Can You Convert Me To I.m. ???

[Bristol]

Hello everyone,

I haven't posted here in an eternity, but this very energetic discussion has forced me to contribute my 2cents.

I am Silva graduate (both the basic and the Ultramind ESP). and have manifested several things in my life - most of them in a relatively short period of time (in days, sometime in hours).

Before attending the Silva seminars, I had read many books on the subject (ALG - One book I had never considered reading but have started on your recommendation - "Instant Magick" is a fascinating read. Thank you) and thought that it was all about belief. If I believed strongly (the reason of belief was irrelevant) enough that something would happen - it will.

I have seen "real" magic from close quarters, when someone could manifest things from thin air. I'm not talking about stage shows - but real life stuff (e.g. get tickets to a movie of my choice without leaving home.) and again IO thought it was because the person performing the magic believed strongly in the process, deity (I'm talking about Indian magic, where usually some God/Goddess is involved) and hence could do such miracles.

When I learned the Silva method, I started questioning that belief, because many things happened without my "strong" belief. Further self analysis revealed that I didn't have "strong" belief, but neither did I have strong disbelief.

Over the years, this theory seems to be holding true. When I try to manifest something without "disbelief" it manifests. This is same as "allowing". But it's really hard to explain or experience. A lot of people confuse this with things like I need, I want, I think I can, I'm ready for it etc. Some can't see the difference between "I want to believe and "I do believe". As Joseph Murphy said - A desire to believe is not belief.

I have tried "experiments" where I soooo much want it to work. For instance, I have tried, on a few occasions, to manifest a certain amount of money. I believe in LOA/IM, no doubt about that. I've manifested things in the past, several times. I believe that "I" also can manifest anything I want. But I have failed in manifesting money every time I've tried.

Did that prove to me that LOA/IM is a lie? Can't be, because I've other instances where it has worked.

Did that prove that LOA/IM is NOT a lie? Can't be, because I failed.

So what did it prove?

In a scientific language, I would say that the parameters of the experiment were not consistent. In the other cases I might or might not have believed that something would manifest - but didn't have disbelief.

In the money case, I believed that I could manifest anything, but had disbelief that I could have 20 grand in my bank account by the weekend.

The technical term for this is, of course, resistance.

I have built up strong beliefs about "how much", "how" and "when" money can really make it to my bank account. Hence the "disbelief" that 20 grand will miraculously appear in my account in a couple of days.

Lets talk about the role of action. Action is also an element of belief. Actions is the basic premise of getting results, in the traditional thinking. Taking action makes us belief that we can possibly see results.

Most of us also know that "massive action" by itself doesn't always produce the desired result. Often times, we can't think of a set of actions that we really believe will take us to the desired goal. For instance, I can't think of a set of actions to take , where I have reasonable belief that it will result in 20 grand coming into my bank account before the weekend.

So is it impossible? Of course not. I could buy a lottery and win. Would my "logical" mind accept that as "taking action" ? Probably not. But is it "impossible" to win the lottery? Even in mathematical terms - No, cause no matter how slim, there is a statistical probability that I could win. And if I could (The key word is "could" - it reflects a degree of ability.) empty my mind of all the disbeliefs, I WILL win.

However, despite everything, if I'm harboring a strong disbelief , I'm not going to win.

That's why a lot of IM experiments don't work. Most people don't come into the lab with an open mind. They come in with a sense of disbelief and hope/expect the results of the experiment to change that. However, the presence of disbelief contaminates the experiment to start with - and the results appear to be self fulfilling - no manifestation.

And most disbelievers savor the failure of such experiments. They "wanted" the results (money, car, bonds, lottery, stocks...whatever), but what they (as most people) wanted most was a reaffirmation of their current beliefs (Maslow's hierarchy of needs!!!)

