LoA question of Irony

[Ace22]

If the Law of attraction affects everything you think about; how come Hypochodriacs are never really sick?

[Ace22]

I wanted to back up this question with an example of my belief in the LoA.

Once upon a time, I had a boss that had a "ski boat". He invited me for a day of skiing on the delta. I told him that I had been skiing all my life. Told him that I was a natural on skis. (doing the macho guy thing)

The truth was, I had never even touched a pair of water skis in my life. BUT; I had this feeling in my mind that it couldn't be that hard, I told myself all I had to do was just point my skis up and hold on.

Long story short. I got up the first time with NO problems and my boss actually said, "Dude you're really good, you weren't kidding".

I'm sure if I had doubt or fear, I would have never gotten up. This made me wonder about the LoA years ago. I know that a phenomena exists and I know there are still questions. Like the hypochondriac thing.

Perhaps someone can explalin that one.

[Anagogy]

It would depend on the hypochondriacs motivation. For example, maybe they just want attention, and are not really worried about getting sick, or maybe they have a strong belief that if they are vigilant and watchful, they will not get the illnesses they are constantly afraid of catching. It's really hard to analyze others experiences, because we are not in their heads driving their bodies. I find analyzing our own experiences honestly gives the best answers to these types of questions.

Also, consider that the people who are "successfully" manifesting all these illnesses are not given the label "hypochondriac" but rather someone with a "weak immune system". So from an LoA perspective, there is something that is not as it appears with the case of the hypochondriac. Or they may be aware that they are "hypochondriacs" and that has become part of their identity, and being a hypochondriac does not necessarily involve them getting sick, just acting like they are. It is a complex psychological state to be sure.

As stated above, I think it has something to do with their motivation.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Ace22

If the Law of attraction affects everything you think about; how come Hypochodriacs are never really sick?

You might have noticed that many of these hypos are also very conscientious about their health. They pop plenty of vitamins and minerals; avoid being caught in the rain; won't eat this and won't eat that; and run to see the doctor whenever they have a vague symptom.

Their belief that they are constantly ill does have effect on reality, but the effect is mitigated by their belief that it is possible to maintain good health by doing lots of little things to protect their health (eg popping vitamins and minerals; avoiding the rain; being very careful about their diet; seeing the doctor frequently.

[Jennihul]

How come everyday in this place people ask nit picking little questions about a spiritual technology that they haven't even begun to really understand? Or tried for that matter?

Jennifer

[Ace22]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

How come everyday in this place people ask nit picking little questions about a spiritual technology that they haven't even begun to really understand? Or tried for that matter?

Jennifer

Nit Picking? This is a major contradiction. The Law of Attraction states that the we attract what we think. Especially things we don't want. Hypochondriacs are constantly running to their doctors for fear that a pimple is the beginning of a malignant melanoma or a stomach cramp the beginning of a hemangiosarcoma of the pancrease.

I'm guessing the logic is, if you think you have it and don't want it, you'll get it.

What's nit picking about that? We're not talking about parking spaces here.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

It's really hard to analyze others experiences, because we are not in their heads driving their bodies. I find analyzing our own experiences honestly gives the best answers to these types of questions.

That is because you, Anagogy, are blessed with a high degree of intrapersonal intelligence. Having had a certain experience, you are able to meditate and introspect and intuitively discover which of your past thoughts, beliefs, attitudes and deeds have led to the arrival of such an experience.

Not everyone is like that. In fact, even if we completely leave aside LOA, metaphysics etc, and just rely on a "conventional reality" model, there are already many people who cannot even see rather obvious cause-&-effect relationships in their own lives.

These are the kinds of people who have various problems in their lives, and put the blame on their boss; their colleagues; their spouse; their parents; their kids; their friends; their neighbours ....... It never occurs to them that the cause of their problems may lie with THEMSELVES.

Of course, as we all know from LOA, the cause of your problems is always yourself.

And that is why it is important to take complete responsibility for everything that occurs in your life.

