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Old 08-11-2008, 06:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Jesus killed a fig tree? wtf? lol
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Well, there's where you're wrong Godot I do want instant manifestation in a form..
You have to evolve further before you can do instant manifestation. Otherwise you're a hazard to others as well as yourself. Seth explained this.

This is the kind of bad stuff that happens when your powers of manifestation exceed your self-knowledge, self-discipline & self-control:

Karma … Or Mrs ALG as the Accidental Witch? « The Magickal Mind

The above is an example of my wife going wrong. Here is an example of where I myself went wrong:

A Victim of My Own Magick? « The Magickal Mind

Personally, it is my regular practice to manifest for more wisdom. So that as my LOA abilities, there is less risk I will do stupid things and manifest things which aren't to my own benefit.

If you start advancing a little too fast for comfort, you may get some experiences that you aren't ready for. These two experiences of mine were quite scary for me:

Intention No. 3 - The God Intention « The Magickal Mind

3rd May - Mind Session (p.m). A Somewhat Scary Experience « The Magickal Mind

Maybe these examples are too weird and too esoteric for you. Well, I'll just give you a simple, more everyday examples.

(a) the girl that you'd like to fall in love with is actually a psychotic ♥♥♥♥♥.

(b) the job that you wanted turns out to very demanding and you have to put in very long hours.

(c) the house that you want actually has defective sewage pipes which you haven't discovered yet

(d) you'd like to drastically change your appearance, but you don't realise that your friends think you look great just the way you are now;

(e) you manifested a rapid weight loss, then found that you have to spend a lot of money buying new clothes, because none of your current clothes fit

etc etc
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Old 08-14-2008, 01:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Jesus killed a fig tree? wtf? lol

Yes .... He was feeling hungry; had a bad day and lost his temper.

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Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.

Poor tree.
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Ok -- I agree this is probably true, but a person who is enlightened enough to accomplish instant manifestation would need to be very disciplined and very, very careful. Jesus obviously was able to accomplish instant manifestation, and even then there was weird stuff going on like he got all hacked off at a fig tree and cursed it and killed it.
Interesting that you should mention that. I wrote a blog post about that very passage from the Bible back in January. I was writing about the stipulation that Jesus gave to be able to do such things, which is forgiveness.

I looked up the etymology of forgiveness once. It literally means to give up. A letting go. Kind of goes along with Buddha's idea of suffering being caused by attachment. Ending suffering equals letting go.
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TheMaster -- a brilliant, cut to the chase request. And you can be sure of one thing.... the solution (and therefore the shortcut) most certainly does exist. No doubt about it. Here it is...

This is what very few people ever realize about Intention - Manifestation:

In Reality, there is no delay whatsoever between what you ask for and what you receive. None! The universe is pure, perfect response! It unfailingly returns to the requester precisely what it is that he has requested.

Always!

There is immense beauty (and hope) in this fact.

Now, I would guess this probably sounds like a bunch of hog wash. So I'll explain further:

When you send a request out to Life, the only kind of request you're able to send is for the kind of life you will have NOW. In Reality, you are asking for and being given the kind of life you want in this very moment. And life ALWAYS gives you what you ask for.

Now here's the catch:

Life doesn't care one hoot for the "things" you ask it for. It strips away and tosses aside the "objects" you request in exactly the same way that you would strip away the outer shell of a peanut.

Instead it looks straight through the objects to the "invisible" request that is underneath them, and it is THIS REQUEST that it returns to you without fail.

Listen, what I'm telling you isn't some theory I've come up with... it is the rock-solid Truth of the matter... which you can prove for yourself. And it's also the reason why so many people complain that The Law of Attraction doesn't work. They don't realize what it is that the Law of Attraction operates upon.

Here's an example to make it clear:

So I'm sitting in my tiny apartment and I've had it with this cramped lifestyle. I want it all... the big house, the private jet, and the lavish lifestyle. And so I send out my request, "Life, please, help me to manifest a big house, a pool, and lots of money."

But Life, being truly Compassionate, hears and responds to the invisible request that is obscured by the objects. And this is the invisible request it hears:

"Life, I am determined to have a life in which my happiness is completely dependent upon the outer lifestyle I live. I understand that to make such a request is to live in fear, but that is what I want."

And do you know what that requester is given for his request? Hold on to your hat...

Fear!

