Multiple Universes..

[themaster]

I've been wrapping my brain around multiple universes and I can't come up with a excellent answer.. in theory or more like reality there real.. but what does that really mean?

Science has a theorem for multiple realities..
Simulated reality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And LOA Teachers also have one (those more closely related to the core religion)

Your essence is far more vast than your human body can accommodate. However, there are countless parallel "you's" with the same or similar overleaves and similar bodies. These parallel you's are experiencing different aspects of your life task, giving your essence a more complete experience of the physical plane. Some may think of these parallel you's as not being as valid as the you who is reading these words. They are, in fact, as real to themselves as you are to yourself. Sometimes there is bleedthrough between parallel selves, especially when you are asleep and dreaming.

So I'm not mis-quoting out of context.. my source for this is..
Michael Chat - 05-07-2006

[sheffy4]

What kind of answer are you looking for? Like you want to know if it's true or not?
If that's the question you have, I think it is something you will have to meditate on and think about, and just "feel" if it's true for you or not.
I studied this theory in a class this semester, and basically we learned that some people believe it might exist, but there is no scientific way to ever confirm or deny its existence.

[Jennihul]

There is something about the multiple universes theory that doesn't sit well with me.

I'm just not trained well enough to properly analyze it.

I just have a gut feeling that there is an answer to the puzzles of physics that doesn't need the multiple universes theory to explain them.

Jennifer

[dave marshall]

it may be easier to replace the idea of multiple universes with multiple states of consciousness. By this i mean that our identity is not limited to one experience, but has multiple experiences within different states of consciousness, each aspect of the separate but part of the whole. some aspects of each identity will experience a different reality based on the senses it uses and the limitations it has placed upon its own self awareness.

dave

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

There is something about the multiple universes theory that doesn't sit well with me.

I'm just not trained well enough to properly analyze it.

I just have a gut feeling that there is an answer to the puzzles of physics that doesn't need the multiple universes theory to explain them.

Jennifer

It doesn't. There are alternative theories. The majority of those theories sit quite well with some version of LOA, though.

Example - instead of explaining the collapse of the wavefunction by using Hugh Everett's Many Worlds Theory, we could explain it by using the Bohm interpretation. Or we could explain it using the "consciousness causes collapse" theory.

The Bohm interpretation goes very well with Deepak Chopra's explanation of LOA.

While the "consciousness causes collapse" theory goes very well with Fred Alan Wolf's (of "What the Bleep!" and "The Secret" fame) explanation of LOA.

Whereas Hugh Everett's Many Worlds Theory goes best with Jane Roberts/Seth explanation of LOA.

The interesting thing to me is that I've never come across any explanation why all the different explanations of the wavefunction collapse cannot be simultaneously true. (In other words, I don't see why Deepak, Fred and Seth cannot all be right).

[Anagogy]

The version I subscribe to, is somewhat similar to the perspectives ALG and dave have.

I believe all possibilities already exist. It's like a hypersphere of experience radiating outwards into infinity. It is composed of consciousness. Points of consciousness determine what experience they have based on what they tune their consciousness to. It is similar to an enormous ocean of frequency. What we think of as "wave collapse" is consciousness transversing along nodes of experience because its focus or frequency has changed.

So from that perspective all realities exist. An infinity of them. We get to sift through that infinity of parallel realities and pluck out conscious experiences to have.

[jeff3]

Einstein commented that the universe is like a lion and all we may ever be able to see is it's tail because of the enormity and complexity of the whole lion, so .....if you don't understand, your not in bad company, neither did he.

[stellasky]

Okay this is interesting...I just got on my computer at 9:18 my time and noticed that at 9:07 my time, this thread was started.

I'd just gotten up from bed after staring up at the ceiling pondering about parallel universes/multiple universes...
My ceiling is patterned which helped organize my thoughts about it...

I'd been focusing on this subject all week reading science sites, mixing it with my own feelings in an effort try to make sense of it and how it’s affected my own life.
I need to condense my thoughts before I make any posts on how my ceiling brought me to various conclusions.