Guess I wanted to say too many things in one post...will try to be more coherent next time.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

impaul99,
I know what you mean... I stopped talking about my telepathy experience, I know telepathy exists because I experienced it (albeit only for a short period of a few days) but it happened none the less. If someone hasn't experienced something, usually they:
A. they either don't believe you
B. Assume you're not being truthful or
C. just think you're crazy, or simply
D. Can't understand / relate

I do think one can get into areas they they may not be ready for (beyond IM or LOA)... Perhaps some folks are just not ready to understand yet...? I know for me the telepathy thing caught my attention and I was like what, what, what... What was that? The more I focused on what it was or what was going on the more it happened. It was like noticing something for the first time that has always been there... It was similar with IM / LOA too... I think one must be somewhat aware of such a thing first...

For me what happened is I first "proved" to myself just one thing that went against my analytical/logical thinking process. Once I realized that my intuition was right and my intellect was wrong, that opened up the door to questioning my other strong held beliefs.

For example, I never used to believe in psychics. I used to think it's all just trickery. But after I became an open minded individual I adopted a belief of "I don't know because I haven't personally experienced a psychic experience yet in my life, so I'm undecided." Once I relaxed my belief to that level, I started thinking "What if psychics are real...Steve Pavlina is an intellectual person and his wife is psychic...if she was a fraud, why would he hang around with her? Doesn't make sense..."

So I started looking into it, and about a year and a half later I'm totally convinced that psychic abilities are 100% real.

Of course there are still a whole bunch of things out there that I haven't experienced, but I reserve my judgement until I personally look into it.

I think the flaw that most people make is believing that something can't be true just because their intellect can't figure out a logical explanation for it yet. That's like people not believing that radio waves exist a few hundred years ago, or that the earth revolves around the sun etc.

It took what, only FOUR HUNDRED YEARS for the vatican to accept that the earth doesn't revolve around the sun? Vatican puts Galileo on a pedestal - The INQUIRER

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Bristol

I am Silva graduate (both the basic and the Ultramind ESP). and have manifested several things in my life - most of them in a relatively short period of time (in days, sometime in hours).

Aha, I am also a Silva graduate, but I have done only the Basic, not the Ultramind.

I have seen "real" magic from close quarters, when someone could manifest things from thin air. I'm not talking about stage shows - but real life stuff (e.g. get tickets to a movie of my choice without leaving home.) and again IO thought it was because the person performing the magic believed strongly in the process, deity (I'm talking about Indian magic, where usually some God/Goddess is involved) and hence could do such miracles.

It's called prakamya siddhi, and no God/Goddesss need to be involved.

Over the years, this theory seems to be holding true. When I try to manifest something without "disbelief" it manifests. This is same as "allowing". But it's really hard to explain or experience. A lot of people confuse this with things like I need, I want, I think I can, I'm ready for it etc. Some can't see the difference between "I want to belief" and "I do belief". Like Joseph Murphy said - A desire to believe is not belief.

Exactly! This is the point which many people miss.

[LoveFreedom]

Thanks ALG, I have learnt a LOT from your posts. Great that I took time to read your responses here as well. As someone menioned, you are very insightful and knowledgeable.

After reading Abraham about a year or so ago, I took it at face value - for exact reasons you mentioned earlier - I have nothing to loose. After practicing feeling positive and faithful (believing I DO have control over my life), I have become much happier and many opportunities have manifested in my life since then and I found my 'calling' which i am not resisting any more. Through self observation and reflection, I gained a great insight into how I manifest things, good and bad (even though bad are getting more and more rare, yay!) and sometimes it's almost scary how things I want come my way - coincidences and all.

I share my new passion with one of my friends. It is great to see how her life blossomed since then - I can see the difference in her even more clearly than in myself, which is a bonus-motivator. This is what she wrote to me lately:
"...last October when I was ready for a straight-jacket. Instead you brought Abraham and the power of the universe into my life, and changed everything in less than 6 months."

Bristol, Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they resonated with what I have been observing lately. Allowing (inclusing letting go etc) is so much more important than a strong belief.

Thanks Steven for starting this discussion here. I am loving it! Pity it won't benefit you, but it sure benefited many others. Would that be an example of manifesting in the lives of others? LOL

[Zoey Jordan]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What I have a problem with is calling something a result of I.M. when it has been clearly just as a result of the person taking action.

