KFC protest and the Law of Attraction

[001]

Since the Law of Attraction holds that when protesting against things, you actually make them stronger, what would be the proper way for one to go about protesting KFC? I want people to know how they treat their chickens so they will stop eating there, but I don't want to empower them through a protest against them. Does anyone have any advice on how to go about this?

[Jennihul]

Like me you can use your buying power to speak for yourself. I try to only buy free-range chickens from companies that know what free-range means.

Then, when you are at work, tell your friends how delicious this free-range chicken is compared to factory farmed chicken. MMMMM. Throw in a little disgust comment about how absolutely grotesquely we allow the food we put in our mouths to be treated prior to us buying it. Urine. Feces. Disease. Plant a seed.

Fertilize it once in awhile with another seemingly random comment.

I got my friends to stop admitting they shop at Walmart using that technique. They may still go there but at least in the front of their minds they know there is something "wrong" about it, whether they personally believe it or not.

That's how minds change...I like to think that my small efforts and the efforts of others, compared to Walmart's massive customer base, are why Walmart is actually changing, finally.

You could just say when someone mentions KFC or sees a commercial on TV: "Oh, I don't eat there..." make a shuddering motion and let them get curious. (Actually, their mashed potatoes and fake gravy are so addicting but they are so full of fakeness they actually make my heart beat funny! )

Also, you can support companies that make sincere efforts to beat the status quo by actively investing your money in their stocks.

see Co-op America: Economic Action for a Just Planet in their social investing section. This is also THE resource for anyone that thinks like you do....


Jennifer

[001]

Thanks, this is some good advice. I'll definitely use these techniques with friends. As far as protesting goes, are you saying that I shouldn't protest KFC in addition to not eating there, because no matter how I set it up, I will only end up helping them? I just feel like most of the people who eat there don't even know the kind of abuse they are supporting.

[Jennihul]

I personally don't believe in protesting. Boycotting is OK. But supporting the opposite of what you dislike is best.

Jennifer

[001]

Good call! So you're saying the best option would be a rally in favor of Animal Rights?

[Mags]

Once you've identified what you're against, you need to identify what you're actually for, and then you focus your efforts there.

So, you start off by being against KFC and cruelty towards animals. As you've so rightly stated, putting your attention there just strengthens that position. So what are you for? In this case, there are a few options, e.g. you could be for fair and ethical treatment of animals who will be killed for food (i.e for free-range chickens), or you could be for vegetarianism - where you put your focus depends on you, but either way, you'll have far more of an impact if you put your energy and attention on one of these kinds of options.

A rally could work, but I often find that even those rallies with the best of intentions often degenerate into militant anti-something rallies rather than upholding the positive message clearly.

[001]

I just really want people to know what KFC is doing. Without factoring in the LoA, the more people that know of KFC's cruel practices, the fewer will eat there. How can I inform people of what's going on without empowering it?

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

Like me you can use your buying power to speak for yourself. I try to only buy free-range chickens from companies that know what free-range means.

Then, when you are at work, tell your friends how delicious this free-range chicken is compared to factory farmed chicken. MMMMM. Throw in a little disgust comment about how absolutely grotesquely we allow the food we put in our mouths to be treated prior to us buying it. Urine. Feces. Disease. Plant a seed.

Hi Jennifer,

I haven't read this thread past this point, because I just had to say...

Animal rights activists, who display (on websites etc) sickening images of how animals are treated, are too forceful in pushing their message on people, using shock tactics, and I'm don't think that is the most effective way to facilitate change.

When I see such websites, I just think 'fanatics', beacuse they're too forceful in trying to get their message across. So while they may have a good underlying point, it gets ignored because they're too 'full on'.

In contrast, what you suggested above, in a more calm manner, would be way more effective (on me personally); just calmly stating the facts (unbiased) and not trying to force anything on anyone, or trying to make people change, just allowing them the space to change if they choose to.

Educating people as to where they can get free range meats etc. Most people buy regular meats, I should imagine, because it's convenient and easily accessable, and they don't know that other options are avialable, or where to buy etc.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by 001

I just really want people to know what KFC is doing. Without factoring in the LoA, the more people that know of KFC's cruel practices, the fewer will eat there. How can I inform people of what's going on without empowering it?