It will feel like excitement (which in a deeper sense is literally the exact same thing) because his entire system will be flooded with powerful sensations as he imagines his new dream. But really, if you could slow down the response and see it accurately, you would see that at the precise moment that this person makes his request, he is given the life of fear that was inherent in his request.

Life responded instantaneously and perfectly to what he requested!

The good news is that you really can change the nature of the instantaneous request you are making moment-to-moment. Another example in the form of an experiment you can test out:

Try experimenting sometime with dropping any and all wants and desires that rise up and try to drag you off into another new pursuit. Just temporarily refuse to place any demand whatsoever that your life should be different from what it now is. What you'll discover is that in the absence of the next "want" there exists a peace and contentment that doesn't depend upon a single thing in the outer world to keep it in place.

See, when you boil it down, what everyone is really requesting through the Law of Attraction is simply a life in which everything is finally OK. A life in which WHAT I AM is sufficient as it is. That is a right wish. But the problem is, that right wish gets twisted around, and we wind up seeking substitutes.... stand-ins.... go-betweens. Instead of asking directly for what is wanted, "Life, I wish to live a life that is at peace right now, as I am," we go at it in a round-about way that adds conditions and therefore instantaneous and unavoidable fear --> "Life, I want peace in my life and I want it to be dependent upon getting a new car."

Add even one condition to your request, and you must agree to live in fear.

I should mention one more thing: Simply saying the words, "Life, I want a life of peace right now as I am," will initially do little to nothing for you because without knowing it you will be harboring all sorts of ideas about what "a life of peace" actually means. And so there's another set of conditions to be seen through.

Understanding all this is a beautiful start... and the beginning (and ending) of a pretty extraordinary journey!
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:53 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Thanks for your examples.. Acting Like Godot I'll look them over when I'm or if I'm ready..

(I decided to post publically after all some stuff to be commented on)

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(a) the girl that you'd like to fall in love with is actually a psychotic ♥♥♥♥♥.

(b) the job that you wanted turns out to very demanding and you have to put in very long hours.

(c) the house that you want actually has defective sewage pipes which you haven't discovered yet

(d) you'd like to drastically change your appearance, but you don't realize that your friends think you look great just the way you are now;

(e) you manifested a rapid weight loss, then found that you have to spend a lot of money buying new clothes, because none of your current clothes fit
I'm going to quote another teacher now.. who seems to bare fruit on these examples that teacher says.. "every situation is neutral" it's how you affect that outcome that you put a negative or positive spin on it.. When I read these statements Godot I feel you have a negative spin on them.. I could say from each of those situations.. "that has helped me better define what I do want" or a abraham statement "the contrast has brought about strong new desire in me" I could probably find some optimistic view points for all of them..

(all I'm really saying is your message in some terms feels slightly negative, comes from lack.. seems to share in a FEAR theme of things..)

inquiringmind4u I have read your statement.. and I'll have to say is it needs some work.. I no longer feel it's too preachy I did note that you shouldn't even have the word "fear" in there.. and I'll also say you don't have the shortcut or your method "I will not allow"

But thanks anyway..

Unlike a lot of people transitioning to LOA in the now coming in with deep seated problems.. I feel that I'm one of the lucky few that has shown up (and believe) with very few.. (I think this is my lifestyle choice set about and carried out in my life for me) My scientific study of the world going back to my childhood had several theoretical wholes that a religion/new age filled and that I seem to still believe is a great fit.. I believe a great piece of advice given out there is if you are communicating with your inner self.. (that which is you) you might start listening to those synchronicities, those goose bumps on the back and other communication sent forth for you..
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I'm going to quote another teacher now.. who seems to bare fruit on these examples that teacher says.. "every situation is neutral" it's how you affect that outcome that you put a negative or positive spin on it.. When I read these statements Godot I feel you have a negative spin on them.. I could say from each of those situations.. "that has helped me better define what I do want" or a abraham statement "the contrast has brought about strong new desire in me" I could probably find some optimistic view points for all of them..

(all I'm really saying is your message in some terms feels slightly negative, comes from lack.. seems to share in a FEAR theme of things..)
I would put it this way.

During those periods of my life when I am feeling good, relaxed, happy, nice etc, and I do some magick to try to manifest my intentions, I would say that if they do come true, they tend to turn out very well.

However, during those periods of my life when I am feeling tense, angry, upset or worried, and I do some magick to try to manifest my intentions, then even if they do come true, they tend to come true with some little twist or turn which is not so pleasant.

