Not my Universe...

[Zwynd]

Maybe a rant, mostly for curiosity's sake, somewhat out of sorrow...take this post as you will:

I'm the creator of my world. If I want to see more peace I must become peace. If I want to see more prosperity I must do what I need to do so that I may attain it. (eg, believe it, work towards it, accept it; the same way I would for peace.)

That's a simple enough concept to understand, right?

What if I disliked the world mostly as a whole? What if I disliked this universe?

Say, I want to live on a world where there are living, breathing 20' tall giants. What if I wanted to live where there are Xrobliths running around and aren't yet extinct? How about on a world where I could really connect to it and its people. Maybe I'd want to fall in love with an intelligent plant who could love and speak back with me via deeper signals than can be useable in this current body.

Short of writing a novel about this fantastic place with all these ideals, dreaming, or inventing a game...I can't really create this 'reality' in my lifetime, nor is it likely I could ever align myself to anything even remotely similar to this.

I'll clarify that I don't desire to live with or as a giant, nor do I want to have a pet Xrobith...but what if the something(s) I want to manifest is so 'out there' that it hasn't (as far as I know) been thought up or even reached for?

Then what? I've no clue how to do it.

And I'll note how a while back I started thinking about how we die: We're likely the creators of our worlds and that with each life or series of lives we get to try out a new and exciting multiverse.

However, I also feared that perhaps it really isn't possible; that we're stuck in some type of karma system or multi-tiered 'heaven' that really isn't to our liking. Especially, that our imagination is severely limited and even with all the possibilities of life, the universe could never come close to creating what we could dream up in one lifetime.

So in that fear-filled thought, I made a promise to myself that when I'd die and discover that limitation to it's fullness, I'd do whatever I could to 'tear down' the system. I'd make it so that imagination was never stunted, that we'd never come to boredom or have to live someone else's ideal of anything.

And it's a great thought, but still, I feel that as much as I could dream up, my most wonderful desires will never be fulfilled because the universe is limited to simple things and cannot support my deepest imaginings.

So then what can a person do who likes to dream big? I don't care for money or status or whatever the average human seems to in this life. I crave adventure, I crave exciting things that are completely alien to what I know in this world. I don't want to read about strange things, I want to see them for myself.

I don't want to 'rediscover' this world. Sure there are weird species of insects or plants that could still be discovered. I'm not really interested in that, nor do I want to climb a mountain or skydive or do any other basic ideal of adventure that people do here. It feels old, used, touched and not even close to the things I'd really like to experience.

Any thoughts? Do I sound nutty? Does what I say make you uncomfortable? LoA/Manifestation or whatever you call it...am I not allowed to dream 'big'? Do I have to fit inside a LoA pattern box like everyone else and wish for the basic money, love, success, peace?

And if this even gave you the slightest urge of "Oooh" and familiarity then please post. Even if only those words.

[peroquantosnombres]

Have you read Seth? He says that we exist in 4 different universes simultaniously.. one of them being the dreamworld.

[Wax Frog]

You sound very much like me!

The best source of solace I've come up with so far is to ask, "Would a universe give rise to beings capable of imagining things that could not exist within it?" Nonsense!

(I'm sure this could be reworded more succinctly and clearly, but wordsmithy was never my strongest suit...)

[Zwynd]

peroquantosnombres:

Have you read Seth? He says that we exist in 4 different universes simultaniously.. one of them being the dreamworld.

I have only recently heard of the being called Seth but haven't looked into it. I very much believe that all aspects of my being (dreaming, imagining, 3D physical, etc) are real as they are all part of me that is alive.

What I'm wanting, you see, is to have some of that dream/imagination world to be here in the 3D one so that I can go even further with the imagination/dream worlds.

Wax Frog:

"Would a universe give rise to beings capable of imagining things that could not exist within it?" Nonsense!

Indeed. So then there must be a way. Perhaps it takes a lot of energy/focus to do the things I want and I've just got to be risky by jumping head first. Perhaps I need to say "Yes it can happen" and be really, really open to it.

Have either of you heard of Rob Bryanton's 'Imagining the Tenth Dimension'?

