Is It Easy???????????

[jaideepv1234]

is it easy to control our mind....

WHAT IS MIND?,what it constructs of ?

can one evere know the mind fullyyyy?????

suppose yes....then what purpose remains of his's life.......coz i heard if meditation attains then every THOUGHT ceases ,......what kind of life he is living then?????????

what other guys thought on this?

[Acting Like Godot]

I hope you don't mind me saying so. But from your posts, I can tell that you are very "scattered". You lack focus and concentration. That's what you need to work on, IMO.

[jawillie]

I have been where you are. For me it was fear of "losing myself".... but I have never been happier in my life as I am right now. And I keep getting closer and closer to God-source. It is truly amazing.

"thought ceases?" Oh, no it doesn't. I am still me. I still THINK. I still feel and have bad days and good days.... but I am learning to question what I am thinking and question if it needs to exist. If it is junk, I drop it. That is so empowering!

Have you read anything on this?

I have read at least a dozen books. Each one brings a break-through for me.

It is not "easy"... like anything worthwhile in life, it takes committment.

The fact that you are questioning this shows that you are on your way. Just keep plodding along.

[hkalchemy]

'What is mind?' and the purposes of meditation are not easy questions to address. Meditation aims as stilling the mind, letting it settle so that we can experience reality more directly without the constant chatter and filter of our thoughts. When we see the 'truth,' you could call this enlightenment.

To me, though, mind is made up of conscious and subconscious - the former thinks and directs, the latter communicates with a wider, universal intelligence to see that the will of the conscious mind is carried out. It is 'open at both ends,' I have written about this at my blog, if interested.

[jaideepv1234]

acting like godot.....n, i will not mind it....coz its truth ,i m really frustrated in my life regarding my intension.its not manifestating ,tough i m working on it.i m repeating the affirmations ,like I DOES THING WITH GREAT CONCENTRATION''.......but..still its not happening ........what is the reason for this,and i m serious about it....but still its happening with me ....where m going wrong ,m not been able to find out......

jawilli,thanks for that support,i read ur blog,its very nice,m trying to work on it from today....

[torilink]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

is it easy to control our mind....

WHAT IS MIND?,what it constructs of ?

can one evere know the mind fullyyyy?????

suppose yes....then what purpose remains of his's life.......coz i heard if meditation attains then every THOUGHT ceases ,......what kind of life he is living then?????????

what other guys thought on this?

It isn't living without thought it is consciously observing thought. It is a process of seeing your thoughts in the light of conscious presence and dropping those thought patterns & reactions which don't serve the true self.

Like your computer processing information and giving you data about that information - great tool, but you don't want the computer to begin deciding for you what info you need, what is important to you, what beliefs you should hold based upon that data and so on. You just need it to process the info and supply the data.

same with the mind, it is necessary in the world of form to gather information from the senses, to process experience and form new desires, it isn't necessary to label them, to react to them, to form beliefs around them, nor to over identify with that information.

[jaideepv1234]

thanks torilink......
here, my point is (i m not saying this) in our spiritual scriptures ,like BAGHVAD GEETA,UPNISHADS,SHASTRA'S, all about said to kill the thoughts,to transcend the mind,
''in the process of attaining or being one with god ,only thought becomes the man hindrance,obstacle.

''absolute silence in the mind led to oneness of god''(again its written in scriptures)
........so....is it that ,whatevere written in the scriptures is false?(humble question).

thought create this world,if there is no thoughts,then the light of god directly enters in mind,and person feels like enlightenment.(not me again)
just want to know what u guys think

should one believe in scriptures?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

acting like godot.....n, i will not mind it....coz its truth ,i m really frustrated in my life regarding my intension.its not manifestating ,tough i m working on it.i m repeating the affirmations ,like I DOES THING WITH GREAT CONCENTRATION''.

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

should one believe in scriptures?

jaideep.
If I may say this........that's your problem.

Look at it this way. There is a Quantum Shift going on in Consciousness. The "old" way of gaining Knowledge outside of you, thru books, scriptures, Masters, etc, is on it's way out.

If you can accept what I just said above...........THEN you'll stop focusing on all your power outside you, and start focusing on your power WITHIN you.

This is why you have trouble concentrating.

[infinitethoughts]

So what does it mean to focus on the "power" within you?