Maybe not focus on KFC, but focus on the alternatives? and benefits to eating good quality food vs bad quality food.

[Mags]

Originally Posted by 001

I just really want people to know what KFC is doing. Without factoring in the LoA, the more people that know of KFC's cruel practices, the fewer will eat there. How can I inform people of what's going on without empowering it?

People already know. They know that KFC is unhealthy. They know that most practices for killing animals for food are cruel.

They keep supporting companies like KFC because they don't have a clear alternative that provides them with the same benefits (e.g. good tasting food, fast food - whatever... the benefits will vary from person to person).

What you need to do is show them this clear alternative, not make them feel bad for eating KFC (that will probably just result in denial and cognitive dissonance).

Show them something better and they will change their behaviour.

[001]

Okay, I think you guys are right... instead of telling people about KFC, I should tell people about the benefits of vegetarianism, or at least of eating somewhere other than KFC if they are going to eat meat. Thanks.

But I still wonder: Is there any way I could manifest KFC out of business? Even just one location?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by 001

Okay, I think you guys are right... instead of telling people about KFC, I should tell people about the benefits of vegetarianism, or at least of eating somewhere other than KFC if they are going to eat meat. Thanks.

But I still wonder: Is there any way I could manifest KFC out of business? Even just one location?

you can only change your reality from the inside out.

the problem really lies with our beliefs which create our feelings and intentions.

you feel animals are helpless creatures being victimized by certain companies and human beings. explore the thoughts you have about the animals, the companies, and the people.

you want to destroy a company, your egoic mind justifies this by making you "Right" and the company "Wrong" - you good, them bad - so your attack thoughts are justified.

Rather than attack thoughts, how can you change your belief structures to manifest a more peaceful outcome?

I have chickens, I love them, I feed them - they are my friends - they provide me with eggs and on occasion a nice chicken stew or chicken & dumpling meal. But I respect and value them and so I choose to keep them and care for them as I believe they should be treated. This is how I've resolved my issues with the food industry, we've also had dairy goats & other animals to sustain ourselves while making sure the animal is cared for in a manner consistent with our values.

Certainly if you cannot or don't wish to raise animals yourself and care for them in the manner you desire they be cared for - you could simply abstain from buying any product you believe is tainted by practices you don't support.

but it really goes back to changing your beliefs, your mental attitude & your own self first by focusing on how you desire it to be.

Destroying a company in the outer world will be of no value - ten more just like them will probably pop up to take their place. Its how it works.

jmho

[001]

Originally Posted by torilink

Rather than attack thoughts, how can you change your belief structures to manifest a more peaceful outcome?

I have chickens, I love them, I feed them - they are my friends - they provide me with eggs and on occasion a nice chicken stew or chicken & dumpling meal. But I respect and value them and so I choose to keep them and care for them as I believe they should be treated. This is how I've resolved my issues with the food industry, we've also had dairy goats & other animals to sustain ourselves while making sure the animal is cared for in a manner consistent with our values.

Certainly if you cannot or don't wish to raise animals yourself and care for them in the manner you desire they be cared for - you could simply abstain from buying any product you believe is tainted by practices you don't support.

I do do this... I am a vegetarian and I'm trying to make the transition to vegan. But I feel like even people who do eat meat would be against treating the animals so cruelly. I've found that most people are good at heart but just don't know what KFC does to their chickens, and would probably stop going there if they did know. I guess I'm just frustrated that, with the LoA, there's no way I can let people know without empowering KFC. Does that make any sense?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by 001

I do do this... I am a vegetarian and I'm trying to make the transition to vegan. But I feel like even people who do eat meat would be against treating the animals so cruelly. I've found that most people are good at heart but just don't know what KFC does to their chickens, and would probably stop going there if they did know. I guess I'm just frustrated that, with the LoA, there's no way I can let people know without empowering KFC. Does that make any sense?

