Answers to though LOA questions

[Yassen]

I just read this article:
The Law of Attraction
and it makes sense for most things. However there is another question that popped. Quote:
"Being the only intender in your reality places a huge responsibility on your shoulders. You can give up control of your reality by thinking (intending) randomness and uncertainty, but you can never give up responsibility. "

Does that mean that for all the suffering in the world that happens in one's subjective reality, the person is responsible?
To me this seems a bit too much...

Or maybe this is not real, it is just a projection. But in that case, NOTHING is real...

So I am a bit confused... Could anyone un-confuse me please? :-)

[RT Wolf]

Responsibility means different things to different people. You may be thinking of blame.

[Marierama]

Yes, we are responsible for whatever comes into our reality. By the law of attraction, we can only attract that with which we share resonance.

This question of responsibility is very complex, however, as we are all connected at different levels of consciousness.

I don't believe one has to understand all these levels of interconnectedness yet.

Suffice it that when we notice something we would rather not notice, we can change our energy by sending love to someone or to that situation, or we can allow the feelings to rise within us but simply observe them and allow them to dissipate back into universal potential energy.

Since resistance leads to persistence, simply allowing does not add energy to something we no longer want in our reality.

By having some understanding of energy and focus, we can start taking control of what we experience and we can introduce positive energy into situations we perceive as negative.

It is not our responsibility to change the experience of others, for their experience is their journey, but as far as it comes into our awareness, if we want to change our experience, we can project the energy of love or compassion to others.

You may be interested in reading about a form of energy healing called Ho'oponopono that addresses this type of healing experience.

Marie

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Yassen

So I am a bit confused... Could anyone un-confuse me please? :-)

Ah, certainly.

You are responsible for all things in your reality.

But just as you probably would not claim personal credit for all the wonderful things that happen in your reality

(such as Nobel Peace Prize winners; photosynthesis and all the beautiful stars in the sky)

you would not feel obliged to assume personal moral culpability for all the nasty things that happen in your reality

(such as tyrants; global warming and natural disasters that cause great loss of human lives).

Your personal moral culpability ends at the same limits where your personal powers of conscious creation end;

and for most people, the powers of conscious creation fall far, far short of the levels at which one's ego might grow grandiose enough

to want to assume personal moral culpability for "all the suffering in the world".

As the Buddha said, "with our thoughts we make the world". But then since we have such feeble control of our thoughts, we really have very little control over our making of the world with our thoughts.

If you do not believe me, try exploring your own consciousness, with a little meditation.

Or otherwise, try very hard, for just the next 10 seconds, to absolutely ... NOT .... think of a PINK ELEPHANT.

10 ...

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See what I mean?

[WRX AJT]

Are we talking about the same Law of Attraction mentioned in The Secret? Personally, it has worked for me with finding good parking spots...yet I'm still waiting for the stunning girlfriend and the nice steady income

[joyful1]

Originally Posted by WRX AJT

Are we talking about the same Law of Attraction mentioned in The Secret? Personally, it has worked for me with finding good parking spots...yet I'm still waiting for the stunning girlfriend and the nice steady income

When I read the Secret, I felt the same way, but I attracted any kind of food I desired or thought about. I did EVERYTHING the Secret discusses in the video and book. I began to attract other people who had just begun their journey with the Secret, I even created a Meetup group in hopes of meeting people who I though would help me find the "answers". I actually became very frustrated because I was committed to doing the exercises, but nothing was happening. After a few months I realized that my own limiting beliefs were blocking me from receiving what I wanted.

I then went on a long journey finding out how to get rid of those limiting beliefs and after about 3 months I was able to get rid of most of them through several programs and books I came across.

I then read a book "Excuse Me Your Life is Waiting" and that gave me a whole new perspective - it's not what I "think" about, the problem is how I FEEL about what I am thinking. WOW! That really changed my perspective. I did a 30 day exercise she recommends in the book and I realized most of my thoughts throughout the day were negative - no wonder I wasn't manifesting my goals.

