There is No Objective Reality

[mercuryrising]

At least once a week it seems there is someone who comes on this forum and asks people to objectively prove that LOA works. These individuals subscribe to a philosophy in which anything that isn't logical simply doesn't exist. I think this philosophy expresses an underlying fear of the unknown. It's why these people sound so arrogant on many occasions: they are sticking to what they think they know.

To those individuals, I would like to put the burden of proof on you. Please prove to me that there is an objective reality. I don't think there is. In order for an object to exist, there must be a subject to perceive it. And that subject maintains a particular limited viewpoint. Therefore, an object only exists in subjective reality.

This is how manifestation works, btw. Consciousness precedes object. There is no spoon until I perceive a spoon. So, yes, we are creating everything in our reality.

Thanks and good luck.

[wolfgang]

Do we really believe this?

Do we believe there's not objective reality or just like the idea and toss it around?

What would it do to our experience to believe there's no objective reality?

I do like the idea of no objective reality, it kind of makes sense. Everything exists in relationship to everything. Nothing exists all by itself. There is no seen thing without a seer seeing it. There is no seer without that which can be seen. But, what does that do to my daily experience. What benefit or viewpoint or progress in any area of my life does a belief in pure subjective reality give me? Where pure subjectiveness is also oneness. That it's all one, entangled.

Something tells me it could be huge but it's actually a hard thing to believe other than as thought experiment or thinking about it.

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

At least once a week it seems there is someone who comes on this forum and asks people to objectively prove that LOA works. These individuals subscribe to a philosophy in which anything that isn't logical simply doesn't exist. I think this philosophy expresses an underlying fear of the unknown. It's why these people sound so arrogant on many occasions: they are sticking to what they think they know.

To those individuals, I would like to put the burden of proof on you. Please prove to me that there is an objective reality. I don't think there is. In order for an object to exist, there must be a subject to perceive it. And that subject maintains a particular limited viewpoint. Therefore, an object only exists in subjective reality.

This is how manifestation works, btw. Consciousness precedes object. There is no spoon until I perceive a spoon. So, yes, we are creating everything in our reality.

Thanks and good luck.

Just throwing it out there but that's what you think you know also. So I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think...just let them be.

[wolfgang]

To prove there's an objective reality and it failing to be provable would support believing in subjective reality, right? So, even some one wanting to believe in oneness or non-objectiveness could try to prove objective reality.

[Acting Like Godot]

Suppose the question is - Does X have an objective reality?

Here's a handy ALG rule of thumb. Whatever X may be, if a grasshopper, a bat, a dog and a human being would perceive X differently, then X has no objective reality.

Another way to put it is that X may possibly have an objective reality, but the objective reality is unknowable. That's because the very process of knowing is a subjective one.

For example, whatever you know of X through your senses, depends on those senses. Do you happen to see like a grasshopper; smell like a dog; echolocate like a bat, or what? The reality of X, to you, then changes accordingly.

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Something tells me it could be huge but it's actually a hard thing to believe other than as thought experiment or thinking about it.

Take it beyond thought or belief to experience. The experience has a profound effect on one's life. It comes about when pursuing the question, "Who am I?"

Intellectually, you could come up with several answers to that question. Try going before the question enters your mind. There is this space right before a thought manifests. Explore that space. See what happens.

Don't believe me and try not to construct any thought systems related to the non-existence of objective reality. Forget about all that. I'm pointing to something more intrinsic to your line of questions recently.

Keep in mind, I'm just pointing. I'm nothing special.

Namaste

[Power]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Do we believe there's not objective reality or just like the idea and toss it around?

What would it do to our experience to believe there's no objective reality?

.... But, what does that do to my daily experience. What benefit or viewpoint or progress in any area of my life does a belief in pure subjective reality give me?

Something tells me it could be huge but it's actually a hard thing to believe other than as thought experiment or thinking about it.

I fully believe that there is no objective reality and that it is pure subjective reality. I don't believe that through blindfaith. When reading about Chaos Theory, Multi-dimensional universe(10th dimension), Quantum physics, etc... I have arrived at a conclusion that all the informations I've studied have come into alignment and leaves no gap. It's hard for me to believe that there is an objective reality.

What does this belief do to my daily life experience? Detachment from the materialistic world because I know that it all depends on how I perceive things. Slighty more control rather than being a reflex action to the cause and effect of the environment.

Don't need a major experiment to prove objectivity & subjectivity, its part of everyday life. If everyone on this planet was colour blind (orange/red), the colour red would not exist.

Anything objective will always be a subjective experience to us humans. Can a subjective thought be simply subjective and that the theory of reality being subjective maybe a subjective idea also?.... Yes.... so we still arrive at the same spot that life is just a big subjective illusion.

[Trezker]

I believe everything is logical. Especially so when you detach from objective reality. I find Subjective reality is much more logical, I have so far been unable to see how everything was created in a purely objective reality.

There no such thing as "this does not make sense" there is only "I am currently unable to see how this makes sense". Everything must make sense, otherwise it would not exist. Whether we can make sense of it does not matter.

I'd like to see anyone prove that physical matter exists. Sure I have experienced the concept all my life and it is very interesting to interact with. But is it real? That's impossible to prove.