[Acting Like Godot]

Gosh ..... I sound like a sermon.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

It would depend on the hypochondriacs motivation. . . . maybe they have a strong belief that if they are vigilant and watchful, they will not get the illnesses they are constantly afraid of catching.

I used to be a hypochondriac and this is how it worked for me.

Personally I love these questions. So often the responses provide answers to questions I have. One of my questions is, why don't we attract what we fear? I have asked this because it's commonly stated in LoA theory that we do. This "vigilant and watchful" idea rings true for me. I was just talking (e-mailing) about this recently when a friend of mine flew to Hawaii and since we both hate flying, we were commiserating about how awful it was to have to take such a long flight. She couldn't sleep. Here's how I responded to her:

I would feel the same way about flying that long. I can't read or sleep or anything because I have to sit there and focus intensely on making sure the plane doesn't do anything it's not supposed to.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Not everyone is like that. In fact, even if we completely leave aside LOA, metaphysics etc, and just rely on a "conventional reality" model, there are already many people who cannot even see rather obvious cause-&-effect relationships in their own lives.

These are the kinds of people who have various problems in their lives, and put the blame on their boss; their colleagues; their spouse; their parents; their kids; their friends; their neighbours ....... It never occurs to them that the cause of their problems may lie with THEMSELVES.

Of course, as we all know from LOA, the cause of your problems is always yourself.

And that is why it is important to take complete responsibility for everything that occurs in your life.

Can't argue with this. This is why RT sometimes says that IM is an advanced form of PD. I think you have to EMBRACE self-responsiblity. That is not easy for many people. And you to take responsiblity not only for your actions, but for the things that manifest in your life, is a big deal. A big paradigm shift for most people, I know I was just like that. Best to start small and work from there---see if you can control the way you feel and see if the actions you take in your life are more or less positive. That's like training for IM.

[Angela]

I think hypochondriacs often do make themselves ill -- the stress of constant focus on feeling bad really does make you feel bad.

But LoA isn't just having everything you think POOF into physical reality. There is also that little thing about allowing -- being vibrationally aligned.

[Ace22]

Originally Posted by cylon

Can't argue with this. This is why RT sometimes says that IM is an advanced form of PD.

WTF is PD????

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Ace22

WTF is PD????

PD = personal development. 10-4?

(Our fingers get tired from always typing these things out. As a guitarist, I'm sure you can relate. )

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Ace22

WTF is PD????

Pardon the man, folks. He drifted in via Erin's blog, not Steve's.

And Jennifer, Ace does believe in IM/LOA, he just hasn't completely grasped the spiritual technology yet. But he's big on the Jesus part of it, so there you go.

All he has to do is make the jump from "Ask and It shall be Given" to "Ask and It Is Given".

[Ace22]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Pardon the man, folks. He drifted in via Erin's blog, not Steve's.

And Jennifer, Ace does believe in IM/LOA, he just hasn't completely grasped the spiritual technology yet. But he's big on the Jesus part of it, so there you go.

All he has to do is make the jump from "Ask and It shall be Given" to "Ask and It Is Given".

thank you for the support ALG. Actually I'm on Chapter 7 of Esther and Jerry's Book.

I'm still trying to accept the "Abraham" concept. The only thing that bothers me is that before Jerry got Esther/Abe to write the book, He had made his bucks (not books) in the "Get Rich and Grow" scene. Then they just happen to both become Channelers.

Too many suspicious coincidences. So I'm still skeptical.

Either this book is a "Supernatural" inspired book from beyond; or the Hicks are are a couple of very polished grifters.

Again, it doesn't change my belief in the LoA. I've seen it work. I know why it works. And I can feel it when it's working.

I just wondered when you guys switched from "Personal Growth" to "Personal Development"? PD always makes me think of Police Department.

[cylon]

I've read many of the Abraham books. And I was put off on the fact that it was "channeled".

Now, I don't even think about it. I don't even ask if it's channeled or not, it's irrelevant to me. The content is too good. Don't know if that helps.