Below are good reads on the subject:
Howstuffworks "Parallel Universes: Split or String?"
Dr. Michio Kaku, the originator of string theory, theories by Hugh Everett, Niels Bohr, Einstein and more.

This sounds like an interesting book on the subject:
“The Universe and multiple reality by Prof. M.R. Franks, and he quotes:

“There is no one reality. Each of us lives in a separate universe. That's not speaking metaphorically. This is the hypothesis of the stark nature of reality suggested by recent developments in quantum physics. Reality in a dynamic universe is non-objective. Consciousness is the only reality.”

In response to Sheffy4,
<What kind of answer are you looking for? Like you want to know if it's true or not? If that's the question you have, I think it is something you will have to meditate on and think about, and just "feel" if it's true for you or not>

While I get that one needs to find out how they feel about something, as I've been all morning, that information doesn’t prove its existence or not.
For me the point is, do multiple realities exist?
Prof. Franks’ quote is in accordance with my feelings, that mulitple realities/universes exist, BUT not because I “feel they do for me”....because what I feel for ME, is not the "whole" truth.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

The version I subscribe to, is somewhat similar to the perspectives ALG and dave have.

I believe all possibilities already exist. It's like a hypersphere of experience radiating outwards into infinity. It is composed of consciousness. Points of consciousness determine what experience they have based on what they tune their consciousness to. It is similar to an enormous ocean of frequency. What we think of as "wave collapse" is consciousness transversing along nodes of experience because its focus or frequency has changed.

So from that perspective all realities exist. An infinity of them. We get to sift through that infinity of parallel realities and pluck out conscious experiences to have.

Good. In my case right now it's more like potentialities or possibilities...a possibility can be said to "exist", no? Every time we make a decision, no matter how minor, we alter what is compared with what could have been. In that respect we aren't plucking, we're producing the reality, but the possibility of that reality existed before we caused it to manifest.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Good. In my case right now it's more like potentialities or possibilities...a possibility can be said to "exist", no? Every time we make a decision, no matter how minor, we alter what is compared with what could have been. In that respect we aren't plucking, we're producing the reality, but the possibility of that reality existed before we caused it to manifest.

From my perspective (and that's all it is, so your view is perfectly valid as well), I see the world in terms of experience. Experience exists within the field of consciousness.

On one level, we exist as points of consciousness experiencing various things or possible events, a small percentage of which, become actualized events for us.

On another level, which I would call the continuum of consciousness, all POSSIBLE experience is already enfolded and manifest.

The tangible realm is contained inside the intangible realm. If that makes any sense.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

From my perspective (and that's all it is, so your view is perfectly valid as well), I see the world in terms of experience. Experience exists within the field of consciousness.

On one level, we exist as points of consciousness experiencing various things or possible events, a small percentage of which, become actualized events for us.

On another level, which I would call the continuum of consciousness, all POSSIBLE experience is already enfolded and manifest.

The tangible realm is contained inside the intangible realm. If that makes any sense.

It's all words, and words are insufficient for topics like this. But, we can kinda keep one another in the ballpark...

[viscapes]

I think the existence of a multi-verse is almost certain. Here's why.

The probability of the conditions for life existing on planet earth are so small that we shouldn't exist. That is, unless there are billions of planets in the universe providing billions of opportunities for those conditions to exist. There are, and we exist as a result.

Equally, the conditions required for our universe to exist are so astronomically small that our universe shouldn't exist. That is, unless there are billions of universes providing billions of opportunities for the conditions of our universe to exist. We exist, therefore there must be billions of universes (a multi-verse).

The only possible alternative is that there is a supernatural intelligence behind it all that created the conditions for our universe from nothing. But that begs all sorts of other questions. The multi-verse theory seems far more likely to me.

[supertom]

sucks to think theres a universe where He"I" got the bad end of the stick, while i got the good end