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Surely saying 'just to prove to myself that it works' means that you don't believe it. And if you don't believe it, it doesn't work (or so they say). So your 'intention' is inherently self defeating. If you know you're going to see the hat, you'll see the hat. And that's it. Michael. |
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I knew I was going to see the hat, and I didn't see the hat. And that's it. | |
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(because it's an image, because it's from a person who knew you wanted to see a red hat, because it's didn't show up where I wanted it, because etc. etc. etc.) Allowing, baby, is where it's at. Gratitude, too, is the most powerful resource at your disposal. Right now, though, you are a being NO to the abundance in the universe, despite your talk of how you 100% believed it. You are swimming in a beautiful, cool clear lake, and you are complaining that you're thirsty. If you'd really like to have abundance, if you'd really like to welcome what you want into your experience, I suggest you try saying, "YES!" and "THANK YOU!" with your life. Good luck! | |
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The red hat and the blue feather are dead ends if you ask me. There is no real desire behind that intention. You have to have real passion at the beguiling of the whole process. A true longing or a goal for the greater good. If I ask the Universe to give me a sign to help keep my strength in pursuing a goal it gives it to me, and if my intention is false or not sincere it dose not give me a sign. Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage. - Anais Nin | |
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And the intention is to find out whether the Law of Attraction is for real. The desire behind that intention can be quite real, as real as somebody's desire to find out, say, whether God really exists. Yes, I know that inherently the experimental design is flawed. A superior experiment, design-wise, is simply to intend as follows: "If the Law of Attraction is real, then I intend that the universe will show this to me, in a way that I find convincing and persuasive." And leave the rest to the universe. Nevertheless, the "red hat, blue feather" type of experiments can and do work, as many people on this forum have already previously discovered. On the passion issue, it really depends. Passion is definitely helpful, but generally a person is passionate only about what he (subjectively) considers to be the "big things" in his life. However, if passion is a necessary element, then IM/LOA would never be able to help you with the "small things" in life. Again, as many people on this forum have already personally discovered, this isn't true. IM/LOA works in a wide range of circumstances where you aren't feeling any passion at all, but would just like a quick, easy, convenient solution to a relatively small problem (eg finding an empty parking lot really fast). In my personal experience, IM/LOA can work very well even for intentions where you don't really have any passion. What you do need is a calm, clear, focused mind when you do your IM/LOA on those intentions. The clearer and calmer and more focused your mind, the better. | |
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"If the Law of Attraction is real, then I intend that the universe will show this to me, in a way that I find convincing and persuasive." This exactly it, IF the LOA is real means you have doubt and not passion in the sense that you know it dose exist. If the red hat is to be manifested through doubt it wont. I manifest “rock star parking” because I know I can. But while I was trying to do it in the begging “Prove LOA works by …. Finding parking… extra ticket… or other small tings” it did not. Coming from doubt negates its existence and the proof is that it does not exist – you get what you believe is true. |
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Everyone has doubts, when they first hear about the LOA. As a matter of fact, everyone, including you and I, will have doubts even after using LOA for a long time. It is just that the nature of the doubt changes. Eg in the past, one might doubt that thoughts alone can ever change reality. Later one might believe that thoughts alone can change reality, but doubt that this happens regularly and constantly. Or one may believe that he can manifest 50 dollars, but doubt that he can manifest 500, or 5000, or 5,000,000 dollars. Doubt does not mean that none of your intentions will manifest. As a matter of fact, even if you totally disbelieve in LOA, your reality will still exist, and it will still be created and driven by your thoughts, even if you do not realise that. In a sense, you could see LOA practitioners as being in a continual process of tackling doubts. Even the IM extraodinaire, Jesus Christ had his doubts, eg in the Garden of Gethsemane. Last edited by Acting Like Godot; 04-18-2008 at 12:20 PM. |
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Thank you, ALG, as always. I do not understand all the advice against the red hat/blue feather experiments, how they can't work because there is doubt, because it's testing the LoA, because it doesn't involve true desire, etc. The 'original' blue feather experiment was very simple and he was advised not to go for some big goal he had that he was passionate about (finding his soul-mate), but rather something small. And it was ok to learn how the LoA works, and it wasn't specified that he had to believe in it. There weren't all these complications and rules . . . just this: "To bring anything into your life, imagine that it's already there." "I'm supposed to practice now?" "Yes." "OK . . . A blue feather." |