First of all it's not "power".
It's your natural state of being.

You actually effortlessly generate your reality moment to moment.

So then why are you generating BS?

This is what I mean. Go within.....which mean Know Thyself and watch how you are are acting moment to moment. Stop living in the past and the future.

The moment is the only way to figure out what OLD beliefs you have.
Then simply change them.

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

thanks torilink......
here, my point is (i m not saying this) in our spiritual scriptures ,like BAGHVAD GEETA,UPNISHADS,SHASTRA'S, all about said to kill the thoughts,to transcend the mind,
''in the process of attaining or being one with god ,only thought becomes the man hindrance,obstacle.

''absolute silence in the mind led to oneness of god''(again its written in scriptures)
........so....is it that ,whatevere written in the scriptures is false?(humble question).

thought create this world,if there is no thoughts,then the light of god directly enters in mind,and person feels like enlightenment.(not me again)
just want to know what u guys think

should one believe in scriptures?

Jaideepv,
I think these scriptures and what the wisest wisdom is saying in this regard, is to be able to slow down the thoughts, which drain energy and which muddy the water, and then focus all of your awareness on the present moment.
That's most, if not all of it.

Think of it. If there really is no time, except as a construct of our thoughts, then in order to actually experience eternity ( enlightenment/nirvanna ), we need to be able to stop the thoughts and just be fully aware of NOW.

Does that make sense to you ?

btw, don't beat yourself up if you can't easily achieve this state. I think it is very hard to do, as we have let our thoughts run rampant for our whole lives. Taming them is no easy task.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

thanks torilink......
here, my point is (i m not saying this) in our spiritual scriptures ,like BAGHVAD GEETA,UPNISHADS,SHASTRA'S, all about said to kill the thoughts,to transcend the mind,
''in the process of attaining or being one with god ,only thought becomes the man hindrance,obstacle.

''absolute silence in the mind led to oneness of god''(again its written in scriptures)
........so....is it that ,whatevere written in the scriptures is false?(humble question).

thought create this world,if there is no thoughts,then the light of god directly enters in mind,and person feels like enlightenment.(not me again)
just want to know what u guys think

should one believe in scriptures?

to kill the thought is not the same as to not use the mind. thoughts will arise - you either align with them or not. if you don't invest them with belief and internalize them as part of the self, they will cease to be or die off.

when you know that you are not the thoughts rising in the mind, but the observer then you have transcended them. In the letting go of thoughts as they arise instead of investing them with belief & becoming them you make the space for consciousness or enlightenment to enter.

egoic thought manifests into form and makes the world we perceive - conscious thought creates. The difference is that the ego can only remake or recycle the past and project it into the future. It takes from "Out there" and remakes it in its own image. Consciousness creates through us and this is a new birth/creation.

Every religion and holy book offers these truths in their own way - but that doesn't mean that those religions & books are 100% truth.

[jaideepv1234]

thank you infinitethought ,for clear explanation....(i like the clarity of ur thoughts) i m happy that u r my friend

i started thinking of thyself ,

i will really understand of all conceps because of u only.

can u suggest me some books on quantumm shift,to increase my knowledge,cause i have not read that much about quantum theory.

i m also searching on net...

thank u all of u guys....i will incorporate all ur advices.....

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

:Lightbulb: very clear.......

Perfect.

[dave marshall]

Hi,

if I were you I would bring your exploration a little cloaser to home and explore your beliefs. Your beliefs determine your experience and are a great way to start exploring the nature of your own mind.

What is mind? well that could be along debate but if you want to understand who you are and how to interact with reality you could accept that you have an identity/mind and that identity has certain ideas about itself. if you wanted to improve any aspect of your experience I would once again not go too deep into the philosophical questions and simply start to understand what you beleive and why, then learn to change the beleifs that are not serving you.

dave

[dave marshall]

Hi,

i forgot to say that knowing yourself is not easy, it is challenging but as said in this string, well worth while

dave

[jaideepv1234]

thank u dave .
hey i started paying attention to NOW moment which will bring face to face with my old beliefs,,first i will start recognising it,and then i will slowly try to change it...will try to set new beliefs ,which will serve me my purpose.or my goal....
thank u
hey dave, infinitethoughts is really helping me to understand the real meanings of this terms and guiding me towards...........perfect.
and u as well..