It does make sense, but what I was trying to say and maybe didn't say very well is that the outer world changes in accordance with the inner world.

it begins with acceptance rather than conflict, because the outer world is a reflection of what is happening within us. So by finding a way to be a peace with what is now - then holding a desire for a better way is the way to go in situations that cause us to feel angry or frustrated.

in my personal situation, I haven't given up meat - I try to either care for and produce my own or purchase from those who do it the way I feel is best. but , I accept that in the world I see there are those who don't care about the animals - I accept that and I hold a strong desire to live in a world where people become more conscious and loving.

on the other side of this, having raised chickens they are not clean animals - they poop everywhere and eat it too - and like to eat it it is nearly impossible to have chickens and not have them into their own feces - unless you keep them in small wire cages all the time so the poop can fall out the bottom but to me this is more cruel as it limits movement and hurts their feet.

I prefer animals be free range and used to allow my chickens run of the farm, until we moved to another state and now must keep them penned in for their own safety (coyotes/dogs/birds of prey).

so my point is only that often we judge things, even things like animal rights very differently and it depends upon your perception of what is hurtful, good, bad, and wrong for the animal. What I think is better or more humane may be hurtful to another. So I just do my best according to my own perception of what would make the animals life better - for it not me.

[Jamie]

Why not ...

Get together with a bunch of like minded people; have some t-shirts printed up, displaying images of animal cruelty to chickens, plus a slogon like 'some fast food companies are cruel to animals' (no need to mention any names).

Say if you have 50 friends, get togther in pairs, one person wearing the t-shirt, stands outside a KFC, the other person video tapes proceedings. Collecting video for when the authorities come to move you along (which they will). If you can do this outside 25 KFCs in one city / local on one day, the authorities won't have the man power to attend all incidents.

You can use the video on youtube, link it in to a website for more publicity, and also to send to TV news stations.

[001]

Originally Posted by torilink

it begins with acceptance rather than conflict, because the outer world is a reflection of what is happening within us. So by finding a way to be a peace with what is now - then holding a desire for a better way is the way to go in situations that cause us to feel angry or frustrated.

Okay, I'm sorry, I know this seems like a good idea in theory, but there is absolutely no way I could ever be at peace with living beings being tortured and treated in such inhumane ways. I know I should be at peace, I know it's the best thing for me, but I can't help but be outraged about something so awful. I think you've done a good thing by raising your own animals in a humane way, but I don't personally want to do that myself. The most I could probably keep track of would be maybe one or two chickens for eggs, although as it is I wouldn't have room for them to roam (Although that's still way more room than KFC gives them. Disgusting.).

Originally Posted by Jamie

Why not ...

Get together with a bunch of like minded people; have some t-shirts printed up, displaying images of animal cruelty to chickens, plus a slogon like 'some fast food companies are cruel to animals' (no need to mention any names).

Say if you have 50 friends, get togther in pairs, one person wearing the t-shirt, stands outside a KFC, the other person video tapes proceedings. Collecting video for when the authorities come to move you along (which they will). If you can do this outside 25 KFCs in one city / local on one day, the authorities won't have the man power to attend all incidents.

You can use the video on youtube, link it in to a website for more publicity, and also to send to TV news stations.

Though not related to the LoA, this is a really good idea. I hadn't thought of doing something on such a large scale. The video camera is a good idea too. I don't know how I would find so many people though.

[sbdiane]

001 I think you are too focused on KFC as being the source of all evil toward chickens. There are lots of other restaurants that serve equally mistreated chickens. Why pick on that one company?

Rather than trying to bring down the evil empire of chicken killers why not focus on more positive things, such as raising awareness of the plight of chickens, or the benefits to your health or the environment in choosing other options than mistreated chickens, or raising awareness of places where you CAN eat well-treated chickens.

I have an equally strong desire to rid the world of plastic. But rather than trying to bring down a manufacturer of the stuff, instead I try to do what I can to raise awareness and donate a little money.

Whenever my dad sends me birthday or Christmas money I send the money along to an organization that raises awareness about plastic in the ocean instead of buying myself more stuff I don't need (and that would probably come wrapped in plastic, too.)

I also have a web site of my own and I made up my own ads that link to that organization's web site so that people can gain awareness and maybe go there to learn more.

