Do Drugs Sabotage LOA?

[JonathanBrowne]

Does anyone have any insights into the effect of drugs on ones powers of intention manifestation? I'm starting to think using drugs, especially somewhat habitually, hurts ones ability to manifest what you want out of life.

I've been trying for over a year now to apply the secret and I think the main thing holding me back is my addiction to tobacco and my somewhat frequent use of marijuana.

I think if I stayed sober of all drugs and got more rest my vibrations might become much more in synched to abundance.

Has anyone quit drugs and noticed a change in their ability to manifest what they want out of life?

[Anna Conlan]

Drugs change and damage the quality of your energy field. When you are using drugs, you are effectively opening up your energy field to anything and your energetic protection fails - it's like leaving the front door of your house open and not caring who comes in. This leaves you highly vulnerable to negative influences that can interfere with you and even attach to you if you allow it.

If you are attracting negativity and it's attaching to you (and most drug users have negativity present in their energy), then it will become part of your energetic 'signature' that you emit to the universe and you attract according to this signature – what you give out, you get back.

In addition, drugs can damage your energy body, which means that a part of your vital life force can leak away. So the energy you might otherwise have at your disposal to manifest is being lost.

For these reasons, it's much more difficult to create positive changes in your life if you use drugs.

[moonrambler]

I'm reading Wayne Dyer's book "The Power of Intention" and he states that early on in his PD writing/speaking career, he realized he would need to quit drinking alcohol altogether in order to do the type of work he wanted to.

[sleon]

ALG and others, do you think there's applicability in this idea to other substances such as sugar/refined carbohydrates? Just on a physical basis, my mind has cleared up hugely and ability to concentrate has increased by leaps and bounds since I stopped sugar a month ago. What are the energy implications over over-indulgence in sugar?

[JonathanBrowne]

Yeah that's what i'm starting to think. I think I need to eliminate all drugs use to really see the results of my intentions skyrocket. I wonder if in a highly controlled environment opening yourself up energetically can be beneficial?

The only problem I have with this is it's really hard to eliminate drug use altogether, especially ciggeretes. However perhaps this kind of discipline and self control needs to be cultivated in the first place to be successful.

hmmm

Anyone have experience with stopping drug usage and seeing great results in their life?

[mercuryrising]

I quit smoking pot almost two years ago. I smoked weed like a drunk would drink. It took about three months after I quit to really 'come out of the fog'. It was difficult for me because I enjoyed getting high and all of my friends were stoners. But it was really messing with my emotions and my overall perception of things... kind of like I was stuck being 16 years old. I miss some of my friends, none of whom I see any more.

I don't think you need to become stone cold sober all the time for intention to work (it works anyway). There are times when an altered state of perception can give you insight into what is going on in your life. The addiction is the problem when it comes to intention. Wherever your attention is, that's where you are going to go. And if your attention is on a drug, you are liable to find yourself in some places you wouldn't want to be physically, mentally, and spiritually. Not to mention the money you're throwing away. Just make sure it doesn't own you is all I would say.

I still smoke cigarettes, albeit since my job went non-smoking, not much any more. Someone suggested to me I try natural cigarettes, like the kind you roll. I found those to really cut down on the craving. With pot, I guess it depends on whether you want to quit or not. If you do, just quit. Cutting back never worked for me. If you don't, but you want to maintain some independence from it I would recommend consciously refusing it when its offered at times or picking a certain time and place where it's ok. That way you can maintain some control, but still partake when you feel like it.

BTW, your experience with addiction can help you in a way. You have some idea of what it's like to go through any means to get something. If you applied that same tenacity in other areas of your life, you could be/do/have just about anything you want. My life is totally different now. To most people it might look like a normal life. Considering where I started, it's nothing short of a miracle to me. What a long strange trip its been

[dave marshall]

hi,

for me it is about coming back to as natural a state as possible and that, for me, means being healthy in the way that feels good, to me. I accept, feel strongly that in my most natural state (whatever that may be) then my powers of creativity will be at their best.

Dave

[bluesharpist101]

IMO it depends on the person, for some people, drugs can mess them up, for others, they can gain a lot of insight from an altered state of concoiussness. Personally, I smoke Maijuana a little more than weekly, but honestly have found it to help me learn, and go into a deeper state of conscioussness.

[Dan.Linehan]

Marijuana definitely sabotaged my ambition and emotional well-being while I was smoking it. I've been much happier since I quit.

[Lil Chris]

I wounder though... Out of all the drugs Marijuana is the only one that is pure, meaning there is no alteration other than drying it out to smoke (no processing like alcohol, coke, acid or heroin etc...) nothing is added to it.

I would like to think nature knows what it's doing by providing it, perhaps we're not using it properly. Could it be possible that it has some underlying qualities we're not aware of. It has been used by many many cultures in the past, I imagine not the way we utilize it to "just get high" but more along the lines of a spiritual thing...

