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Don't get me wrong, I think that Tolle's book is full of incredible insights and I extracted a lot of value from it, but to me it just doesn't make any sense to kill the ego. Not identifying with the ego makes sense to the extent that you perceive yourself as part of a larger consciousness or consciousness itself, but killing the ego robs us of our individual human perspective. (To quote Tolle from the book: "We call it egoic because there is a sense of self, of I (ego), in every thought – every memory, every interpretation, opinion, viewpoint, reaction, emotion."). And without our individual perspectives and thoughts and ideas, how do we even contribute to the greater good when those perspectives, thoughts and ideas are part of the ego? Even wanting to make a difference in the world, in itself, is egoic. Realizing that you are not the thoughts and ideas that move you is dis-identification with ego and that's fine by me, but killing the ego is destroying the individual perspective that we experience as human beings. We can recognize ourselves as part of a larger consciousness or consciousness itself while at the same time keeping our individual perspectives as human beings, without which the physical experience loses purpose. But anyway, killing the ego is one of the contradictions between what the Power of Now and the Law of Attraction teach. That was the point I was trying to make, based on the original purpose of the thread. I don't even mean to defend one or the other, like I said in a previous post, each person needs to find out for themselves what makes sense to them and what doesn't, but the point remains that there are contradictions between the two. | |||
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Yeah,we need to function at both levels of awareness,but those levels are universal and individual,i dont see where the ego HAS to be there for either one to work together. yeah,wanting to help the world is an INTENTION for the FUTURE,but,wanting to help the world can only start within yourself! Without that you go nowhere to start with! I wouldn't want a bunch of angry,jealous or depressed people out there trying to change or fix things,we already have enough of that in the government |
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The contradiction is in the fact that wanting these things is egoic (not selfish, egoic, meaning it comes from the structure of the ego). Without the ego, you won't want a new car OR a better world. And by the way, LoA teachers will argue that even having water, food and shelter are things you attract/manifest. Not everyone has water, food and shelter, trust me. | ||
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You can actually regard the Power of Now as a a highly advanced form of time management. If you read any conventional time management book, it will likely give you advice along the following lines: (a) every day, make a list all the things you need to do; (b) organise all these tasks according to their priority; (c) concentrate fully on the most important High Priority task first; (d) while working on it, ignore all else (e) when that task is done, move to the next highest-ranking task. The Power of Now is quite similar. Except that instead of using a "day", you use "now". You concentrate fully on what is immediately before you, right now. If you can do something about it, you do something about it. If you cannot do anything about it, you do not waste energy worrying about it and simply move on to something else. Procrastination, in fact, is a prime example of resistance to the Now. Eg there is something you need to do, but it's unpleasant, so you RESIST doing it, and give yourself excuses to put it off to another time, and another time, and another time. |
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My conclusion back on page one of this thread was that your intention (or attention) exists in the present moment. So in order to manifest, you have to be in this moment. And then, once you are truly present, whatever you focus upon, that's where you are going. Or, better yet, whatever you focus upon, that's what is coming to you. In another thread "Intention is your being?" Acting Like Godot said there were three levels of manifestation: doing, having and being. In my opinion, one starts with being. Like for example, one might say "I am a carpenter". The next level is having, ie acquiring the tools of a carpenter. And the third level is doing, the practice of being a carpenter. Along with this idea, I think you have to intend what you are, not what you were or what you will become. There's something about tapping into this moment of being. I think it's key. | |
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To add to that, LOA actually gets thrown out the door, in a way. The reason I say this is.......you then get to the point where you realize LOA is more intimate to you then breathing. It is what one is. The "eternal" Now moment is you continually regenerating a "past" and a future. The trick is being aware of this 24/7. One then becomes what one really is, which is a Center "Zero" point, continually sloughing off "time" from itself. | |
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I didn't get that Tolle suggests getting rid of, or killing the ego. That part I thought I got was to watch out for "identification with form". Of which ego is a form - a bunch of thought structures, if you will. So then, there's an overlap possible. LoA says to detach from your desires. Tolle says release identification with form. Maybe those statements are the same idea, just with different words. I think the parts that contradict between LoA and Tolle are the parts of LoA that were "distorted" to make people want to buy the material. Like hooking people into thinking they can get what they want, by just thinking a certain way. That the real LoA needs to be seen from the point of Being anyway before one becomes a grand manifester. And once in Being, you can desire with your heart and it works out. Desire from the mind, is difficult. imho... |
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Part of the process with the Law of Attraction is to conceive what you want, visualise, emotionalise your end result then let it go. To continually focus on what you don't have yet only attracts more of not having it yet. Being present in the now means when the opportunity or event that will materialise your intentions presents itself , you will recognise it and grab it with both hands. |
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However, going for material things isn't all that the LoA is about necessarily and this perceived distortion is what people want to hear, not what everyone is teaching (although, admittedly, some are certainly capitalizing on that). The Secret, for instance, has been criticized for its "focus on money" and even though the movie is far from perfect, people just WANT to emphasize the part about money when in reality The Secret is divided into "The secret to health", "The secret to the World", "The secret to you", "The secret to Relationships", etc, AND "The Secret to Wealth - or money", but people seem to forget or not notice that. I don't think it's been distorted, at least not by most of those who are teaching - but maybe by many who are learning or many of those who want to criticize the LoA. I think that money is just something that a lot of people are after and choose to use the LoA in that direction. But whatever the case, whether someone's intentions are about money or not, the process is the same. I think this overlap between LoA and Tolle that you pointed out (creation from a state of Being as opposed to creation from the mind) is key. And it reminds me of Steve's podcast entitled "Faster Goal Achievement" in which he says (paraphrasing): "What kind of person would have already accomplished that? Become that person". It's not exactly the same thing you're describing, but it's a very similar concept. | ||
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(I like your nickname, Btw. Straight to the fooking point !) I'd add, Being in the present means you have thrown away two useless words. "Past" and "Future". You then become what you really are, a continual Self referencing point.......continually referencing upon itself. | |
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| This must be where i go wrong. Because every night when i go to bed,i create a movie,or a story in my head,of the kind of man i want to be with. So i'm imagining that we ARE together. I guess thats the wrong way to go about it,i should only think of it once then never again. But i have heard the opposite,that the more you focus on something,the more it will come. That's why i was so confused with the LoA,there was too many specifics but also conflicting rules,i didnt know what to do. But with Tolle's book,what i've read so far,its just a way of thinking,not specific rules you have to follow.
