You've been fed a lie.

[infinitethoughts]

That "the" world exists.

Let's take this apart.
To say "the" world means one world.

If that were true, then Everybody would be seeing exactly what you are seeing, right now.

I see it as, Awarenesses pushing and pulling to get you into their worlds and their agendas.

You do have a choice.

[001]

I think the world exists, but people have different perceptions of it. We can all be in different places, doing/seeing/feeling different things, and still all be on the same planet. That's what's so beautiful about it.

[Ninja]

I think the world is like a painting: it looks different everytime, depending on your viewangle, the light (morning? afternood? artificial? colored?), the sunglasses you are wearing (if any), the colors you are able to perceive, and so on. We all see the same painting... but yet, we don't. And what does the painting really look like, anyway? What is the true light? What is the true angle? There is none.

[001]

Originally Posted by Ninja

I think the world is like a painting: it looks different everytime, depending on your viewangle, the light (morning? afternood? artificial? colored?), the sunglasses you are wearing (if any), the colors you are able to perceive, and so on. We all see the same painting... but yet, we don't. And what does the painting really look like, anyway? What is the true light? What is the true angle? There is none.

This is a beautiful way of putting it. Brilliant metaphor.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by 001

I think the world exists, but people have different perceptions of it. We can all be in different places, doing/seeing/feeling different things, and still all be on the same planet. That's what's so beautiful about it.

"The" world only exists as a linquistic term. In other words, all that exists for you, is your reality. You then expand your reality by interacting with other Awarenesses, whether it be in person, by phone, reading the news, etc. Then technically, "the" world starts existing.

When you go back to being by yourself, "the" world stops existing again. This goes for each Awareness.

The whole, "When two or more are gathered", thing.

[torilink]

"The World" is a projected image based upon mental concepts - your self concept to be exact. Usually it is the ego's self concept being projected out and that pretty much explains the suffering and "Sin" seen outside the self.

As the egoic mind diminishes, the outer world reflects the actualized self and perceptions about the outer reality shift.

Others are parts of the self projected out into "The World" - separate parts of the whole. All are aspects or parts of the mind that are disassociated. So long as we believe they exist apart from us they do regardless of if we are interacting with them or not.

When we go inward we find the completeness we seek in the outer world, but we cannot find wholeness in a projected image.

This is why changing beliefs & thoughts tweaks the outer reality, it is merely a reflection.

I don't think there are "Awarenesses" only Awareness -

[Parthon]

I would also like to ask the question "Why the world?"

Perhaps awareness and reality can't be separated. That we all see the world in a different way is obviously apprent, but if we experience the world because we are aware, are we also aware in order to experience the world.

Why are we aware of this place?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by torilink

I don't think there are "Awarenesses" only Awareness -

Well to say there is only "one" Awareness, is the same trap as saying that "the" (one) world exists.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Parthon

I would also like to ask the question "Why the world?"

Perhaps awareness and reality can't be separated. That we all see the world in a different way is obviously apprent, but if we experience the world because we are aware, are we also aware in order to experience the world.

Why are we aware of this place?

Right. Awareness and reality are not separated. The fact that we all have different experiences shows we all have our own "world" (for lack of a better term.) This never ends.

What do you mean by the the phrase Why are we aware of this place?
Interesting question.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Well to say there is only "one" Awareness, is the same trap as saying that "the" (one) world exists.

why do you think this? as I understand it you are saying that to believe there is ONE consciousness is a trap?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Well to say there is only "one" Awareness, is the same trap as saying that "the" (one) world exists.

Awareness comes from that which has not been manifest, the void, which is one source. There is not a trap there. There is no illusion. That of which each of us becomes aware, is not one thing, but that is the illusion. Awareness gets stuck in looking at form as some "thing", when really it's just duality playing in form so that awareness can experience a realm through us. We forget that we are awareness coming from the void. That forgetting is what makes duality, and the illusion of the world, be something with which we we can identify and into what we project. There are other realms our spirits are in that our small self is not remembering. Although all the realms are also running through us in an overlay of some kind.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by torilink

why do you think this? as I understand it you are saying that to believe there is ONE consciousness is a trap?

