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Old 03-07-2008, 08:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It occurred to me today that utilizing the LOA may be even easier than previously thought. This came to me after pondering cylons thread about syncros. The reason (I think) syncros are showing up more and more for cylon is because he is showing an interest in the syncros. It would seem that by showing an interest in something makes it show up more into your reality, no matter where that interest is placed. So, if you're thinking that the LOA is not working for you, what are you showing an interest in...?

Let's assume for a minute that the Law of Attraction is always working. My problem was trying to figure out how to make it work, I could only get it to work haphazardly (One must understand that it is already working). So, then comes the question, what makes that in which I want come into my reality. Ding (light bulb moment)... Interest!

Using Cylons thread as an example, if your thinking about syncros, your showing an interest in exactly that, syncros (just by thinking about it). But here's the interesting part, it seems that by showing an interest you inadvertently lose the resistance, thus allowing that in which you're interested in to come into your reality.

So, how can I utilize this to my advantage... Let say something you want is more money (sure we all do, right...?) So, then what would be your interest... I AM interested in having 25,000.00 come into my life with-in the next two weeks. The focus should only be on what your interested in, not how it will come or where it will come from or that you don't have it yet...

Ya see, Cylons interest is in the syncros (which I have an interest in as well and have experienced them to the point of down right twilight zonish).

So, here's what I propose as a little experiment... In this thread tell us what you're interested in. I'll be happy to start it off...

I AM interested in having 25,000.00 come into my life with-in the next two weeks.

I AM interested in healing my physical ailments and having a healthy body

I AM interested in experiencing something unusual involving pink elephants (this one is for fun to see what happens)

So tell me what you're interested in...?
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Sorry, couldn't resist.

I think you're definitely right on the money here. One of the reasons I think I've been a lot more successful at manifesting money in my life is because I am interested in money. I have always been interested in how it works, what it represents, how to build wealth, how to invest money, the different ways to generate money etc.

I find that a lot of people I know who don't have a lot of money also have no interest in it, meaning they don't care about money or having it. Sure they complain about being in debt or broke, but if you offered them a free 2 hour seminar on how to get out of debt, compared to lets say watching a sitcom for 2 hours, they wouldn't go and would rather stay at home and watch the sitcom and drink beer.
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HA! Try not to resist whipping out that check book...

I see what you're saying, and those people who complain about being in debt or being broke are expressing in interest in just that (by talking about being in debt and being broke and focusing more on it) that's where their interest is. Maybe not intentionally, but it is still the main point of focus none the less... By just looking at what is... Instead of what could be...

By shifting my focus to:
I AM interested in money coming easily and frequently
I AM interested in performing miracles
I AM interested in telepathy and telekinesis

I AM looking for evidence these things are real
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Just don't forget about the pink elephant.
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So tell me what you're interested in...?
Seriously speaking, at this point in time, what I'm most interested in is all this mind stuff.

LOA, self-hypnosis, magick, creative visualisation, meditation, all that kind of stuff. It's very fascinating to me.
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I find that a lot of people I know who don't have a lot of money also have no interest in it, meaning they don't care about money or having it. Sure they complain about being in debt or broke, but if you offered them a free 2 hour seminar on how to get out of debt, compared to lets say watching a sitcom for 2 hours, they wouldn't go and would rather stay at home and watch the sitcom and drink beer.
WOW! This helps explain the phenomenon of "magick practicioner who can't get off welfare" that's endemic in every pagan community I've been around. They're good at their magick, they have theory and technique down, they're able to manifest all kinds of things and often get themselves out of emergencies such as get the Child Protective Services to lose interest in their family. They can make the social worker conveniently come down with the flu. They can manifest relatives dropping in out of nowhere to offer childcare. They can manifest working vehicles showing up that they don't have to pay for. But they can't get themselves off welfare or become solvent.
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WOW! This helps explain the phenomenon of "magick practicioner who can't get off welfare" that's endemic in every pagan community I've been around. They're good at their magick, they have theory and technique down, they're able to manifest all kinds of things and often get themselves out of emergencies such as get the Child Protective Services to lose interest in their family. They can make the social worker conveniently come down with the flu. They can manifest relatives dropping in out of nowhere to offer childcare. They can manifest working vehicles showing up that they don't have to pay for. But they can't get themselves off welfare or become solvent.
Past few months, I've been regularly intending for wisdom.