In the last few months I have realized that we all came here to GIVE/SHARE our gifts with humanity. Instead of being so focused on my "little self", mainly making more money, buying a bigger house, getting a nicer car, etc., (focused on me, me, me, getting more and more) I began to spend time sending blessings to everyone I know - seeing THEM have those things that I wanted. Believe it or not, it brings me great joy.

I have had amazing results. Now I don't spend time "worrying" about my problems because I'm too busy focusing on the larger picture. Since then, I have manifested so much more than I could possibly imagine for myself - an amazing husband, a new home, a new business (I do no marketing, yet people seem to find me through referrals), more money, most importantly - a sense of peace, harmony, and joy I had never before experienced.

It is true that LOA works, however it takes consistency and a true commitment to personal and spiritual growth.

Ellany

[Jennihul]

Fantastic book....

Jennifer

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by Yassen

"Being the only intender in your reality places a huge responsibility on your shoulders. You can give up control of your reality by thinking (intending) randomness and uncertainty, but you can never give up responsibility. "

Does that mean that for all the suffering in the world that happens in one's subjective reality, the person is responsible?
To me this seems a bit too much...

Yes. This is true. Are you ready for that? If not, how long do you think it will take you to "get" this aspect? It will affect your manifesting.

Life is not for wussies.

Jennifer

[RT Wolf]

^ Even in a non-LoA sense, its difficult to escape responsibility.

For example, would someone be responsible for their inaction? By not acting directly, as in by not giving money to help kids in Africa. The cost of my financial ineptitude and lack of discipline may mean that i hapharzardly spend money on myself and thus end up with nothing at the end of the month, however if I was more disciplined I would be able to save more for myself and for helping people as well.

This reminds me of an episode of Dilbert where Dilbert manages to convince his coworker that unless you really do give everything you have, any amount you give only serves to make you feel better about all the things you buy, which was like twenty pairs of shoes in her case. So she promptly gives everything away and starts to live like a pauper.

[hkalchemy]

Originally Posted by Marierama

Yes, we are responsible for whatever comes into our reality. By the law of attraction, we can only attract that with which we share resonance.

I do not like dogmatic statements presented as fact with no supporting evidence. It seems to be true, form my own experience, that the way Ithink and behave is a big part of how I experience life, and I agree that we should take responsibility for the consequences of our thoughts and actions, but to say that we are responsible for everything that appears in our reality is going a bit far. Are children in cancer wards responsible for their condition? Are the victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide responsible for what 'comes into their reality?'

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by hkalchemy

I do not like dogmatic statements presented as fact with no supporting evidence. It seems to be true, form my own experience, that the way Ithink and behave is a big part of how I experience life, and I agree that we should take responsibility for the consequences of our thoughts and actions, but to say that we are responsible for everything that appears in our reality is going a bit far. Are children in cancer wards responsible for their condition? Are the victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide responsible for what 'comes into their reality?'

All evils are part of a divine plan of what source wants to experience. The divine plan looks evil from our limited views stuck in duality. I don't think victims want to be victimized and that is part of the experience, that feeling. But the divine wanted to include the full range of experience that can happen in 3d. The part of us that is responsible for everything we experience or witness is the divinity in us. In other words, source or God is responsible as being us.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by WRX AJT

Are we talking about the same Law of Attraction mentioned in The Secret? Personally, it has worked for me with finding good parking spots...yet I'm still waiting for the stunning girlfriend and the nice steady income

Still waiting. Watch your words.They are the Programming Code.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Yassen

Does that mean that for all the suffering in the world that happens in one's subjective reality, the person is responsible?
To me this seems a bit too much...

Ask yourself how you find out about "the" world?
Therein lies your answer.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by hkalchemy

but to say that we are responsible for everything that appears in our reality is going a bit far. Are children in cancer wards responsible for their condition? Are the victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide responsible for what 'comes into their reality?'

It's your reality, who else is responsible for what you are experiencing?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

All evils are part of a divine plan of what source wants to experience.

There is no "divine plan". Just your plan. You are "Source".

