that if someone holds themselves in an abundant state of being - this could not happen. For it to happen you'd have to be functioning from an internal state of "Lack".

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I agree with you about feeling abundant inside, that you can't look outside for this. It is what Dr. Dispenza emphasizes in that book, too. The person created their health problem and now has the power to re-invent themselves (himself, herself, themself?) as a person of vibrant health. Despite what the doctors might have to say about it!

I disagree to a degree about the perception, however, but maybe you could explain it from the opposing point of view. What about a person who perceives they have more than enough, and winds up getting their car repossessed, because their perception leads them to act financially irresponsibly?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Angela

One of the biggest manifestations of abundance is each night when I tell Danger Man: "Guess what! I don't have to go to work tomorrow!" Ohhh, I feel so rich!

Yaaaaaay! Me next.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by torilink

I would have to honestly say that if someone holds themselves in an abundant state of being - this could not happen. For it to happen you'd have to be functioning from an internal state of "Lack".

It did happen. I watched it happen. We can't get into his mind, but I can tell you that I know this guy very, very well, and he never dreamed anything like that would happen. He figured he'd be able to make it all work out somehow, and it did not work out. He was always spending like he was a big shot. The only problem was he didn't have enough income to support his perception that he had a big fat wallet.

I don't know where to go with this anymore. There are lots of people who spend and spend because they feel like there is no need to worry, and they get themselves into real sticky situations. There are people addicted to gambling, who are absolutely CERTAIN that they are going to win it all back, and they lose everything. People who have to break into their kids' piggy banks to go buy food because they've spent every last cent at the casino, because they KNEW they would win. They still know they will win. Next time.

And spending the ten bucks on gambling (lottery tickets) because it's fun, when you may or may not have another ten bucks tomorrow for the diabetic cat (or the diabetic child, for that matter) -- you seriously tell me that's ok? Because tomorrow, lots of money might just appear out of nowhere?

[cylon]

Who here is saying to spend money you don't have in the bank?

[torilink]

here is my understanding of what you observed. This person/persons don't spend because they feel abundant, they spend and amass things because they feel lack. This is spending driven by the ego and it's desire to feel important, to have more than others, or to feel "More than".

this is different than being in a state of abundance.

jmho

Originally Posted by moonrambler

It did happen. I watched it happen. We can't get into his mind, but I can tell you that I know this guy very, very well, and he never dreamed anything like that would happen. He figured he'd be able to make it all work out somehow, and it did not work out. He was always spending like he was a big shot. The only problem was he didn't have enough income to support his perception that he had a big fat wallet.

I don't know where to go with this anymore. There are lots of people who spend and spend because they feel like there is no need to worry, and they get themselves into real sticky situations. There are people addicted to gambling, who are absolutely CERTAIN that they are going to win it all back, and they lose everything. People who have to break into their kids' piggy banks to go buy food because they've spent every last cent at the casino, because they KNEW they would win. They still know they will win. Next time.

And spending the ten bucks on gambling (lottery tickets) because it's fun, when you may or may not have another ten bucks tomorrow for the diabetic cat (or the diabetic child, for that matter) -- you seriously tell me that's ok? Because tomorrow, lots of money might just appear out of nowhere?