My uncle got cancer.Am i responsible?

[Jack]

Some people may remember my topic which was "If my uncle gets cancer,am i responsible for it?"(it was a few months ago i think)

The interesting thing is,a few weeks ago we learned that my uncle has cancer.Did i manifest it or influence him?

[Angela]

You are responsible for your response to this news, but it's not your "fault."

Best wishes for healing and vitality to your uncle.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Well actually Angela, in terms of subjective reality, he is responsible.

In an objective reality, the standard model we have come to believe, external events such as Cancer, plane crashes, Alzheimers etc...etc...are considered uncontrollable to a massive degree, Richard Dawkins would have you believe this, as would Christopher Hitchens and 99% of the planets population.

However, in Steve's proposed Subjective Reality then your uncle is actually a part of consciousness and therefore represents a projection - and manifestation - of your conscious or unconscious will. So in SR, yes you are responsible, you are responsible for the sunrise and sunset, the fall of a sparrow and the meow of a cat, the crashing of a plane, the raping of a child, the incredible tasting Wine you just bought and everything in between, its all you, all manifestations of your consciousness.

Now if that scares you, run on home to OR and live a normal, happy, blameless (mostly) life. However if you feel like taking some control, or having a more fulfilling (and certainly more interesting) life, then think about SR, don't just think about the bad stuff thats happened, but think about all the good things that you have created, and most of all meditate on your Uncles Cancer, what does that reflect about the state of your consciousness, really think and try and understand.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Jack

Some people may remember my topic which was "If my uncle gets cancer,am i responsible for it?"(it was a few months ago i think)

The interesting thing is,a few weeks ago we learned that my uncle has cancer.Did i manifest it or influence him?

You are only responsible for those things within your conscious control and for the way you react to them.

For example, if I took my kids out on a day trip, and one of them got hurt while I was having a beer at the bar, I would feel responsible. If another parent with kids went by and one of them was hurt, I would not feel responsible. However, that does not mean I would not stop to help.

You would only be responsible for you uncle’s cancer if you had deliberately caused it, e.g. by exposing him to high doses of radiation (I’m assuming you don’t work for the KGB!) with the intent of bringing on the illness, or forcing him to smoke 60 cigarettes a day for 30 years!

There are a lot of things in life beyond our conscious control. What our consciousness is experiencing is just the tip of the iceberg. I think it’s enough to try and be responsible for those things we actually can control.

I don't believe you manifested your uncle's illness as I don't subscribe to the LoA model. Based on the frequencies model, I would say you are experiencing the interpreted frequencies of his being in a shared pool of inter-connected frequencies (reality).

However, it is also possible that on a deeper, spiritual level, below your conscious knowledge, there is some kind of agreement between you (and other family members/loved ones) that this is the way things were meant to be.

[Angela]

Akashic, I think what you meant to say is, "actually, Angela, his consciousness DID create this" because I had already said he's responsible, but not at fault. Even in subjective reality, 100% responsibility for creation and being at fault are two different things.

Actually, Akashic, in subjective reality, YOU created this scenario. So you are responsible, as well. (me, too.)

I wasn't necessarily talking about Subjective Reality, though, as Jack didn't ask about that. What Jack asked, and what I take responsibility for, is if he manifested or influenced this situation. What I hear in that question is a guy who is hurting about his uncle's illness, and worried that he might have played a part in it. Subjective reality was not the most empowering perspective to use in my response, as I see it. It's just a lens, remember, and not the only one.

Jack, again, my heart goes to your uncle and I wish him vitality.

[Tigerlilly]

How about this explanation: When you used it here as an example, maybe on a subconscious soul level you knew that your uncle had cancer or would develop cancer soon, and that's why the thought popped up in your conscious mind. Just cause something is true or becomes true it doesn't prove you caused it.

[moonrambler]

This is an interesting and difficult topic which is the sort of thing postulated by skeptics: If we take responsibility for the good coincidences, then how can we avoid taking responsibility for the bad ones?

When somebody starts a topic, "If someone gives my aunt sparkly dolphin earrings after all this talk on the forum about sparkly dolphins, am I responsible for it?" wouldn't we tend to say yeah, you created that somehow, and think how cool it is?

On the other hand, what's the aunt's part in this, and the giver's part in this?

And what if the aunt got killed in a car accident with a Delorean?

For positive things, I've been surprised sometimes how I can just fling a wish into the ether and *poof* it comes true like magic.

A couple times I have flung a very nasty wish into the ether and they also came true, but then I want to think it's coincidence.

We are taught that words are powerful. So I'm careful not to yell at my cat, "I don't ever want to hear that constant begging from you ever again!"

How do we deal with these situations? Jack is asking an important question.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

How do we deal with these situations? Jack is asking an important question.

I think so, too. And whatever has happened, the only place you have any power is now. Fretting about what you may or may not have created in your uncle's life is not taking responsibility; it's creating more dis-ease right now. For that, it's worth taking responsibility. "What am I creating right now in my uncle's (or Jack's) life? What feedback am I getting, and what is my next right action for going towards what I desire?"

So if I were Jack, I'd be asking myself, who could I be in generating the vitality (or whatever it is) I would love for my uncle to have? What am I willing to generate, right here in this moment, that would make a difference for myself, my uncle, and the world if I were generating it?

[moonrambler]

Personally I think Jack is off the hook because there was no intention behind his original posting, the "what if" one. When we think of the amount of times we might have asked "what if this or that" in our lifetimes and hardly any of it ever happens, well then.

And I'm not so sure Jack could create such a situation for another person, because we seem to be in a large consensus that you can't, for instance, attract a particular romantic partner by IM, because that particular person has their own agenda. Looked at the situation this way, it would mean the uncle attracted a disease for a reason, and Jack attracted a situation in his life where a close relative contracted a disease, but then everybody is working together on some karmic level.

I also tend to think Tigerlilly might have something there, about how Jack might have intuited this situation before he knew about it for real.

This sure is not Metaphysics 101. It's grad level.