It sounds like bluesharpist101 is using it properly... I too could learn things really quickly when high (when smoking Marijuana). I do agree also that it's not for everybody... But does have benefits...

[LoveFreedom]

There was an experiment conducted a while ago where psychologists gave mind altering drug to native american indians and anglo saxon americans. The first group reported having most fantasticly uplifting spiritual experiences while the latter group reported having most terribly frightening experiences. (this was a while ago when ethics comittees used to approv these kind of experiments).

I suppose this says a lot about how beliefs (especially unconscious ones derived socially and developmentally) affect our emotional responses and experiences.

On the other hand, if you search raw food forums, a lot of people there experiences hightened sense of sprirituality and great emotional calmness once they start eating raw. So maybe sugar ad processed foods, including fried fats and charcoaled meats are doing something to the body that is hard to resist with positive though alone.

[LoveFreedom]

this may be of interest, even though it deals with addiction...

Abraham-Hicks Quarterly Journal

[Acting Like Godot]

You could do it the Steve Pavlina way - try any of the approaches for 30 days, and see how it goes.

[bluesharpist101]

In addition to what i said earlier, and to agree with LoveFreedom, its about how you view the drugs. Which ulimately is what IM is, I am currently holding the belief that drugs can help me develope spirittually, and therefore that is true.
I feel that really it comes down to the user, while some people do it purely to get high, which would leave you with the feeling of wanting to be high more, others can use it to then get the most while they are not high.

[dave marshall]

it depends on what you want to experience and why, also depends upon your ideas about drugs, etc. Your beleifs, as we know, and not really the drugs, will create the experience,

dave

[Protein]

I dont use to smoke joints,weed.. but sometimes, yes , and when I start doing that, I spend some time overthinking everything, if I am feeling good,if that image in my mind didnt want it,etc. The bad stuff affects you more when you are high, thats what I think,and for me its been somehow bad, because I pass from the point "i dont wanna smoke anything" to the point "well, try to enjoy, I can still be feeling that I am capable of all the things that I intended". And the conflict comes. If you feel good smoking weed, and keeping your intentions hard, and good image about yourself,then nothing its gonna happen. But for some people is difficult to control. Me for instance .

[wolfgang]

I would say the behavior around drug use, the addiction, is the very thing that gets in the way of IMing. Because it's said if you are desiring something and doing some IM exercise - if that carries that same feeling of being an addict - then the vibe is of grasping and attachment and really wanting something and needing it badly to feel whole.

That addictions have the mind set of wanting something because one doesn't feel complete. Addictions are ways to try to feel whole. And then some find LoA and approach it this way too - that it is what will make one feel whole. Well, one of the precepts for IM is to feel whole already with gratitude. If one is wrapped up in addictions, how does one feel whole?

The LoA stuff talks about asking as being a state of feeling already complete. Doing something with a feeling of lack in the vibe does not actually cause a manifestation of filling in this lack. So they say...

[Lauxa]

IMHO...

Yes, if you have the mindset of feeling like you need the drugs to be happy and/or guilt from using the drugs.

No, if you have the mindset of appreciating/enjoying the drugs when you have them and not beating yourself up later for using them.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Lauxa

IMHO...

Yes, if you have the mindset of feeling like you need the drugs to be happy and/or guilt from using the drugs.

No, if you have the mindset of appreciating/enjoying the drugs when you have them and not beating yourself up later for using them.

How many people take drugs without the addiction mindset? Drugs alter you and that is the seeking of feeling full of life. I don't see how taking drugs is ever addiction free.

If someone thinks they are just appreciating/enjoying their drug use - they are deluded, in denial of an issue in their life that makes them want to use drugs. imho

[Protein]

I think that a simple joint(weed) is as a glass of whisky, or better. But illegal, thats the difference that make people think its a hard drug. It is if you take it too much, as alcohol. But its not lsd,or cocaine,speed.That stuff really violently changes you(to the point you cant control your thoughts).And in my opinion, thats what matters.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Protein

I think that a simple joint(weed) is as a glass of whisky, or better. But illegal, thats the difference that make people think its a hard drug. It is if you take it too much, as alcohol.

But what is a joint or a glass of whisky - or why do people go for inebriation? My take is we do it because we are missing some feeling of fullness. Even the little bits of these substances is a form of seeking that fullness. Instead of actually looking for wholeness, we inebriate ourselves and forget that we are looking for wholeness. Now, there would be degrees to this - so maybe a little bit here and there just slows one down as far as doing IM. That to be seeking fullness and wholeness is the state IM needs. So if someone gets fullness from an external source, maybe that supports thinking they are whole when they are not and leads to a false sense of the state IM works from.

But its not lsd,or cocaine,speed.That stuff really violently changes you(to the point you cant control your thoughts).And in my opinion, thats what matters.