YouTube - Imagining the Tenth Dimension - Rob Bryanton [FULL CLIP]

When I discovered that site a year or so back it hit me that his theory was very close to how I had seen the world as a whole, just not as orderly and pretty as in his video

Looking at it from a simple ordered state, I began to think that if I align myself [my energy and all within] to the 7th dimension, that I could go over to the other 3/4/5 dimensions in another multiverse.

It's been said that we can't -pull- ourselves into a higher dimension, but I don't think it's impossible for something else to pull us there. Whether it's our own higher vibration or the help of others outside of the ones we find ourselves 'trapped' in.

And just recently, I hit upon the solution to the traveling problem I was having for small travels such as within our own star system. Anchors: If one is made over there [wherever that 'there' is], then we can't help BUT to end up over there eventually.

The only problem left is the power of imagination vs this multiverse of potential infinity.

Can it handle people like me who think way outside the box? Do we have to jump through different hoops to get what we want or do we need a completely different method of thinking/working that energy to attain what we want?

LoA and Energy might be the universal norm here but on the other multiverse it could very well be something else like "Z29vobzks" that I need to start working with to align myself to those energies.

Now, it may not actually be harder to align with than someone manifesting a cheeseburger, per se. But, it technically is harder in that I've no clue where/how to really dig in to it.

That's where I'm at. I think it's possible, and I'm working towards it. I -might- be close to figuring it out but I'm still not there yet. And so I get a bit worried that maybe, just maybe, we're stuck in a very limited world where we'll never even see 5% of our imaginings [in just one life] come to pass.

Now that is a very saddening thing. =(

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

Have either of you heard of Rob Bryanton's 'Imagining the Tenth Dimension'?

Not 'til just now

I've spent too much of my time torturing myself with unpleasant what-if scenarios. I'm going to assume the best from now on. If the materialists are right, and if the result is that I only immerse myself in delusion, so what? As long as it seems real to me I still "win"

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Not 'til just now

I've spent too much of my time torturing myself with unpleasant what-if scenarios. I'm going to assume the best from now on. If the materialists are right, and if the result is that I only immerse myself in delusion, so what? As long as it seems real to me I still "win"

I had to cackle at that last remark. I too have thought that. Imagine if the purpose of life was to just...imagine and create?

Man, we've got them beat by a long shot.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

I had to cackle at that last remark. I too have thought that. Imagine if the purpose of life was to just...imagine and create?

Man, we've got them beat by a long shot.

That would be pretty funny; all those PhDs howling in horror when they find out the stuffy scholarly stuff was never of the greatest interest to the "judges"

[mej023]

Whatever you desire the universe can provide.

Perhaps the things that you desire do not exist on this world.


They may exist on some other world. All you have to do is transition back to source (i.e., croak) and then go to that world that contains the things that you desire.

Remember, you agreed to the rules here when you chose to become a deliberate creator in this particular physical reality.

Be happy and also remember that you never get it done so enjoy the ride.

[thefictionxwelive]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

And if this even gave you the slightest urge of "Oooh" and familiarity then please post. Even if only those words.

Well, I have to say I agree with just about all of it except for the fear. I do not believe our imagination is limited by a universe that cannot keep up with it. The universe is a tool for us to create our worlds.
Soon enough, our ideals will be reality. The only question is how many lifetimes it will take to truly understand that.

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by mej023

Whatever you desire the universe can provide.

That's what I'm aiming for. *nods*

Perhaps the things that you desire do not exist on this world.

I'm quite certain most of it doesn't. But it's not this world's fault, nor mine.

I'm sure this world is only a template, however. It's time to deviate from it.

They may exist on some other world. All you have to do is transition back to source (i.e., croak) and then go to that world that contains the things that you desire.

Except I'd like to attain what I want in this life without croaking. I'm here, I might as well do what I can to get it, right? Who says I'm not supposed to be the person who DOES change their physical reality in 'strange' ways -while- alive?

Remember, you agreed to the rules here when you chose to become a deliberate creator in this particular physical reality.

I don't sign anything unless I believe has a benefit to my growth as a whole.

So then, if I was to sign some rule list (what is the list, btw? I'd like to see your version of it...) that said I had to behave, then these 'rules' were made to be broken and maybe I'm the person to do it; If there is some 'higher' source getting everyone to sign contracts then they were damn well aware that I was going to go against it.

And if so, then they really shouldn't have let me incarnate here in the first place.