Now, of course, whatever happens, you can (and should) try to see it in the most positive light possible. This however doesn't detract from my observations as spelled out in the two paragraphs above.

Now the next thing is not something which I have read from books etc, but is something I have kinda gleaned from personal experience. When you're having some problems and not feeling good, it is often counterproductive to to try to do a formal IM or magick session, to manifest a specific solution to your problem.

Instead you really should focus on feeling good instead. For example, suppose you have a big problem at work with Project ABC and it is making you feel tense and worried. There are two possible approaches:

(a) you could go home and immediately try to IM a solution to your Project ABC problem; OR

(b) you could go home and make yourself feel better. AND THEN, only when you are feeling better, you try to IM a solution to your Project ABC problem.

If you use the (a) approach, what you may well find is that a solution will soon appear in your reality to solve your Project ABC problem, but the solution itself later causes new problems.

If you use the (b) approach, what you will find is that a solution will soon appear in your reality to solve your Project ABC problem, and the solution really works well and smoothly.

As to how to make yourself feel better, that will vary from person to person. But personally I find that going for a nice, long run by myself works wonders to remove tension and worry.

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Back to your specific concerns, in this post. What time (or delay in manifestation) does is that it gives you an opportunity to alter your intention; change the energies you've put out; and so on. As a matter of fact, everyday we're altering our intentions, putting out new thoughts and constantly reshaping our realities.

For example, one morning, something may make you angry; you have lots of furious thoughts. Fortunately for you, manifestation isn't usually instant. Thus by afternoon, you may be able to re-establish control of your mind, calm down, adopt a different view, find a different solution etc.

But if all your angry thoughts had manifested instantly in the morning, hmmm, you'd regret your instant-manifestation abilities.
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You have to figure as well, are you really so evolved that you want instant manifestation of every thought you have? This means you'll instantly have the result when you think (or say to somebody, in anger or whatever):

- I wish you'd go away and never come back
- This dog is more trouble than it's worth
- I'm so tired of these car problems I'm going to just shove the damn thing into the river
- Hortense is really an envious green-eyed monster, isn't she?

And so on . . .
Not sure it works that way. From what I have been learning, those who possess the ability for instant manifestation have evolved to the point where they do not think in terms of anger or judgement of others. They are at peace; they know they are one with God/Source/Universe, and as such, they are without fear.

It is fear and its many flavours (anger, malice, jealousy, etc) that are the opposite of love. This is the problem.

Once overcome, it is not possible to have harsh desires like that.....
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Not sure it works that way. From what I have been learning, those who possess the ability for instant manifestation have evolved to the point where they do not think in terms of anger or judgement of others. They are at peace; they know they are one with God/Source/Universe, and as such, they are without fear.

It is fear and its many flavours (anger, malice, jealousy, etc) that are the opposite of love. This is the problem.

Once overcome, it is not possible to have harsh desires like that.....
I guess then you'd have to explain why Jesus got angry. He certainly also was judgmental of others.
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inquiringmind4u I have read your statement.. and I'll have to say is it needs some work.. I no longer feel it's too preachy I did note that you shouldn't even have the word "fear" in there.. and I'll also say you don't have the shortcut or your method "I will not allow"

But thanks anyway..
inquiringmind4u has the best answer yet in this thread. I was about to type something along the same lines, but no need. That IS the answer you are looking for. The short cut.

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There most certainly is a short-cut... but most will never find it.
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THANK YOU FOR THIS... I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS INFORMATION...
Lil Chris -- you are very welcome... and thank you for posting that nice reply. I share the exact same gratitude as you expressed in your post. The True Path is the one thing in Life that can never ever betray those who walk upon it... a discovery like none other, that's for sure.


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inquiringmind4u has the best answer yet in this thread. I was about to type something along the same lines, but no need. That IS the answer you are looking for. The short cut.
Thank you, Dharma. I appreciate your post. I can tell from your comments that you know how rare it is to find someone who both recognizes and wants the True shortcut... so I just wanted to pass along this nod of recognition of having met another traveler walking the Path.

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Thank you, Dharma. I appreciate your post. I can tell from your comments that you know how rare it is to find someone who both recognizes and wants the True shortcut... so I just wanted to pass along this nod of recognition of having met another traveler walking the Path.