Hi Stephen,
I believe in the incredible power we all have to manifest what we desire. I believe that when we are in alignment with our true desires, we are motivated to take the necessary actions to make things happen. I also understand that I am human and I have an ego. Things may not manifest for me exactly as I envisioned them, but it doesn't mean I don't achieve what I focused on. For example, if I say I want to get rich, have lots of money, what I really want is not a pile of money, but the freedom that having lots of money will allow me. So I focus on manifesting the riches that the money will afford me, and at the same time, I feel motivated to take the necessary, conscious inspired action, to make it happen in my life. Just my two cents. I am just a student, always interested in learning and sharing.

[Bristol]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Quote:
I have seen "real" magic from close quarters, when someone could manifest things from thin air. I'm not talking about stage shows - but real life stuff (e.g. get tickets to a movie of my choice without leaving home.) and again IO thought it was because the person performing the magic believed strongly in the process, deity (I'm talking about Indian magic, where usually some God/Goddess is involved) and hence could do such miracles.

It's called prakamya siddhi, and no God/Goddesss need to be involved..

Yes ALG, I'm familiar with the siddhis.

However, the ones (actually two) that I have seen, from close quarters, do apparently miraculous stuff have developed that through focussed prayers and rituals. The people I'm talking about are everyday people, going to their day jobs and having a family (not that such people can't attain siddhi - but unlikely through generally understood means). I believe that the prayers and rituals were a means to creating belief - though I was never given the details on how they achieved what they did.

[Bristol]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Aha, I am also a Silva graduate, but I have done only the Basic, not the Ultramind..

Silva method was the first practical experience I had with the being able to something I would have called miraculous. It was during the session when we were paired off and one read off the sex, age and location (I think that was all...it was several years ago) and the other one would go to level, identify what was wrong with the person in question and try to heal.

Based on what my partner told me, I had a vivid picture of a tall man standing in front of a wrecked and burnt car, with his hands on his waist and leaning back as if in pain . I couldn't go any further.

The actual person in question was a man over 6 feet, at that time in hospital with severe back injuries from a car crash.

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[GranCanaria]

As a reply to Bristol's longer post a little above, I think we were all programmed to believe certain things to be possible and other things to be on a scale from improbable to impossible, e.g. winning the lottery or money miraculously appearing in our bank accounts. These beliefs and disbeliefs set limits to what we are successfully able to manifest.

First and foremost, we should convince ourselves that anything is possible. Once we are "in alignment" with that idea, we can manifest whatever we like.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Bristol

Silva method was the first practical experience I had with the being able to something I would have called miraculous. It was during the session when we were paired off and one read off the sex, age and location (I think that was all...it was several years ago) and the other one would go to level, identify what was wrong with the person in question and try to heal.

Based on what my partner told me, I had a vivid picture of a tall man standing in front of a wrecked and burnt car, with his hands on his waist and leaning back as if in pain . I couldn't go any further.

The actual person in question was a man over 6 feet, at that time in hospital with severe back injuries from a car crash.

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I know. I did the course too, and yes, I also successfully did the long-distance psychic diagnosis. I detected the subject to have a problem with a womb, and a pain in her right knee. I was told later that the person was having abnormal menopausal bleeding and was about to go for knee surgery too.

The person I was paired with also did it successfully. I gave her my father's name and age - she said that she sensed a lot of dark colours around his colon. (My father had colon cancer).

Those who want to know more can read the incident as I had recorded it on my blog at that time:

Acting Like Godot: Silva Course - Final Day

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by GranCanaria

First and foremost, we should convince ourselves that anything is possible. Once we are "in alignment" with that idea, we can manifest whatever we like.

GC, that leads to the next question (which has been raised previously): what if your manifestation is in conflict with someone else’s?
For example, applying for the same job, trying to win a race, or more extremely, trying to conquer another country. In these situations, we are dealing with competition, force, will power, faith and inner strength.

Various posters have said they have used IM/LoA for something like manifesting a red hat. To me, that is rather passive and can be explained as follows – your consciousness (below the level of your immediate awareness) projects forward (in space and time) and sees the up and coming red hat. This then filters through into your awareness and you think, ‘I am going to manifest a red hat’. Five minutes later, you turn a corner and see one. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is also the explanation for the phenomenon of déjà vu.