Imo, the 'rules' way of thinking is very limited and only causes us as 3D-focused beings to 'justify' that not everything is possible. If everything is possible, then even the most outlandish idea should be attainable.

I know I toss on whether it is or isn't possible, but in my heart I know it's got to be real. And so, I try.

Be happy and also remember that you never get it done so enjoy the ride.

I am happy! And I WILL get what I seek done but there will be so many more things after I'm done with that, that I'll keep striving for more.

See where I'm going?

[Zwynd]

Thank you, thefictionxwelive for your thoughts. It would be a sad existence if we lived in a multiverse that had a limitation. *nod*

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by mej023

Remember, you agreed to the rules here when you chose to become a deliberate creator in this particular physical reality.

As I've said before, I'd like to have a nice long chat with my Higher Self, or whatever it is, about why it/I/we chose this particular, in some ways lame, existence. Just askin'...

Originally Posted by Zwynd

If there is some 'higher' source getting everyone to sign contracts then they were damn well aware that I was going to go against it.

And if so, then they really shouldn't have let me incarnate here in the first place.

YES!!!! EXACTLY!!!

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

As I've said before, I'd like to have a nice long chat with my Higher Self, or whatever it is, about why it/I/we chose this particular, in some ways lame, existence. Just askin'...

Maybe you can answer it yourself: by appreciating everything until you can exclaim "why of course I would want to live in this reality! This is the best place that I can imagine to be!"

Don't ask me how... I'm not "there yet"

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Don't ask me how... I'm not "there yet"

[Waxy shares a nice, dry laugh with his favorite Peredhil]

[thefictionxwelive]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

Thank you, thefictionxwelive for your thoughts. It would be a sad existence if we lived in a multiverse that had a limitation. *nod*

I simply believe everything is possible.
It's all how you understand it. Say you want to fly. Well, it would seem 'impossible' in this world for a person to just go jump off their roof and fly, right? Maybe not. Maybe there are people who can, because they really believed they could and found a way. Or maybe it isn't possible in this plane, so you must find a way to another one.
Either way, everything is possible somewhere.


-Pan

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by thefictionxwelive

Either way, everything is possible somewhere.


-Pan

Somewhere... *nods*

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

Somewhere... *nods*

If my thoughts are real, and I can imagine my Jreh-jreh*'T beating up Zwynd's Xrobith , then they are real as well. I just need to know how to get them out of my head by a vehicle other than art media (which inhabit the 'reality scale' as well, I might add)...

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

If my thoughts are real, and I can imagine my Jreh-jreh*'T beating up Zwynd's Xrobith , then they are real as well.

Bah! My Xrobith can beat up your Jreh-jreh*'T any day of the week. =P

I just need to know how to get them out of my head by a vehicle other than art media (which inhabit the 'reality scale' as well, I might add)...

I used to worry that by immersing myself in 'fantasy' (such as video games, reading, writing about them, etc) that my mind/higher self sees my 'lower self' is sated and therefore will no longer try to attain my harder-to-reach desires.

On the other hand, I realized that if I broke away from thoughts outside the norm then aside from living a pretty dull human life, I'd have no idea how far I could imagine and therefore could not attain as much as I normally would.

In that sense, I'd rather take the chance of living small pieces of a 'fantasy' life in some of those realities (dream, imagination) than push all of it out in hopes for one BIG and new reality, which may never happen.

[Lenie]

I like the way you think, Zwynd.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

Bah! My Xrobith can beat up your Jreh-jreh*'T any day of the week. =P

Any doubts we're cut from the same cloth would evaporate if we ever got into a my-alien-pet-is-bigger/badder/more lethal-than-yours contest

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Any doubts we're cut from the same cloth would evaporate if we ever got into a my-alien-pet-is-bigger/badder/more lethal-than-yours contest

Ehehehehe.

But you know, in the end we'd both win. In your split-off of the multi-dimensionalness of Being your pet would have eaten mine and mine would have yours in my own split-off. Which has already happen in some ways, if you could count the realm of imagination.

Btw, my Xrobith says your Jreh-jreh*'T tastes like chicken.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

Btw, my Xrobith says your Jreh-jreh*'T tastes like chicken.

I want my Xrobith back, Xrobith back, Xrobith back ribs!