Sincerely,

Tim
Thanks Tim, I appreciate your words.
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inquiringmind4u, I read your post two times but do not seem to understand. Your saying that you cannot get what you want because you really just want that stuff because your afraid to live without it?

Ok I want to be rich. I plan to be rich in all honesty, but I also know that money is not the key to happiness. Are you saying that I wont get rich because I realize this?

I dont quite understand what you are saying. I thought we could get anything we want with the LOA.
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ohh another coincidence I was thinking about this thread the other day.. and back at the top.. ohh what a non-surprise
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inquiringmind4u, I read your post two times but do not seem to understand. Your saying that you cannot get what you want because you really just want that stuff because your afraid to live without it?
Hi jackfrost,

Thanks for the question. It’s a very important topic, so we need to be as clear as possible.

First the short answer: What I'm saying is that intention-manifestation (or Law of Attraction) as it is presently understood and touted, is one gigantic disaster.

I really mean that.

The way it is presently "taught" it comes laced with an unseen seed of fear that is going to be devastating down the road for lots of people... something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy. I'll explain:

When you're trying to manifest something, is it the "thing" that you're after?

- When you are trying to manifest a lavish lifestyle for yourself, is it really the lavish lifestyle that you're after? Or is it the sense of contentment that you believe that lifestyle is going to deliver to you?

- When you are trying to manifest a new relationship, is it the relationship that you're after? Or is it the pleasant feeling of wholeness that you believe that relationship will bestow to you?

- When you are trying to manifest ____________, is it ____________ that you want? Or is it the sense of completion that you believe ____________ will bring to your life?

The examples make it clear. Even though virtually all we can do is ask the universe for "things" -- whether they be people, possessions, powers, or places -- in reality it isn't really the things that we want. What we're after is a certain "invisible" quality that we believe will come if we can somehow possess the things we imagine.

My opening comments are just to prove at the outset that what we are actually pursuing in our life are certain invisible qualities (which unfortunately for us have gotten wrongly tied to people, possessions, powers, and places).

Now, to explain what I said in my post:

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This is what very few people ever realize about Intention - Manifestation:

In Reality, there is no delay whatsoever between what you ask for and what you receive. None! The universe is pure, perfect response! It unfailingly returns to the requester precisely what it is that he has requested.

Always!

When you send a request out to Life, the only kind of request you're able to send is for the kind of life you will have NOW. In Reality, you are asking for and being given the kind of life you want in this very moment. And life ALWAYS gives you what you ask for.

Now here's the catch:

Life doesn't care one hoot for the "things" you ask it for. It strips away and tosses aside the "objects" you request in exactly the same way that you would strip away the outer shell of a peanut.

Instead it looks straight through the objects to the "invisible" request that is underneath them, and it is THIS REQUEST that it returns to you without fail.

Listen, what I'm telling you isn't some theory I've come up with... it is the rock-solid Truth of the matter... which you can prove for yourself. And it's also the reason why so many people complain that The Law of Attraction doesn't work. They don't realize what it is that the Law of Attraction operates upon.

Here's an example to make it clear:

So I'm sitting in my tiny apartment and I've had it with this cramped lifestyle. I want it all... the big house, the private jet, and the lavish lifestyle. And so I send out my request, "Life, please, help me to manifest a big house, a pool, and lots of money."


But Life, being truly Compassionate, hears and responds to the invisible request that is obscured by the objects. And this is the invisible request it hears:

"Life, I am determined to have a life in which my happiness is completely dependent upon the outer lifestyle I live. I understand that to make such a request is to live in fear, but that is what I want."

And do you know what that requester is given for his request? Hold on to your hat...

Fear!

It will feel like excitement (which in a deeper sense is literally the exact same thing) because his entire system will be flooded with powerful sensations as he imagines his new dream. But really, if you could slow down the response and see it accurately, you would see that at the precise moment that this person makes his request, he is given the life of fear that was inherent in his request.
See, as a human being there is no delay whatsoever in what you request from life and what you manifest, and that's because all human requests are translated into a request for the "invisible world" that person is going to inhabit at the precise moment of his request.

Every single day, in every one of our thoughts and actions, we are connected instantaneously to the same world from which they come. There's no time delay at all.

For example, have you ever noticed that when you hate things about your life, life seems to hate you right back?

Likewise, when there is something genuinely nice stirring in your heart, every corner of life seems to smile back at you.

The world you connect yourself to, IS the world you get back instantaneously.