I carry my fabric bags to the store and tell people why I do that when I get the chance. And sometimes, with a flourish, I'll whip out my fabric bag for other uses besides shopping, such as sitting on the grass, and try to educate on the handiness of carrying a bag with you. See, it isn't a burden to do this but a benefit!

Basically, I try to put my money where my mouth is as much as I can and I try to live my beliefs as best as I can in a way that hopefully serves as an attractive force for others. I'm not trying to bring down an empire so much as make it less and less relevant to the quality of my own life. If others see it that way too, the empire will eventually fall on its own.

[001]

Originally Posted by sbdiane

001 I think you are too focused on KFC as being the source of all evil toward chickens. There are lots of other restaurants that serve equally mistreated chickens. Why pick on that one company?

You are wrong in saying that a lot of restaurants serve equally mistreated chickens. Sure, there are a lot of places that mistreat chickens, but KFC is by far the worst of them all! That's why I'm "picking on" that one company.

[SunnKali]

I'm curious where you're getting your information. From what I've seen on the web, PETA started their anti-KFC in 2003. KFC uses suppliers, like sbdiane said - these suppliers also sell to other restaurants and food markets.

It might be corporate speak -- but KFC does talk about animal rights on their website.

Animal Welfare Program - KFC.com

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by 001

Though not related to the LoA,

Well, maybe it is related, in that you're intending to change the situation re: KFC and cruelty to animals, and that intent has worked through me (after all, we're all connected, all 'one'), and this idea has just come through. So, it's nothing to do with me really, I'm just the conduit. Man; I feel soo used!!



It's just one idea, there's probably a whole plethora of better things you could do. I quite like the notion of civil disobedience (for a good, heart-felt cause) though.

[001]

Originally Posted by SunnKali

I'm curious where you're getting your information. From what I've seen on the web, PETA started their anti-KFC in 2003. KFC uses suppliers, like sbdiane said - these suppliers also sell to other restaurants and food markets.

It might be corporate speak -- but KFC does talk about animal rights on their website.

Animal Welfare Program - KFC.com

Yeah I've read that page, but I've also watched the videos proving that it's a complete load of ****. KFC doesn't care about animals, they care about money.

[Jennihul]

Would it be in the best interest of all concerned that KFC go out of business? That is a lot of suppliers, suppliers of suppliers, employees, property managers, vendors, service people affected.

Sometimes destruction of something is mor evil than the unethical thing they were doing.

Why not work to change KFC like I have worked to change Walmart? I don't wish Walmart away. I wish they were more appropriate on every level.

I wish for nothing that isn't in the best interest of all involved.


Jennifer

[garentee]

If you want to make a difference support your local farmers. KFC is going to do what they are going to do.. but the more people who support local farms and businesses the less $$ goes to the multi nationals. I tend to not pay attention to the big companies and focus on being the best farmer I can and getting as many customers to shop from me as possible. You CAN make a difference even if it affects only your community. Think positive!!!!!G

[001]

Thanks G.

Jennifer, I wish I could be as positive as you, but I would be happy for all of those people to have to find new jobs if it means saving those poor chickens. Changing KFC for me would mean changing the title: Kentucky Faux Chicken.

I see what you mean about the best interest of all involved, but what about the best interest of the chickens?

[LoveFreedom]

Hi 001, I am with you! what about the rights of the chickens????

And for these who think peaceful rallies and protests don't make any changes or don't make our perceptions expand - where were you in the last....60 years?

And why exactly KFC talks about animal rights on their website? Wouldn't it be because they are a tad scared of the animal right activists? Or is it because of the sudden enlightenment they have just experienced?

Yes, not eating meat is the first step! Definitely. Educating public is the next one. But the most effective and efficient way of attracting attention (to educate) may not be necessarily totally calm, logical and objective. It often involves cameras, protests, t-shirts, slogans and large groups of people.

As for LOA, contrast is good, as it allows us to clarify what we want and how things can be improved. Then allw e have to do is just focus on the improved vision. Thus thinking in a ways that are 'towards what we want' rather than 'away from what we don't want' is a great way of going about it. From a 'subjective reality' perspective - this would also be the most pleasant and satisfying way for you as it will attract positive stuff into your life.