I saw that there is a danger in constantly getting better and better with all the mind techniques, yet not knowing how to see the big picture and utilise your powers in a sensible way.

Imagine a five-year-old kid having all the powers of the X-Men combined, you kinda see the risks. You might do a lot of harm to yourself and others.

By intending for wisdom, I hope to stay on an ethical, moral, purposeful and constructive path, even as I improve my abilities with LOA / magick / self-hypnosis.
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I'm always interested in money. [laughs]

But right now, what I'm particularly interested in is:
  • Strengthening my connection to my source of creativity and inspiration.
  • Knowing what actions to take so I can fulfill my life purpose as an artist.
  • Having the physical energy and mental focus that will allow me to take those actions.
As for the chronically-broke pagans who can work magic in seemingly every area but their finances, I've known people just like that. But I'm not sure it's that they're disinterested in money. After all they do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time talking about their lack of it, and what they can't afford, and their debts, and how little their job pays (or how bad sales were at the last craft show they did).

I think the reason they wouldn't go to a debt seminar is because there is a certain subset of people (not all of them pagans) who truly believe that money is inherently bad and corrupting, and that wanting it is a sign that you're just a shallow materialist, and that spending time actively learning how to manage one's finances is something only a hopeless mundane would do. They may think that yes, they do need to pay off their debt, but they'll figure it out on their own, when they have more money. Besides, the guy giving the seminar won't understand their unique situation and philosophy about money, thus his suggestions won't apply to them, so why bother?

And the funny thing is that these folks always seem to be able to manifest the necessary cash to buy something non-essential when they want it--a purple velvet cloak, a piece of jewelry, a ticket to a music festival, books on their favorite topic, a musical instrument--but when it comes to fulfilling their day-to-day obligations to The Man by paying rent and bills, or buying groceries, or keeping the car running? Forget it.

And when they do get a windfall? It almost always flows out as quickly as it came in, leaving barely a sign that it ever existed.

One woman I know is always losing large amounts of cash. She doesn't believe in banks (because they "gouge poor people with all sorts of hidden fees"), and gets paid in cash because she works off the books. So she keeps all of her money in her purse, or stashed somewhere in her house.

Her idea of savings is to shove cash into whatever container is at hand and stick it on a shelf, and on at least three occasions the container has gone missing. Or she had a big hole in her purse and the little pouch or used cigarette package containing her wad of cash fell out. Or she lost her purse (and her cash) entirely.

She once managed to scrimp and save up nearly $3,500 toward moving expenses to another city. She kept it in the box spring of her bed, where none of her thieving friends found it--but the mice did. By the time she realized that all her savings were now finely-chewed mouse bedding, she was only able to salvage about $50.

And this is a woman who routinely says things like:

"I don't care about money."
"I'm not materialistic."
"Rich people don't lead authentic lives."
"If we abolished money, our society would only improve."
"When people start making too much money, they lose touch with reality."
"The people I work for are cheapskates."
"I won't work anywhere that reports my income to the government."

She cares a lot about money. She's definitely interested. But she's also sending out a whole lot of mixed signals about it--she wants it for some things, but not too much of it, because a necessary evil is still evil.

She's 45 years old, working a dead-end job, barely making ends meet, with no savings to speak of. She complains about the state of her little rented house, and blames the cheapskate landlord who won't pay for decent repairs. She complains about her bosses (who are paying her the absolute maximum she can expect for a low-skill, off-the-books job any warm body could do), for not giving her a raise in four years. She's chosen to live an "authentic" life where money doesn't matter, but when she's busted broke it's always someone else's fault.

She's a pretty extreme example, but I've seen a similar mishmash of ideas at work in seemingly normal people, too.
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I guess I'm interested in releasing more resistance, being ok with actually having abundance in my life. I'm getting there.