Mmm, slow-smoked, falling-off-the-Nylxth tender...

[Zwynd]

Ahahaha. That made me laugh so hard I had tears.

On a side note, I actually met a creature in my dreams last night that looked like the Xrobith I had initially imagined.

*pondering* It actually looked like it could be BBQ'd well, though you'd need a big grill.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

*pondering* It actually looked like it could be BBQ'd well, though you'd need a big grill.

[Zwynd]

That's nice. I was thinking more along the lines of this though...

Uruguay hosts world's biggest barbie - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)



Well okay it's not that huge. Actually I think they would be about the size of a Carnotosaurid; the one that I met last night was a juvenile so it was roughly the length of a Dienonychus.

Btw, I'm not really a meat eater but all this talk of BBQing is making me hungry!

[Wax Frog]

This is my punishment for not doing a thorough enough search

[Zwynd]

Hah, at the time I was actually wondering where you found that BBQ and thought to myself as I came across that link, "Why didn't Frog link THIS?!"

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As an update though to my OP (I love this derail, btw), I think I'm getting closer to why I find myself HERE and not THERE.

I was pursuing other threads today and one in particular spoke much on fear and lack. I like where I am, but it does not mean I want to stay living where I am. The only fear I have is going back to where I used to live (though I don't actually fear I'll go back there, just would terribly hate it if I found myself there again.)

Even with using anchors and creative visualizations I'd still need to find a way to suggest to myself that, "Hey, it'd be cool to live THERE in that place I like" but not focus so much on it being there to begin with.

And with fear/lack aside, it boils down to what I really need. I don't NEED to go there to be alive and well, but if I could find a way to make it so that my spiritual growth would double if I was there...then wouldn't my higher self do what it could to send me there?

I'm quite sure that was the final straw to get me in the location I am today so it's got to be one of the last keys. I would then guess that I have to sit down and list the pros of why it'd be so beneficial to me, not just for fun, but for holistic growth.

Does this make sense at all?

[Jamie Riley]

*jaw drops*

Wow.

This is absolutely 110% (well 100%) how I feel. Reading this feels so empowering, so uplifting... it's so great seeing people who want to buck the system in a unique way like this. The Dumb Rules of Reincarnation is one of my pet fears, but I'm pretty sure I'm over it now. Not only that, but love is one of my many motivations for wanting to try. I just wish there were more people like us. It might be too late to expect a reply now, but this post is absolutely epic. *thumbs up*!

[Mynder]

I -might- be close to figuring it out but I'm still not there yet. And so I get a bit worried that maybe, just maybe, we're stuck in a very limited world where we'll never even see 5% of our imaginings [in just one life] come to pass.

These limits are here for a reason. These limits are here to be experienced, and we all chose to be here despite or even BECAUSE OF these limits. So whatever your reason for being here, the "rules" of our world are something you willingly accepted or even cherished when coming here for what they would allow you to experience (for example the inner struggle you are now going through).

Whatever you can create in your mind as imagery springs to life in some way, in some dimension/place. So if you wish, after this life (or in a dream which may simply be another life created by your nonphysical higher being in another dimension, allowing you to "glimpse" it in your dreams), you can experience whatever fantasy you had in this life to the fullest extent you can imagine.

This life, when seen from a place where time does not have the same meaning, is not as long as it seems to us. Enjoy what you have here, and keep dreaming!

[themaster]

Wow, you want what I want

Mynder is correct in death we do get all the options re-opened.. but unlike him I don't believe we can't change the rules or accept them.. I believe we can.. did I say it was easy no?

It's not to say that we humans haven't been dreaming of taking our power back for a long time.. it's why we have so many ideas about it.. least in my reality

Here's a description I came up with for taking or perhaps the better word is allowing power back

Shaman definition: Ability to turn lead to gold Ability to place hand through wall, ability's to remove limitations in current universe/create new universe with allowance, ability to transcend current reality beliefs/structures and create instant manifestation with specifics

One easy way to get into higher dimensions is to take certain drugs that raise your dimensional awareness.. per my teacher Another way to transcend this reality is to become like a crazy person.. not really here anymore.. there reflection that we label "crazy" is actually not really here.. they are travelling or shall we say not in the normal rules and agreements of this physical reality..