These ‘passive manifestations' are harmless and even fun, but are you really, actively manifesting them, or just having a slight premonition of what’s coming up anyway?

[GranCanaria]

Originally Posted by Cantando

GC, that leads to the next question (which has been raised previously): what if your manifestation is in conflict with someone else’s?

Now that's where I'm stuck myself...I find it hard to understand, let alone believe and apply, Steve's proposed subjective reality model which would solve this conflict, e.g. all of you are projections of my thoughts and desires.

Originally Posted by Cantando

For example, applying for the same job, trying to win a race, or more extremely, trying to conquer another country. In these situations, we are dealing with competition, force, will power, faith and inner strength.

Survival of the fittest?

Originally Posted by Cantando

Various posters have said they have used IM/LoA for something like manifesting a red hat. To me, that is rather passive and can be explained as follows – your consciousness (below the level of your immediate awareness) projects forward (in space and time) and sees the up and coming red hat. This then filters through into your awareness and you think, ‘I am going to manifest a red hat’. Five minutes later, you turn a corner and see one. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is also the explanation for the phenomenon of déjà vu.

Ooohh...déjá vus really scare me. They bring tears of confusion to my eyes. If the same process were behind my blue feather experiment --which is going quite well actually-- then it would mean that all things we desired (or at least the little desires, as you say) were just temporary states of clairvoyance?

Originally Posted by Cantando

These ‘passive manifestations' are harmless and even fun, but are you really, actively manifesting them, or just having a slight premonition of what’s coming up anyway?

No, I prefer to believe I made the conscious choice of IM'ing the blue feather.

Wow, I'm really enjoying these mind-expanding discussions! Hit me!

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by GranCanaria

No, I prefer to believe I made the conscious choice of IM'ing the blue feather.

I have toothache at the moment (I don't remember closing my eyes, clenching my fists, and getting very emotional wishing for it), and I'm wondering if my dentist manifested it so he can get more patients and make more money! More power to him!

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Bristol

Hello everyone,
I haven't posted here in an eternity, but this very energetic discussion has forced me to contribute my 2cents..

Very, very good post. I usually can't read the long ones, but your direct style kept me reading. Thanks.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Cantando

These ‘passive manifestations' are harmless and even fun, but are you really, actively manifesting them, or just having a slight premonition of what’s coming up anyway?

Perhaps it's both...

I've been toying with the concept of multiple realities co-existing...infinite branches...at every instant you could go left or right, leading to a different reality. Perhaps there are an infinite number of each of us, each branching into different worlds. And yet it is all One.

I can't wait to learn the next thing.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Perhaps it's both...

Yes, I was just thinking about that. There is a 2-way feedback loop between our normal state of awareness and the subconscious.

So, if I think about manifesting a red hat, my subconscious projects out and finds one. Some information is filtered back to my awareness and I then feel more convinced that I can manifest it. My subconscious brings back more information about where it is, till I feel an unexplainable urge, compulsion or intuitive feeling to move towards where the red hat actually is.

This principle could be extended to the idea of manifesting a new house or job, but here, the subconscious would invite the co-operation of the subconscious of others to open up channels of communication and help for the desire to manifest.

I suppose, in a way, I am explaining how LoA actually works. I’m not sure if that was my original intention!

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Cantando

I suppose, in a way, I am explaining how LoA actually works. I’m not sure if that was my original intention!

Maybe you should write a book then...there aren't enough already.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Maybe you should write a book then...there aren't enough already.

Oh yes, we definitely need more books and gurus on the subject.
First, I need a title. Hmm ... how about "How to manifest World War III and still make it home in time for tea"?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Oh yes, we definitely need more books and gurus on the subject.
First, I need a title. Hmm ... how about "How to manifest World War III and still make it home in time for tea"?

Haha...let me know when it's printed so I can manifest a copy. I'm a cheapskate.

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Cantando

I have toothache at the moment (I don't remember closing my eyes, clenching my fists, and getting very emotional wishing for it), and I'm wondering if my dentist manifested it so he can get more patients and make more money! More power to him!

I think the law of karma explains manifestation a lot better than the law of attraction. Your toothache being an example.