The problem with the grossly misunderstood and grossly manipulated "Law of Attraction" is this: When someone puts out their request for some material change in their circumstances, they have no idea what they are really asking for.

They have no idea that they are placing themselves in a world of limitation by making that request.

They have no idea of the nature of the world they are connecting themselves to!


What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter if you become rich or don't become rich. Because, as Vernon Howard once said, "God (Truth, Reality) doesn't know the difference between a man with a million dollars in his pocket and one with 5 cents!"

No matter what conditions you set out to change in your life -- regardless of whether they change or not -- the only thing you are going to win for yourself is the invisible condition you requested at the very instant of your request.

If you request conditional happiness of any kind whatsoever, you will be given the world of conditional happiness at the very instant of your request... and you will be confined and limited (imprisoned, really) by all the ropes and shackles that are inherent in any form of conditional happiness.

See, conditional happiness is a state of consciousness -- a kind of eternal condition that gives rise to many different kinds of human experiences. And the moment you ask life for it, you can be sure you will begin experiencing it instantaneously.

Let’s take the example of someone who wants to manifest a ton of money. That's their request to life for their happiness. And because it's obviously a form of conditional happiness, they enter into the world of conditional happiness the instant they request it. Let's consider some of the experiences that take place inside that world of conditional happiness (no matter what the "object" is you're requesting):

- Surging excitement over the new business idea they come up with to make their millions (this excitement is actually a form of fear)

- Fear that it might not pan out the way they hoped

- Restless nights as they toss and turn working out various possibilities for their new idea

- Frustration with anything that gets in the way of their progress or when something doesn't work out as planned.

- Defeat and depression if some part of their plan fails

- Elation when some part of their plan succeeds

- Feelings of guilt anytime they lose the energy and enthusiasm for their goal

- Glee when their enthusiasm for their goal returns

- Impatience with little things in life that consume the time they could be investing in their project.

- A sense that they are missing out on life because 1) their goal is not yet achieved and 2) their fear of not achieving the goal desensitizes them to the moment-by-moment unfolding that holds the true magic of Real Life.

- Harboring jealousy towards others who "have succeeded" coupled with a sense of fearful hope that their reward is just around the corner.

- Momentary celebration and excitement over achieving their goal.

- The fading of their feeling of specialness once the celebration and excitement subside.

- Frantic searching for explanations or new plans to help restore the sense of power and "specialness" that is now fading.

- Bitterness that after all their work, it seems nothing inside their EXPERIENCE OF LIFE has changed at all.


Sounds a lot like life on planet earth as we've come to know it, doesn't it?

All of these very different experiences are actually contained inside the world of conditional happiness. And anytime I ask Life for something that cannot be found in the present moment, this is the world I've requested... and this is the world I enter and begin experiencing at the precise moment of my request.

Seen in this light doesn't it explain pretty clearly why the fact is that for everything I've won, nothing ever seems to change as far as how I experience my life?

Now, I understand that facts like these is actually a terror to certain parts of ourselves. Don't worry. If they are in fact the truth of the matter, then that truth is far, FAR stronger than the part of myself that drops into fear over it.

If any of this rings true and you want extra help, check the link at the bottom of my signature. I won't lie to you -- it takes years and years to understand all this... but be of good cheer, everything can be explained.
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:14 PM   #46 (permalink)
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You know for sure there is 1 thing I catch from you inquiringmind4u in skimming/reading all your posts

You look like your well on your way to becoming one of the new age sect teachers.. and if you profit from this and like doing it well good for you..
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Danny boy had best answer. Quit seeking shortcuts and just do what you know. I have found blogging and reading about LOA was a resistance my mind offered instead of doing.

BELIEF (as small as a mustard seed). Is the shortcut.

So PAY ATTENTION to synchros. If you talk about green eggs nad ham notice how many TV specials are devoted to that topic that night. Pay attention to what might seem mundane.

Thankfulness is the second shortcut.....
Why visualize tons of other things, when if you just start being grateful for every damn thing (getting fired, car crash, everything), always look on the bright side. You will attract much more to be grateful for (not a bad thing to attract).

The final shortcut I will offer up is
Obsessive affirmations, happy dancing, vision boards....
If your mind is accustomed to dreariness then you must be very proactive to feel joy a larger percentage of every day.
You reap what you sow (someone famous said that. lol)
same person said if you have faith as small as a mustard seed you can say to this mountain move from here to there and it will move.

good-luck
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