When I started this stuff I didn't feel I deserved any thing good in my life (which I documented here) so that in itself has been quite a journey. My belief that this stuff works is strong, my allowing something in my life which goes against everything I ever believed about myself and "what it takes to be successful" is the issue.

I mean if all you have to do is think something, let it go, and be happy, and you get it... that's a lot of wasted time in your life. I bet it's actually the EGO that wants to struggle and strain to get abundance.

Anyway, here's my order, lol:

1. Financial independence.
2. Spend as much time as possible writing music.
3. Being healthy and feeling good, at peace, lots of laughter in my life.
4. Being surrounded by positive friends who embrace life and see it as an adventure.
5. Pretty girls.

I may have been lost in the specifics, because when you do that, you can micro-manage, always looking for the how. And you can't experience the what, because you're too lost in what you THINK you have to DO in order to get there.

I always believed the feeling of accomplishment only came from really struggling. Maybe my feeling of accomplishment can now come from learning to let go and actually live my life while I have it....focusing on the moment... That would be a real achievement.

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I guess it would work as long as you don't think about what you are not interested in.

If your interested in losing weight for instance, your focus will be on the weight...

Just what you don't want.

What your really interested in is feeling thin.

You know, thin people don't think about being fat. So how does one go about feeling thin when you are fat?

or, how to feel and be healthy when you have health problems?

Maybe it's better to just make a declaration of what you want.

Just this past weekend for an example. On Thursday night, ALL of the weathermen were predicting 6+ inches of snow from Friday at noon through Saturday afternoon.

I told my wife, that I wanted the storm to go elsewhere. By Saturday afternoon we barely got an inch and just southeast of here they got a blizzard.
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Just this past weekend for an example. On Thursday night, ALL of the weathermen were predicting 6+ inches of snow from Friday at noon through Saturday afternoon.

I told my wife, that I wanted the storm to go elsewhere. By Saturday afternoon we barely got an inch and just southeast of here they got a blizzard.
And what about the bazillions of people just southeast of there who declared that they wanted the snow to go elsewhere?
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Old 03-13-2008, 06:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Moonrambler - hear hear!

I'm interested in;
- improving myself and my knowledge of attracting and manifesting
- straight answers about all this LOA stuff
- why it doesn't work in Africa (or have they all attracted their position?)

I'm being tongue in cheek here but I still find myself oscillating between being a believer one moment and an LOA sceptic the next.

Am I alone in this?

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I'm being tongue in cheek here but I still find myself oscillating between being a believer one moment and an LOA sceptic the next.

Am I alone in this?
Absolutely not. Until we can identify sure fire, repeatable techniques that can be taught to others there will be skeptics. We must be able to tell not only that it works but explain when it will not. It must be repeatable. In other words, it must be a science.

Consider the alchemists who knew something was happening but couldn't explain why. Over time, through repeated observation and study, they compiled their knowledge, learned what worked and what didn't, identified necessary conditions, and finally, with the development of the atomic theory of matter, turned alchemy into chemistry.

Ladies and gentlemen, right now we are the new alchemists. I'm interested in being a chemist.

Ok, I'll climb down off my soap box now
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- why it doesn't work in Africa (or have they all attracted their position?)
You have perceived Africans to be severely lacking in life, and therefore in your reality, they are severely lacking in life.

Nevertheless you have a desire to learn more about the LOA, and therefore you attract constant new food for thought, about LOA, into your life.

So today, you have attracted my post into your life.

And my tidbit for your thought today is that if people are to be pitied for their unhappy realities, then perhaps you should save your pity for, say, North Americans.

For they are much less happy than, say, Nigerians.

Nigerians are the happiest people in the world.

And the average Masai cattle herdsman in East Africa is approximately as happy as the 400 richest individuals in the world.
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ALG - thank you for your post but I find it a bit patronizing to say that "Africans are happier than Americans".

Have you ever been to Africa?

I have and it's an experience I will never forget.

A child dies there because of poverty every 3 seconds, every hour, every day, every week, every month, every year. That is FACT. It is not disputable. It is the truth.

We can all pick and choose what we focus on and the "studies" we reel out for our purposes to prop up our own belief systems but a child dying every 3 seconds is the REALITY. Whether you or I think about it or not.