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I prefer to put LOA in the following statement: What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. It's from the book Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson. What it means is whatever you believe, you will summon the proof to make it true. The way you go about finding proof is the same way you go about finding anything; it's quite ordinary. The power is in what you believe. Like say you live in Timbuk2 but you believe you live in New York City. If you believed strongly enough, you would no longer be compatible with living in Timbuk2-- the town square just can't replace Time Square and no one can understand your Brooklyn accent-- the bus ride to New York City, however, would be like any other trip cross country. Instead of starting with wanting a million dollars, start with believing you are a millionaire. How does a millionaire think? What does a millionaire do? The process of learning the millionaire mindset would come through normal lines of investigation, but eventually your reality would conform to what you believe. | |
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001: You say you were absolutely certain that you would see a red hat. But now that certainty is gone. Because some artificial time limit was passed, and your senses contradicted your previously unshakeable conviction. You decided to trust your senses over your set intention. But this IM thing doesn't work like that. Like Yoda said to Luke: "Do, or do not. There is no try." You can't approach it like some science experiment. You have to adopt it like a religion. Become a fanatic! No matter what your senses and critical thinking tells you, you must not waver in your faith that the Red Hat will appear in your reality in full glorious 3D, someday, somehow. The more you believe it, the more you tune in to that reality. But you can't go around writing doubt-filled posts on forums like this, thus nullifying your previous efforts. If it takes a lifetime to be able to manifest that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ red hat, then so be it. |
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(a) the possibility that LOA is true (b) the possibility that LOA is not true Now assume, for the purposes of discussion, that LOA is true. Then the fact that you are entertaining the (a) and (b) thoughts at the same time means that you could end up getting very mixed evidence. For example, you could get a synchronicity which does seem to indicate that LOA is true, but which at the same time may well be dismissed as a random, meaningless coincidence. In other words, due to your thoughts about (a) and (b), you are attracting both: (i) evidence that LOA is true; AND (ii) evidence that LOA is not true. Of course, if from the start you are very much more geared towards the (a) thoughts, what will happen is that you will attract stronger evidence that LOA is true (for example, you will get bizarre, unusual synchronicities which are very difficult to dismiss as meaningless, random coincidences). Whereas, if from the start you are very much more geared towards the (b) thoughts, then you will attract little or no evidence that LOA is true, and perhaps even evidence that LOA is not true (eg you may meet someone who will explain to you the concept of confirmation bias, and then you say, "Oh, LOA is just one big mistake arising from confirmation bias"). Nevertheless, the point is that there must be very few people in the universe who, upon hearing about LOA for the first time, are just going to be able to accept and believe in the LOA straightaway. Therefore experiments may be helpful. With luck, you'll generate a synchronicity that is "mixed" in evidential value, but then it will make you feel curious enough to try and try again, and then you will get more and more synchronicities .... .... and eventually, over time, you'll see that it's just not logical to believe that LOA doesn't exist. | |
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As always excellent explanation... Thanks! | |
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OK people, lets entertain the notion that we have all collectively manifested ALG so we could find clarity. As I see it he has manifested a lot of time to spend and help us |
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I want to share an interesting experience. Having been reading this thread from time to time, I suppose the thought of a red hat must have fallen into my mind because yesterday, I was attending a rather formal occasion and, at this most unlikely venue, I suddenly came face to face with someone I have known for years wearing a bright red woolen hat. I instantly thought of this thread and was quite excited for a while. I asked the person why he was wearing the hat, and he said he really didn't know - just felt like it. Coincidence? Personally I don't believe in it. The blue feather, on the other hand, remains elusive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Effortless Abundance |
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I like the idea of practicing (in a fun, playful way) to get better at it, rather than testing it to see if it's true. Yesterday while out and about I decided I would try and attract something specific. I was sitting in a parking lot and I noticed somebody's license plate said "TWINIE." So, I decided to see twins yesterday. I closed my eyes and daydreamed about some twins I have known, went to high school with, went to college with. Then into my mind popped Mary Kay & Ashley Olsen. I laughed and said "No, it won't count if I see them because they're on magazine covers all the time." Then I was amused to see that I was already discounting one possible experience, but really, how could seeing the Olsen twins on a magazine cover count? The next rummage sale I went to had a book for sale by Mary Kay Ash of Mary Kay Cosmetics. Which made me laugh again. I didn't see any twins all day, but one sale I went to had a bed headboard for sale and they had put a sign on it that said "Twin Headboard." I pointed at it to acknowledge that counted. Then back home, I'm reading a book by Stuart Wilde (on the recommendation of somebody here), and he was talking about going to a store and attempting to buy Twinning Tea. Hee. |
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| I think it depends on how badly you want your intention to manifest. I've tried to but now and stopped intending a blue feather but now I see feathers all the time, not blue though. They make me smile and I'm sure the key to better results is gratefulness...anyone agrees?