Maybe a way would be to create the campain that would be positive, with positive images and slogans. For example, a lot of children I know refused to eat pork after "Babe" was sceened in 1995. Food for thought, I hope.

[001]

Originally Posted by LoveFreedom

Hi 001, I am with you! what about the rights of the chickens????

And for these who think peaceful rallies and protests don't make any changes or don't make our perceptions expand - where were you in the last....60 years?

And why exactly KFC talks about animal rights on their website? Wouldn't it be because they are a tad scared of the animal right activists? Or is it because of the sudden enlightenment they have just experienced?

I think so. They clearly don't really care about animals, based on the way they treat them.

Yes, not eating meat is the first step! Definitely. Educating public is the next one. But the most effective and efficient way of attracting attention (to educate) may not be necessarily totally calm, logical and objective. It often involves cameras, protests, t-shirts, slogans and large groups of people.

As for LOA, contrast is good, as it allows us to clarify what we want and how things can be improved. Then allw e have to do is just focus on the improved vision. Thus thinking in a ways that are 'towards what we want' rather than 'away from what we don't want' is a great way of going about it. From a 'subjective reality' perspective - this would also be the most pleasant and satisfying way for you as it will attract positive stuff into your life.

I think you're right. Instead of avoiding negative thoughts, we should attract positive thoughts.

Maybe a way would be to create the campain that would be positive, with positive images and slogans. For example, a lot of children I know refused to eat pork after "Babe" was sceened in 1995. Food for thought, I hope.

That's a good idea. Instead of showing this or this or this, we could show pictures of what isn't there, of happy chickens living a free life, the way they're supposed to.

[sbdiane]

I did some quick research. KFC is owned by the parent company Yum Brands, which also owns Taco Bell and Pizza Hut. Both those companies have chicken on the menu.

Also, wasn't there a video a couple years ago that showed workers abusing chickens? Those were not KFC chickens. It was some other company. A grocery chain I believe.

The problem is larger than KFC.

[Brutha]

Okay, I'm sorry, I know this seems like a good idea in theory, but there is absolutely no way I could ever be at peace with living beings being tortured and treated in such inhumane ways.

Living at peace is difficult but it is worthwhile. Why be at a low level of consciousness just because KFC exist? Don't you give them to much power over yourself?

Being in Anger doesn't help the chickens.

I just really want people to know what KFC is doing. Without factoring in the LoA, the more people that know of KFC's cruel practices, the fewer will eat there. How can I inform people of what's going on without empowering it?

You have already decided for a strategy and think it is just about getting your tactics right.
Actually the scarcity mindset isn't the only available frame.

[Jennihul]

Ok, we are branching out into other issues now...Time to get a grip...A Jennihul reality check.

1) There is no way for a fast food restaurant conglomerates the size of KFC, Wendy's, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Hardees, etc...to serve the sheer amount of chicken that they do without factory farming. Free-range is a choice you can make. It's not a choice they can make. The planet would have to be one giant chicken farm for that to happen.

2) The world is not going to go vegetarian simply because chickens are abused. It's not something to waste your energy on. Not going to happen. There isn't enough airable land on this Earth for everyone to be a vegetarian, regardless.

3) Chickens are not more important than people. That's just how it is. So happy chickens and tens of thousands of starving, unemployed ex-KFC employees and support people is not something a normal rational person would wish for. So come back to us...

4) Chickens are food. They don't have "rights." Not like we do. Yes, I am appalled at how animals are treated before they are slaughtered and cut to pieces and packaged, and I make my choices based on that but I don't have any illusions about my food having rights.

Back to the point of this thread: The law of attraction...

Does this chicken issue make you feel good or bad? If your answer is "bad" you will fail at LOA no matter what you try to manifest. Feelings are the most important aspect of manifesting. Feeling bad means bad manifesting.


Another resource is halal meat. Halal is a middle eastern method for humane slaughter. Just look for a halal market in your area. While you are Googling, put in "natural meat NC" or something like that. You would be surprised how many local farms will provide you with what you want and you support your local economy...

PS: If you are blood type B you shouldn't eat chicken at all...

Jennifer

[garentee]

Why no chicken for blood type B?