[oberlee]

Ace22, they're not BOTH channelers--just she is. She channels Abraham, and thinks she was able to do so because she said something like she was pretty non-judgemental, and Jerry had lots and lots of questions about LOA. So, she was a good vessel--Jerry is too eager--but his need attracted her ability to channel.

Sumpin' like that.

[Ace22]

Originally Posted by cylon

I've read many of the Abraham books. And I was put off on the fact that it was "channeled".

Now, I don't even think about it. I don't even ask if it's channeled or not, it's irrelevant to me. The content is too good. Don't know if that helps.

I must have read that part incorrectly when Theo is telling them that "You too are Channels"

Regarless; it appears that there seems to be more money in selling the "Law of Attraction" than actually aquiring through the Law of Attraction. (sort of like MLM) It also bothers me how Abraham loses her accent after a while. I guess a different spirit is stepping up to the podium. lol........


Ace

[Acting Like Godot]

But Ace, don't you see?

YOU too are a channel. Or could be. Your friend Blake. If your connection were stronger, he'd be speaking through you.

[moonrambler]

WTF is PD????

Originally Posted by Angela

PD = personal development. 10-4?

(Our fingers get tired from always typing these things out. As a guitarist, I'm sure you can relate. )

That's why he typed WTF

Regarless; it appears that there seems to be more money in selling the "Law of Attraction" than actually aquiring through the Law of Attraction. (sort of like MLM) It also bothers me how Abraham loses her accent after a while. I guess a different spirit is stepping up to the podium. lol........

I have similar cynicism when it comes to all these sorts of things. While going around reading about LoA on the Internet, it's actually difficult to avoid the zillions of ads and sales pitches from people trying to sell the LoA.

And MLM too -- for instance, a guy I know is big-time into promoting Xango juice because he says it healed all his physical ailments and he believes the claims that it can basically cure anything. He actually gave me an entire case of this stuff because he thinks it's perfect for maintenance of physical health. But when I went to Google to try to find more info about it, almost all of what's out there is how to make loads of money in Xango MLM. You'd think if it really could cure anything, they would be raving about that instead and by now everybody would be drinking the stuff.

Channeling, too -- at The Monroe Institute (at least when I was there) some people were big on going deep into meditation and rescuing lost souls who had died and couldn't find their way. They played us a tape of some woman who was channeling a Scottish merchant marine or some other kind of sailor who drowned in the 1800s, or something like that. It was bothersome to me that although she had a Scottish accent, she was speaking in perfect present-day English and never once cursed

[Erin Pavlina]

Ace, I'm wondering if you have a limiting belief about money, just from what I've read of your posts you strike me as someone who carries the belief that rich people are greedy or in some other way loathesome. If you don't want to be greedy, you won't want to be rich, and thus you are not a vibrational match for any type of success that you feel will make you rich. You don't want to become what you loathe.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Ace22]

Oh Hi Erin.

Gosh No. I love and welcome the presence of Money. But, I've always said that if you can't be happy without money; you'll never ber happy with money. My intention to play for David Bowie not only is for being his guitarist, but for 11 million in compensation. I've made 6 digits before and it didn't change me.

No I'm fine with wealth. I think I need to be on that 1% that Bob Proctor talks about.

But to me, Art means more than money. Love means more than money and I don't measure success with a calculator.

I don't loath wealth; I loath people with no souls or compassion that believe wealth is the answer to all problems. It's not. If anything, wealth can be (note I said can be) a catalyst for many evils resulting for the longing of wealth.

I truly meant it Erin when I said I hope you become very wealthy and take the money and reinvest it to become more wealthy. There's nothing wrong with that. Yet numbers in currency do not help you define yourself. I don't believe that as a Spirit, anyone came into this world to gain financial wealth.

Life is about relationships. Life is about making memories. Life is fleeting and should be appreciated every day. Life is about feeling GOOD

Money is just one of several tools to accomplish that.



Ace

PS.Blake says hi.

[robc]

Originally Posted by Ace22

WTF is PD????

What the !@$#%!!! is WTF?

(sorry I couldn't resist)...

Carry on with the discussion.