Testing IM via PayPal

[Radical]

Do you think it would be a good idea to set up a PayPal account, and then put it on a website/blog and intend for people to send you donations, in order to test if IM works?

[andrew]

Honestly, no.

I don't think people are just going to throw money at you blind without a cause, reason, or meaning. I don't beleive that's IM or LoA at all. Just sitting around waiting for it isn't going to do anything; it's a two way deal.

[Steve Pavlina]

If your goal is to test IM to see if it works, then you're basically conducting a test of your own skepticism. Your test will succeed in the sense that you will "prove" your own skepticism accurate because that's your true underlying intention. Unfortunately this also means your PayPal account will remain largely empty.

You can't cheat IM by pretending to believe it works while your underlying skepticism says it cannot possibly work. Your intentions won't be congruent. If you don't genuinely believe IM works, at best you'll manifest a weak alpha reflection, but the beta reflection will never show up.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

You can't cheat IM by pretending to believe it works while you underlying skepticism says it cannot possibly work. Your intentions won't be congruent.

Steve, pretending can work if you are able to suspend your skepticism.

By analogy, you can watch a horror movie and feel thoroughly frightened, even though intellectually you know that those are actors and they have silly monster masks on, and what you're watching is flashing images on a movie screen. What's happening is that you have temporarily suspended your disbelief.

As a bizarre example of how powerful IM can be, there have been split-personality psychiatric cases, where for instance a 15-year-old girl may completely believe that she is a diabetic 65-year-old woman. When she is in that mode, her body actually becomes diabetic and her sugar levels shoot up and she needs insulin or she will die. When she reverts to her 15-year-old self, it takes about half an hour for all traces of diabetic symptoms to vanish from her body.

[impaul99]

I agree with Steve on this one. The thing to remember is that you are ALWAYS manifesting. It happens on a subconscious level. Think of your subconscious mind like a piece of software. Let say it runs 40,000 thoughts per second and they sound something like this:

"Money doesn't grow on trees."
"A penny saved is a penny earned."
"There's no such thing as a get rich quick scheme that actually works."
"If it stounds too good to be true, it probably is."
"You never get something for nothing."
"There's only so much to go around."
etc.

And in between all these thoughts that are constantly running through your head you try to interject:
"If this LoA thing actually works, I want to see proof by getting money sent to my PayPal account I just set up."

You subconscious will insert that in there but it will automatically also generate response thoughts to go along with what you tried to insert such as:
"This will never work."
"Why am I wasting my time with this."
"Oh well, at least I can prove to those guys out there that this is all BS."
"I knew this was all just mumbo-jumbo."
"These people are just self-deluding themselves because they aren't very smart."
etc.

In a case like this, your single thought of manifestation doesn't stand a chance. In order to REALLY get something going you need to create a manifestation that you truly believe will happen. You do that by imagining it already being true and vividly living in an imagined world which already has your outcome completed.

For example, if I tried to manifest people donating on my blog my defenses automatically go up and my subconscious starts thinking "It can't be that easy." and "You've got to provide value." and "Nothis is for free." etc. But for example, if I look at Steve's Blog site, and I see that he generates thousands of dollars per month from writing articles I could imagine myself generating $10 from writing articles as a starting point. I can imagine that and act like it's already going to happen. So I register a domain, setup a website, get started on writing some articles, get a PayPal account setup etc.

*IF* I could undue all my past conditioning and erase all my subconscious programming and just replace it with "Free money flows into my PayPal account." then it would work, but because we are all living with limiting beliefs, we need to take slow steps towards manifesting what we want.

I'm pretty sure Steve didn't believe 100% he would make $10k in a month from writing his articles when he started his blog. If he did, he would have made it. But I bet he believed he could make some money. Once he made $2k, $3k isn't hard to imagine...and then 5, 7, 10k etc.

[Acting Like Godot]

Yes, Paul, but minds work in extremely subtle ways.

For example, suppose you had this thought:

"I really sincerely truly want to know whether LOA is true or not."

And then you devise an experiment involving PayPal.

You know the rest .......

[Colm OReilly]

The problem I see here is that you're using a scientific method to test another paradigm. If you're going to use the IM model of reality, commit to it.

Also, the parameters of your experiment are kind of fuzzy. Are donations exclusively up to your intention, or are they based on the quality of your writing, the amount of promotion you do, etc?

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

If your goal is to test IM to see if it works, then you're basically conducting a test of your own skepticism. Your test will succeed in the sense that you will "prove" your own skepticism accurate because that's your true underlying intention. Unfortunately this also means your PayPal account will remain largely empty.

You can't cheat IM by pretending to believe it works while your underlying skepticism says it cannot possibly work. Your intentions won't be congruent. If you don't genuinely believe IM works, at best you'll manifest a weak alpha reflection, but the beta reflection will never show up.

But if he really believed if then people would just come to his site and donate? Even if the content isn't worth it?

[Lil Chris]

What about trying to have LOA become your normal...
Normal in the sense that, there are certain normals in everybodies life:
it's normal for me to wear jeans and a t-shirt, it's normal for me to understand computers, it's normal for me to help explain the computer to people and have them look at me like I'm nutts, It's normal for me to generate cash from my website using paypal... etc...

Normal being a state of expecting of certain things to happen... then focus on it like it's no big deal, just apart of everyday life...

[Steve Pavlina]

Originally Posted by impaul99

I'm pretty sure Steve didn't believe 100% he would make $10k in a month from writing his articles when he started his blog. If he did, he would have made it. But I bet he believed he could make some money. Once he made $2k, $3k isn't hard to imagine...and then 5, 7, 10k etc.

I was certain from the beginning this site would eventually make at least $10K/month. I had already made more than that from my games business. I just didn't know how I'd do it with a personal development site. I figured I'd probably do it by creating and selling info products. Getting there via advertising was an interesting twist.

Getting your beliefs to be internally congruent is what takes the most time when applying IM. I know one thing that really helped me was to imagine what life would really be like at higher income levels and mentally experience what it would be like to be already there.

[stephencp]

"But if he really believed if then people would just come to his site and donate? Even if the content isn't worth it?"

You're intentions must also respect the Laws of the Universe one of which is that people won't donate for crap.
For instance, another is that people can't fly, regardless of what someone on drugs at the top of the building might think.

Stephen
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[Lil Chris]

I wouldn't have believed in telepathy... If I hadn't experienced it myself. But I have...

I now believe alot more is very possible, unexplainable yes, but definately possible...

[Jm4362]

Originally Posted by stephencp

You're intentions must also respect the Laws of the Universe one of which is that people won't donate for crap.

What if the Laws of the Universe only exist because they were intended into being? If you believe people won't donate for crap, people won't donate for crap.

~Jm4362