These would be at a higher degree of mucking with your vibe - I'd agree. And also be more difficult to operate intentions from since they are more addictive which makes one have the addiction vibe of thinking the substance makes you whole. imho.

[Protein]

I said that because I have seen many cases during my life, about people who take some drugs sometimes(weed,alcohol) and they are successful, or really succesful in life. For example, in my case it hurted me emotionally many times,and others, I thought I was controlling. And I understand what you say, I think you are totally right. thanks

[ming]

Hash is not good as it does no encourage dynamism, it slows you down.
I am not a drug fun neither i can afford it but i suggest you trying mescalina, , peyote, used in shamanism for out of reality experiences, in Europe magic mushrooms, LSD. Have fun.

[mej023]

You can be high and still attract.

Back when I used to get high, I attracted a lot of pizza.

That is kind of how LOA works. Just pretend you are on the phone ordering your pizza (extra cheese and hold the anchovies).

See how it works?

1. The universe shows you contrast ( Pizza commercials on TV ).

2. You desire ( Pizza! ).

3. You take inspired action ( Call in your order now ).

4. You wait expectantly,

and within minutes - you are enjoying a hot pizza.

Don't forget to tip generously.

You have to make the decision.

AND.... one of the most important things,

Stop resisting!

[themaster]

Having never tried drugs in this time space reality I cannot say.. (though I have tried one form of prescription drugs) Abraham would refer to drugs helping people become well as "letting it in"

And in addition there is much information from others about drugs helping to do "out of body experiences" and checking out other planes/levels of existence (of course there appears to be specific drugs for this) As I recall reading the channeled entity "Seth" said there was a great one to be found in Africa.. not sure if it's been found yet

[danman85]

Marijuana was a great help to me when I began exploring IM and other things of the like, and that was nice because I'm an expert when it comes to that drug. So, I got to the point where I felt like I needed to smoke to meditate, or to clear my mind to focus on something. Usually, I end up just sitting around watching tv eating junk food, getting very depressed, and then going and getting some beer and cigarettes. I realized I could be turning into an alcoholic-pothead (As opposed to just a pothead) a few days ago, when I got drunk in the middle of the day, passed out and my whole family (doggie included) couldn't wake me up for dinner. I had quit cigarettes the day before that happened, I quit drinking that next day, and I quit smoking pot today (one day strong!). My manifesting abilities have already soared. I found a book that I have been hoping to find for a while, and I also manifested something that I have been looking for for over a year (a program to help me add effects to a song I wrote a few years ago), and that's just today! It's hard though, it's early evening (load-up time for me), and I would love to call a friend and hang out but I can't. The willpower boost from quitting is what is enabling me to manifest more, and I have to respect that if I want to continue. I will probably partake of the alcohol and pot once again (socially), but I would like to completely take it away for a little while to see what happens.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by themaster

Having never tried drugs in this time space reality I cannot say.. (though I have tried one form of prescription drugs) Abraham would refer to drugs helping people become well as "letting it in"

"letting it in" meaning feeling good, which is everyones motivation for any action, according to them. Though it helps you feel good, it also "broadens" your consciousness: you become less focused and can be less deliberate. That's the rub as far as they are concerned with cannabis. You incarnated here in order to focus and be deliberate, not to broaden your consciousness back into the ether (which is contrary to many peoples beliefs, but what the heck).

But of course, they aren't really judgemental about anything and would recommend anything that makes you feel good.

[aKarma]

My dear friends,

Do not blame the drugs...blame the drug-users.

Nature has provided us with some very interesting tools to explore higher states of consciousness...the following drugs - in fact, the word 'plants' is a more suitable substitute - will help you learn all that you need about the spiritual world:

Cannabis - Opens the heart and throat chakra, acts as an ideal building block for pranayama, teaches you how to attain a state of perpetual bliss, enhances your senses, and brings you closer to the Here and Now

Psilocybin Mushrooms - Opens the ajna chakra (third eye), develops your visualization and imagination, improves your psychic abilities, acts as an ideal building block for dhyana, and helps you communicate with spiritual entities

Salvia Divinorum - Opens the crown chakra, aids you in astral projection, takes you out of the body, acts as an ideal building block for samadhi, and enables you to communicate with higher spiritual entities (even God) ----- the beauty about this one is that it is still legal


These three little guides must be treated with the utmost respect...they are a gift of nature to man...if you decide to experiment with them, make sure it is done in the right 'set and setting' : meaning your intentions and aspirations should be honest...and preferably in the presence of a spiritual master who has already used them.

Drugs synthesized by man should be avoided at all costs...and careful research must be conducted regarding the quality of these plants. Each of these plants has a very important lesson to teach us. Your goal should be to internalize the experience of these plants...once you have mastered it, you will no longer need them.

Do remember, all you need to get high is oxygen...once you start breathing normally with the aid of cannabis, you will no longer need it...only a simple deep breath will make you high.

Once again my dear friends, do not blame these plants...blame the ones who abuse them.