QUICK QUIZ - which of these realities exist in America and are you saying all these things have been attracted to these people?

Between 12 and 14 million African children have been orphaned by HIV/AIDS. (source: World Bank/UNICEF)

200,000 child slaves are sold every year in Africa. (sources: BBC 5 October, 2001 & Anti-Slavery Society)

About 120,000 African children are participating in armed conflicts. Some are as young as 7 years old. (source: Africa Children’s Charter)

One in six African children dies before the age of five. Most of these deaths could be prevented. (source: Africa 2015)

In sub-Saharan Africa, measles takes the life of a child nearly every minute of every day. (source: UNICEF)

Nearly 2 million children under 14 years old are HIV positive. (source: UNICEF)


I'll no doubt be informed now that because I'm focusing on these issues I too will start experiencing some or all of these things. Ok, well let me put on my 'hat of woo' and start picturing happy thoughts and forget about everyone else. "I am healthy and happy and who cares about anyone else. I am healthy and happy and who cares about anyone else."
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ALG - thank you for your post but I find it a bit patronizing to say that "Africans are happier than Americans".
That is not my opinion. I merely offered you a link to a BBC article about a study published by New Scientist and conducted across 65 countries, by an international network of social scientists researching happiness.

Of course, you may believe that you are right .... and the BBC is wrong .... and the
New Scientist is wrong ....... and the study is wrong ..... and the social scientists are wrong.

And as usual, whatever you believe shall be true for you, in your reality.
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A child dies there because of poverty every 3 seconds
And what is your belief about death?
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...... is the REALITY. Whether you or I think about it or not.
What reality have you ever known, that you did not think about?
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IM is not about ignoring things, necessarily, because then the last thoughts you offered on the situation are those that stick, instead, it is better to creatively observe:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...e-observation/

For example, some other statistics are much more interesting, and still remain fact. I remember my phil prof saying that facts were an 18th century invention, heh. The whole system of thinking we employ is not "fact", it is simply one way.

What exactly is your argument? That IM does not work becuase poverty exists or because of the situation in Africa? Other than the sheer weirdness of the concept and the instant cognitive dissonance, what is your argument? I'm still trying to figure out which of the "rules" of the regular world still apply along with IM, however, its more of a theoretical excersize than an practical one unless you already believe in IM. If IM is proven to be correct in your existance, then this question becomes a lot more relevant, otherwise this discussion doesn't have much relevance. But, if you can't let this question be, then let me ask you this:

What exactly is so horrifying about the idea that people may be attracting their own realities? Do you believe that makes them responsible, even if they are nto aware of this power or their choice? Is what "blaming the victim" as it is? Or if you're talking about Subjective Reality, is it about being personally responsible for these people and their deaths?

Remember two things, IM does not work instantly (although it can), and the situation in Africa has been getting better, bit by bit, as it has around the world:

TED | Talks | Hans Rosling: Debunking third-world myths with the best stats you've ever seen (video)

Let us all try to seek the "truth".
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I wanted to add this last night but the server was down.

Forget about if if it's right or wrong. Think about what works, in your experience. After all what's right or wrong is going to be up to you. You have to make choices in life.

So. As I focus on the moment, and am relaxed, things start going right. My thoughts get reflected back to me. Things manifest. People say stuff that I'm thinking, word for word. Etc. etc, and all the while it feels good, it feels natural, you're at peace, you feel at "home" and you think "this is great that I seem to be going with the flow--I'm doing this and it feels right."

Then maybe you'll see on the news someone got murdered or something. Then that conflicts with your new sense of responsibility and you may feel some guilt since you've decided that you're responsible for everything in your awareness. "Buzzkill".

How to reconcile the two, I'm not sure. But it doesn't discount the previous experience I described. And what's more, in your life, you have had SEVERAL instances (and in an IM'er/meditator's experience even more) where you have felt great, in the flow, all's right in the world. At some point, you see another horrible story on the news. Over and over. And you're still going to reach for a better feeling place, after you turn the news off.