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If you ARE WEALTHy then you no longer desire/want/need money, so it isn't just about stopping yourself from thinking about it - it is about becoming wealthy inside yourself, or inhabiting that state of being. If you desire perfect health, you must inhabit that state of being - which means that you believe and accept yourself as being that which you desire - and that is what leads to not thinking of it, it is no longer necessary to think about, obsess over, or cling to a desire for what you already are. | |
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What would your life be like with this person there? How would you feel physically knowing he was with you? What would you think? What would you do? How would you relate to the rest of the world knowing you had found love? Embody the answers to these questions. In other words, feel, think and act like you are with this guy right now. The key is letting go of wanting. You can keep the intention. Just be. | |
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| Am I? In what way? You make a statement and don't back it up. If you love and trust in God/Source/the Soul, then things will always unfold for the best. Not always, but perhaps it is often the case, that we reject that and try to superimpose onto that another vision which is not in our best interest. Many create ‘visions’ as a means of escapism, because they can’t handle being in the present moment, and do not wish to face the truth, not because they already have the potential in them to manifest that vision. Of course, whatever job you are doing at the time, you should do the best you can. That is patently obvious. If your employer is paying you to do x amount of work, or x number of hours a day, that’s what you should be doing. Do you need a guru to tell you that? |
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There were times where I really wanted someone in my life. But it seemed that no matter what I did, I couldn't get with anyone. At some point, I would just give up and decide I was fine on my own and accepted things as they were. Without fail, as soon as I stopped searching, I'd start meeting all these women who were attracted to me. It's a weird little paradox. And I'm no Casanova, by the way. What I'm saying is be content with what you got. Because the truth is, you already have everything. Contentment is what breeds abundance. So, I totally disagree with your friends. Think about when a guy wants something from you. Is that attractive? What about a guy who seems content with himself and just likes hanging out with you? Really, what's more attractive to you? | |
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I had just returned from Spain after a failed business venture, feeling miserable, with my tail between my legs, wondering what the hell to do with my life. I was even toying with the idea of joining a monastery. Then, at a small party, just sitting quietly in a corner, she came up to me and asked for a dance. What I find amusing is that whenever something does, or does not, manifest, an LoA aficionado will respond and say. “Well, that’s LoA”. So, for example, if : I am happy and joyful, and my desire manifested. Response: That’s LoA for you! I am happy and joyful, and my desire did not manifest. Response: That’s LoA for you! I am happy and joyful, but the complete opposite to my desire manifested. Response: That’s LoA for you! I am sad and miserable, and my desire manifested. Response: That’s LoA for you! I am sad and miserable, and my desire did not manifest. Response: That’s LoA for you! I am sad and miserable, but the complete opposite to my desire manifested. Response: That’s LoA for you! I wasn’t even remotely thinking about it and it manifested. Response: That’s LoA for you! I was just walking along the road, minding my own business, when a giraffe fell on my head. Response: That’s LoA for you! Is it any different to saying: That's life. That's the way it goes. You win some, you lose some. That's the way the cookie crumbles? | |
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I know what you mean, Cantando. It does tend to sound like that. I think a lot of times people are trying to come up with reasons that LoA "didn't work," and some of those reasons I don't agree with. For instance, I don't see much evidence other than a few anecdotal stories, that people attract what they fear. I see a lot more evidence that people do not attract what they fear. I also don't believe people collectively manifest disasters. I don't think I have to believe any of that. I think there are some things not all of us comprehend yet. What I have been learning about why desires don't manifest, are: - lack of skill in IM - lack of focus - limiting beliefs - contradictory intentions/beliefs that we may not even realize are there until we do some psychological work (and this was my biggie) - because of the above four aspects, we have a tendency to get more of what we already have, because that is who we are. And we can get better and better at getting more of what we already have, if that's what we want, but making the switch from lacking something to having it and then being able to get more of it, now that's the difficulty. I don't like the attempts to explain away the giraffe falling out of the sky by LoA, even if you weren't remotely thinking about it, even if you had never thought about such a thing, even if you were happy and joyful, even if you hadn't even thought about a giraffe for five years, even if you had never been afraid of things falling out of the sky, and you were really looking forward to the place you were on your way to, but the giraffe interrupted the whole thing and wrecked the entire night. I suspect what the experienced LoA practioner could arrange for in this case, is to have the ability that, if a giraffe is going to fall out of the sky, it would at least not fall on your head or your car, and even better, it would land on something real soft so that it could shake off the experience and happily run away into the wilderness. |
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