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| I don't know -- they weren't very stunning coincidences, though it was a little funny that somebody had put that sign on the headboard with the word 'twin,' as though we otherwise we wouldn't know what it was. The one thing that makes me think something was going on, is a bit later this morning I got to realizing that the Olsen girl's names are actually Ashley and Mary KATE. Not Mary Kay. Yet the universe reflected my erroneous thought back at me with a book by Mary Kay Ash. Which really is something to take note of, that the universe doesn't necessarily reflect back what we might call "actual reality," but rather what we think is reality, even if it's not true. I actually wrote down coincidences all day long just to really pay attention and see what happens, how often they happen. I wasn't trying to IM anything else. So I don't know what the coincidences mean. Like I was looking for Ontario St., which turned out to be in a group of streets named after the Great Lakes, and then the guy on the radio started talking about shipwrecks. I also found an issue of The Mother Earth News at a garage sale, which only happens about once every two years, so it was odd timing that I had just mentioned "Mother Earth News" lifestyle on here a day or two ago as being one of the hang-ups I had encountered with money psychological issues. |
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| HA! Interesting... But, you added "even if it's not true" but in reality, you're the one defining what's not true or what is true which would make you "right" all the time (to which you always are and your "truth" can change, by you)... Now the question becomes, what do you want to be "right" with...?
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If you hadn't made the intention, you still would have seen these things, you just would not have noticed them so much. | |
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I guess I've learned my lesson... the people who believe in the LoA are mostly either idiots or intelligent people who don't really believe in it but say they do so as to capitalize on the stupidity and hope of others. Come on... someone telling you what they intend and you giving it to that person is not the LoA. Are you very stupid or do you just think I am? |
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What tends to happen to me is a string of coincidences that aren't related to any intention I have going, at least not consciously. This is why I've said that my LoA skills lack focus, and it's a main reason I am here on this forum, talking with the intelligent people who do believe in LoA and are more skilled in their focus than I am. If there is such a thing as IM, then I need practice. My usual type of thing is this: yesterday after the first sale I went to, I drove by a park called Beaver Dam Park. This caught my attention because I was born in a little town called Beaver Dam, the 'big' town near my even littler hometown. I've spent loads of time there and my grandparents lived there and I worked there during summers in college, and I have very fond memories of the place. Which is about 150 miles away from where I live now. Anyways, later in the day, I passed a semi which was from some small company in Beaver Dam, something I'm not sure if I've ever seen before. Then I was in another city about 50 miles away, and drove by a park I had not been past in many years, which has several of the stone bridges built during the Great Depression that always remind me of one of my favorite childhood parks which is in Beaver Dam. THEN later in the afternoon, back in my current city again, I found myself inadvertently driving on a street called Beaver Dam Drive, which is not anywhere near Beaver Dam Park, and by now of course I'm going WTF? I have no idea what any of this is about. Skeptics would say it's just coincidence. Maybe it is. I don't know. Today there were no similar occurrences at all, the day was pretty much devoid of coincidences. Last edited by moonrambler; 04-20-2008 at 02:39 AM. | |
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Manifesting a big thing is just as easy as a small one, right? Thank you for your "generosity." Because you sacrificed a lot to post a picture of a red hat... like... um... oh, wait. As for abundance, a jpeg of a red hat sure is abundant. | |
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Basically, 001, you do not understand the LOA. Take it from me. I am not being condescending or patronising or anything like that. You are just new to it, therefore there are many things about it you simply do not know yet. Let's just consider two comments you have made: Quote:
For example, you could manifest for a new job as an interior designer, and then the next day, you meet a stranger at a party. For some reason, you just say, "I am looking for a job as an interior designer, do you happen to know of any such jobs?". And the guy says, "Actually, I happen to run an interior design firm! And I have been wanting to hire someone. Would you like to send in your job application and your portfolio?" That's it. You should not make the mistake of expecting LOA to always or often happen in some "miraculous" or "magical" way. Such as thunder booming in the middle of the night, and a loud voice coming from the heavens, saying, "YOU WISH TO BE AN INTERIOR DESIGNER?!! GO TO ADAMS STREET AT 10 A.M TOMORROW AND AWAIT FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE LITTLE GREEN MAN CARRYING AN INTERIOR DESIGN MAGAZINE." It doesn't work that way. Why? Because (and this is an important point), your entire reality has been created by your own thoughts. When you start using LOA techniques to play with a few new thoughts (eg "I would like to be an interior designer"), it's not that your entire reality starts crumbling down to be rebuilt anew. Instead, your new thoughts have to manifest out of the rest of your existing reality. Since your existing reality (which has been created by your thoughts and beliefs) presumably does not tolerate Little Green Men Carrying Interior Design Magazines or Heavenly Voice Giving Loud, Divine Instructions in the Dead of Night ... such things simply will not happen. To you. What will happen, if your intention manifests, is that it manifests in a way that is consistent with the rest of your thoughts and reality. For example, suppose it is believable and "realistic" to you, that you could be invited to a party. Suppose it is also believable and "realistic" to you, that you might meet a stranger at a party, and talk to him. And it is believable and "realistic" to that such a stranger might conceivably be in any number of different occupations, such as running an interior design company. Then your intention could well manifest in the manner I have described above. Essentially, your LOA intentions will always manifest in a way consistent with your reality as you currently know it. Any other way is just not possible, and would in fact violate the Law. Side point - Importantly, your thoughts are always changing, and therefore your reality never quite stays the same. Everything is impermanent, yet at any given point in time, eg right at this moment, your reality has to behave in a manner consistent with all your thoughts right up to this moment. Your next comment: Quote:
For example, if you are a doctor, you would be more likely to notice if you hear someone cough or sneeze. If you are a heterosexual man, you would be more likely to notice if a beautiful woman walks by. If you are a businessman, you are more likely to notice business opportunities. If you are an ad designer, you are more likely to notice ads. And if you program your mind to notice XYZ, you will be more likely to notice if XYZ appears in your environment. See, we all live in a complex, rich environment, full of stimuli. Our brains cannot process all this sensory data, so automatically we are filtering our perceptions all the time. In my lifetime, I have walked in and out of supermarkets numerous times, yet it was not until I was about to become a daddy that I perceived supermarkets to have a baby section and perceived the existence of such a stunningly wide range of baby-raising paraphernalia and equipment. Some people make the mistake of dismissing LOA as an effect of the RAS. That is, they believe that LOA works simply as a result of the person becoming more attuned to things that were already there, but which he simply hadn't been noticed before. This is an inadequate explanation for LOA. I believe that LOA does regularly work by RAS. If you want something, and in fact it is already present in your environment, the easiest thing for the universe to do is to alert you to its presence. However, LOA is not merely RAS. Those of us who have used LOA long enough know that it is not. RAS explains the kind of situation where you want to be an interior designer, and suddenly you start noticing job ads for interior designers. RAS wouldn't explain the kind of situation where you want to be an interior designer, and suddenly out of the blue, before you even start applying to be an interior designer, people start calling you and asking you whether you wish to work for them as an interior designer. | ||
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