Hope that added something to this. FWIW, I don't watch the news anymore. I know what's going on in the world, but I don't spend a majority of my time focusing on the tragedies of the world, which I used to do as a "concerned citizen".
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Actually, the world over, the standard of living has improved for everyone as a whole. There are patches where there's inescapable poverty and misery, but it isn't the fate of everyone, and even if it's one's birth it isn't necessarily one's destiny. Try comparing that to the situation five hundred years ago.
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:16 PM   #22 (permalink)
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What exactly is so horrifying about the idea that people may be attracting their own realities? Do you believe that makes them responsible, even if they are nto aware of this power or their choice? Is what "blaming the victim" as it is?
What is horrifying about the idea that people may be attracting their own realities, in, for instance, a case where a hurricane comes and wipes out their town, is the opinion for the die-hard LoA believers seems to be: You can attract a hurricane to come wipe out your town even if:

- a hurricane had never hit that town or that area before
- and so you had no fear of it
- and you never thought about it at all
- and you never focused on it
- and you never imagined it would happen to you
- and everyone you talk to in your town says the same thing
- and you had been happy, and feeling really blessed, and going with the flow, and everything was going so great, and you really believed in IM and LoA, and life was so wonderful
- and then a hurricane came and wiped out your town and killed people you loved and destroyed all your belongings.
- and even though you never thought about it, never were afraid of it, never focused on it, never imagined it would happen to you, had been happy and grateful and going with the flow, and it does not correspond to anything you were manifesting whatsoever, and you cannot fit it in to anything you wanted, it does not bring you anything you wanted or were trying to manifest -- LoA practioners insist somehow you attracted all this.
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Old 03-14-2008, 11:26 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I meant more something along the lines of this:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...nd-resistance/

Why does this cause so much resistance in you. I'll expand on this later.

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Old 03-15-2008, 05:30 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Back. What do you dislike the most? The dogma? How can you be absolutely, perfectly, 100% sure that you have no cause to attract the hurricane? Presumably you cannot read another person's thoughts or feelings to determine what they are attracting. That's a fairly large hole in the theory, if true, but its difficult to say if it is. Is the idea that you have to take responsibility for everything in your life that you dislike? I'm not judging you, it can be very difficult to take responsibility for it.

Simply because people say they have never thought it would happen to them doesn't really mean much, in the theory, for a number of reasons. The first being that people are very, very unaware of their own thoughts and motivations. They may not have been expecting a tornado in particular, but perhaps they were expecting something bad and destructive, or giving thought to things going wrong.

I know, it always seems like no matter what counter-proof you offer, there's some way to weasel your way out of it. That's confirmation bias, the tendancy to confirm your beliefs even in the face of sometimes overwhelming counter-evidence.
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You're right. Everyone attracts everything to them.

I'll just go and phone my sister and ask to speak to each of her 3 kids who have different forms of cancer and tell her that is their fault for not thinking positive thoughts.
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I'll just go and phone my sister and ask to speak to each of her 3 kids who have different forms of cancer and tell her that is their fault for not thinking positive thoughts.
This I have also already explained previously.

Although you attract everything negative in your reality, you are, in most instances, not at personal fault for this. Similarly, your reality has all sorts of positive things, from Mother Teresa to Vitamin C to beautiful mountains and seas - and all of this you have also attracted - but you cannot claim personal credit for this.

You may not understand this, but again I cannot be constantly typing and retyping.

What you are quarrelling with is merely your own flawed understanding of the LOA.

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Back. What do you dislike the most? The dogma? How can you be absolutely, perfectly, 100% sure that you have no cause to attract the hurricane? Presumably you cannot read another person's thoughts or feelings to determine what they are attracting. That's a fairly large hole in the theory, if true, but its difficult to say if it is. Is the idea that you have to take responsibility for everything in your life that you dislike? I'm not judging you, it can be very difficult to take responsibility for it.

Simply because people say they have never thought it would happen to them doesn't really mean much, in the theory, for a number of reasons. The first being that people are very, very unaware of their own thoughts and motivations. They may not have been expecting a tornado in particular, but perhaps they were expecting something bad and destructive, or giving thought to things going wrong.