Because I like teach myself from Direct Experiencing and not listening to other's teachings. (A fun thing to do in itself.)

If there were one consciousness, everybody would be thinking the same exact thing.

Clearly this does not happen.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

That "the" world exists.

Let's take this apart.
To say "the" world means one world.

If that were true, then Everybody would be seeing exactly what you are seeing, right now.

I see it as, Awarenesses pushing and pulling to get you into their worlds and their agendas.

You do have a choice.

Your assertion is one that can be neither proved or disproved, because we can't ever be in somebody else's mind. Besides there are plenty of reasons why people could view the world differently apart from the world not being real. For example, people view the world from different perspectives, and what they see is a different part of the world. Different filters.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Awareness comes from that which has not been manifest, the void, which is one source.

Right. It's the backdrop, the background of what we are. But clearly you have your Awareness and I have mine. Your thoughts and experiences are yours and I have mine.

Will there come a time when you are I are merged and become "one". No.

Your distinct awareness has existed, will exist and will never end.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Right. It's the backdrop, the background of what we are. But clearly you have your Awareness and I have mine. Your thoughts and experiences are yours and I have mine.

Will there come a time when you are I are merged and become "one". No.

Your distinct awareness has existed, will exist and will never end.

the background or container of awareness is what you are.

All the other stuff, the thoughts & experiences & concepts are temporary and will end. all of that is just shadow and light dancing about on the screen of awareness - the egoic identity.

when that ends what is left? One.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Plato

Your assertion is one that can be neither proved or disproved, because we can't ever be in somebody else's mind. Besides there are plenty of reasons why people could view the world differently apart from the world not being real. For example, people view the world from different perspectives, and what they see is a different part of the world. Different filters.

You're missing my point. It's proved by what you just said.

"because we can't ever be in somebody else's mind."

Which is my original point. If there were "one" world we would all have one mind.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by torilink

the background or container of awareness is what you are.

All the other stuff, the thoughts & experiences & concepts are temporary and will end. all of that is just shadow and light dancing about on the screen of awareness - the egoic identity.

when that ends what is left? One.

No. Two. Because I'm talking to you. If there were One, you wouldn't be talking to me. Right?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by torilink

All the other stuff, the thoughts & experiences & concepts are temporary and will end.

Who said that. And how do they know ?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

No. Two. Because I'm talking to you. If there were One, you wouldn't be talking to me. Right?

the conceptual self you believe yourself to be is talking to someone you believe is a separate being. I cannot say that you exist separate from me, what I can say is we neither one exist. We are both illusory identities in which consciousness experiences.

The ego identity must believe itself separate and the outer manifest realm real in order for the game to go on and for conscious awareness to experience it.

both ego identities will end at some point - what is left then is what we truly are and that is one thing - the same thing, there is no merging back into what we have never left.

[001]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

"The" world only exists as a linquistic term. In other words, all that exists for you, is your reality. You then expand your reality by interacting with other Awarenesses, whether it be in person, by phone, reading the news, etc. Then technically, "the" world starts existing.

When you go back to being by yourself, "the" world stops existing again. This goes for each Awareness.

The whole, "When two or more are gathered", thing.

Well, yes, but I think most people know that.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

You're missing my point. It's proved by what you just said.

"because we can't ever be in somebody else's mind."

Which is my original point. If there were "one" world we would all have one mind.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is...

Is this close? Solipsism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by torilink

what I can say is we neither one exist.

But you do exist. I'm talking to you right now.

Originally Posted by torilink

both ego identities will end at some point -

Who told you this?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by 001

Well, yes, but I think most people know that.

I'd have to disagree. Most people, the masses, think they are in someone else's universe.

Just look how they are shuffled around in their thinking.