Believing in a divine plan, gives up your Responsibility to something else.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

There is no "divine plan". Just your plan. You are "Source".

Believing in a divine plan, gives up your Responsibility to something else.

That's the same thing I said: source or God is responsible as being us.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

That's the same thing I said: source or God is responsible as being us.

You're still projecting, by saying Source of God is being us/You.

There's nothing outside you.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

You're still projecting, by saying Source of God is being us/You.

There's nothing outside you.

It's not source of God - it's source OR God that I wrote. And what the concept is, is that we are source and I'm with you on there's nothing external.

What I wrote also was this: "The part of us that is responsible for everything we experience or witness is the divinity in us."

My words betray me, perhaps, because I am in agreement with your statements.

[001]

Okay, so basically what the blog post is saying is that I'm the only conscious being and everyone else is just "imagined" in a sense? That all seems a bit silly to me. I mean, why would you even bother posting on this forum or making a blog if in fact no one else will really read it, since you are actually just dreaming?

I don't think I imagined all of the forum posts I read here. I don't think I imagined his blog post about everything being imagined. I may have attracted them, but I didn't create them subconsciously, as if I were dreaming. In fact, this is pretty much the opposite of what The Secret said, which is that we are all operating in the same universe.

When I talk to someone, I believe that he is a conscious being like myself who can see me and hear what I'm saying; not a figure of my own imagination. Call me crazy.

[dave marshall]

001

i have not read the blog but to clarify for you. Reality is not just in your imagination, that everyone else is imaginary and you are the only real one, so you are right to question this. Everyone you meet is real and has their own consciousness.

This idea that everything is an illusion, in terms that it is somehow 'not real'
or that everthing is within your imagination is a trap that many fall into. You imagination plays a part within the creation of your experience but the experience itself is a real as the computer I am writing on.

we do need to place this into context, in that reality, beyond your own experience is also real and that just because you perceive it does not mean others will percieve it in the same way, but tfor those within the limits of the five senses, using this forum for instance, the computers they use, and the posts they write are real and not limtied to the imagination alone.

one challenge with this whole area is that discussion of the concepts can be helpful but can also can so full of semantics that a person can, if not careful, ties themselves up in a mental knot.

Dave

Everything is real if you perceive it within your experience.

just wanted to re-assure you that to question this idea was right.

[RT Wolf]

Originally Posted by 001

Okay, so basically what the blog post is saying is that I'm the only conscious being and everyone else is just "imagined" in a sense? That all seems a bit silly to me. I mean, why would you even bother posting on this forum or making a blog if in fact no one else will really read it, since you are actually just dreaming?

I don't think I imagined all of the forum posts I read here. I don't think I imagined his blog post about everything being imagined. I may have attracted them, but I didn't create them subconsciously, as if I were dreaming. In fact, this is pretty much the opposite of what The Secret said, which is that we are all operating in the same universe.

When I talk to someone, I believe that he is a conscious being like myself who can see me and hear what I'm saying; not a figure of my own imagination. Call me crazy.

Not quite. You have to understand that for Pavlina your egoic self (whoever you are behind the 001 title) and your consciousness are different. As an example, have you ever had the experience of meditating and having no thought yet retaining some sort of awarness? That awareness is consciousness.

Pavlina's clarified his idea of subjective reality in other places. It is not that you are the only "real" being, that would be solipsism. You and everyone in your reality are all consciouness that's decided to manifest as invidual beings, but you are all connected and all part of the same consciousness that simply chooses to put on different avatars.

I dunno how much I agree with this concept but that's my understanding of it.

[infinitethoughts]

What helps is to look at Direct experience of what Is.

As an example. We all hear of "the" world. But if you are alone out on a mountain top, in your Direct Experience where is "this" world?

What then happens is if you meet another person, then your world becomes "the" world.

Or, if you turn on the news, then your world becomes "the" world.

The Basic problem is we are taught/the underground current of thought is, that all you are is simply a physical brain.

Look at existence from the opposite end of the sprectrum. You are Awareness.

Finally. Is this problematic in trying to decipher and explain?
Absolutely.