I know, it always seems like no matter what counter-proof you offer, there's some way to weasel your way out of it. That's confirmation bias, the tendancy to confirm your beliefs even in the face of sometimes overwhelming counter-evidence.
It's not that type of resistance which Steve speaks of in that article. It was more a feeling of frustration that people weren't answering my direct question, but that is because we see things differently and it makes it difficult to get to common ground. You see that somehow, no matter what, people attract whatever happens to them. I see big flaws in that theory. Pointing to what certain LoA authors state as fact isn't going to help, because I see something different in reality. And perhaps that's my subjective reality. And perhaps it's simply different than yours.

I can't be absolutely 100% sure I didn't attract the hurricane -- but you can't be absolutely 100% sure I did, either. Without there being some sort of scientific study which would wind up involving a survey technique, post-disaster, of all survivors involved, I don't know how we can ever approach knowing that.

Here it is in a nutshell: This is the intentional manifestation forum, but I often see people talking about the theory of UN-intentional manifestation and working on an explanation for that too, basically by saying it was intentional manifestation but we just didn't realize it. There are aspects of that which I disagree with.

I have a tendency to be agnostic. That applies here too. Perhaps I think sometimes the universe/God is overriding IM, for whatever reason.

Perhaps I think that sometimes it's just that **** happens.
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You do make some great points. I think there is a "generality" that needs to be addressed (in reguards to LOA). I think of it like driving, now there is a general step process to driving. Open door, sit down, close door, put in key, turn key & start car, check for other traffic, put in gear, press gas, etc...

Now, this is the general way to start driving, as you may or may not have noticed, some are good & well, some not so good...

I think that in terms of LOA that there may be a default setting (as in it's always working). But, as one becomes aware of it working, they then can start to take the necessary steps to adjust their thinking to produce a more pleasurable outcome in reality. For myself I tend to think of it like "hey, look what I can do..." (don't mistake that statement as mystical tricks or poof here it is). Sometimes it's a few day type trick (or even a few months), but it still is kinda mystical in it's own way.

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To try and show yourself that this stuff and what some of are saying is on the up and up... try and adjust this above thought a little. I'm not saying you thought is wrong in any way, just the opposite in fact. Whatever you're thinking is absolutely true and always will be, so if in fact, whatever you're thinking is always true then just adjust your thinking a little. I won't tell you what to adjust it to, but whatever you choose to adjust it to, will still be correct...

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It's just a ride and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one.
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Yea, **** happens. Mostly because most of us can't control our thoughts completely and 100%, goes the theory.

Consider this: I recall reading in a number of books (so it must be true! ) that the average human being has between 50,000 to 60,000 thoughts in a given day. That's a lot of thoughts. Truly a monkey mind. A lot of those thoughts we aren't even aware of.

Again, because of the hypothetical nature of your question, its hard to answer. Its like saying that its raining upwards and wanting someone to prove that gravity is still in effect. Either one or the other is untrue.

Objectively or verifying something from the outside is very difficult if not impossible with IM because it deals so primally with the nature of one's consciousness.

That siad, I've been thinking about the possibility of a scientific experiment that might work. Take two groups of people and one of them is a control and the other is not a control. The non-control group would be asked to visualize or meditate or write about (or other methods of IM) about meeting someone they haven't met in years. After every so often, there would be follow-up questions about if they've met any of those people, how and if they met anyone else fromt hat time period or related to that person (and whether anything strange had happened lately, too). The control group would simply be asked if they had met anyone from a few years ago unexpectedly.

There's some tricky things there, though but overall I think this experiment could give an inkling of whether things are flowing in that direction or not. The non-control group would be compared to the control group's baseline number of random meetings with people out of the blue. There's also the question of an experiment that disconfirms rather than confirms and other stuff, too.

Of course, before all of this, I would try to identify some personality traits common among people who powerfully create what they desire, as well as some beliefs which are non-LoA (like, I can get most things I want). This group and a group of non-identified people would be randomly assigned into either the control situation or not.

I don't think I answered your questions to your satisfaction, probably, could you please rephrase your questions?
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