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03-02-2008, 07:16 PM
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 |  Eckhart Tolle vs. LOA
Hi guys, I've started reading the Power of Now by Eckart Tolle and although i do found the concepts very interesting doesn't it conflict with LOA? If I live in the now and feel the present moment and pay no attention to past or present how can I visualize for the future that i want? Tolle doesn't like thoughts but the basis of LOA is changing your thoughts to change your reality. What do other people think? |
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03-02-2008, 07:36 PM
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When you are experiencing pure desire, you're not focusing on having something someday. You're focusing on the joyful, accepting, generous, pleasure of expansion and the extraordinarily willingness (  jeremy) to welcome that expansion in to your life RIGHT NOW. You are creating right now in the moment possibility and presence to that which you desire, and that means you are manifesting it right here and now. What you want is already here, and your job is to wake up to that. How NOW is that!?  |
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03-03-2008, 12:43 AM
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I have thought carefully about "The Power of Now". This is going to surprise many of you - but I think that "The Power of Now" represents a pinnacle in the evolution of one's ability to use LOA. We know how the LOA works. You need concentration. You shouldn't have limiting beliefs and fears. You need connection to Source. What is "The Power of Now"? It is concentration. You stay fully in the present. You pay attention to what is right before you, right where you are. It is the total dissolution of limiting beliefs and fears. Remember - Tolle tells you that fear, anxieties etc exist only in the future. In the present moment, there is no fear. It is connection to Source. (This I think is self-evident. Tolle uses the word "Being" to describe what Abraham Hicks calls "Source"). |
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03-03-2008, 02:44 AM
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Agreed. When I was practicing just the power of now (and wasn't really "Trying" to use the LoA) I believe I got great results. Instead of focusing on trying to make LoA work for me, which makes it work less, a focus on just the present moment and creating happiness now attracts moe of it.
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03-03-2008, 02:53 AM
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I am practicing The Power of Now. It's very hard to stay concentrated all the time. I have to keep listening to Tolle's audio and reading a book every day or I start slipping into usual mode of worring for the future and beating up myself for the past. Guys, have any of you been practising "The Power of Now" for a while? And what are the results of it? |
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03-03-2008, 05:35 AM
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The concepts taught in "The Power of Now" originate from "A Course in Miracles". However, Tolle only talks about this one concept which is an incomplete perspective. When you're thinking about the future, you are thinking about it NOW, are you not? Therefore, even when thinking about the future, you can be present in the NOW of it. Focus and feel what it feels like to think about the future. If you do that, your mind will be thinking about the future, while *YOU* are in the now. That's the best way to think about it. Take the concepts in The Power of Now and add them to what you're already doing, but don't count on them as being the ONLY thing out there. |
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03-03-2008, 06:36 AM
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Hey Paul, didn't know you are also into ACIM. I thought your major influence is Mr Wattles. Tolle, btw, doesn't say that you should never think about the future. He does say that if you need to think about the future, eg plan something that needs to happen next month or next year, then be clear that this is your intention NOW, and sit down and do your planning with full concentration (instead of being distracted by other thoughts on other topics). |
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03-03-2008, 09:04 AM
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In a New Earth, he writes when in the Now you make conscious choices as opposed to unconscious choices when in the ego mind. I cannot recall where in the book I read this, but I do remember relating it to LOA. He also writes when you are in awareness, you are able to look at issues in your life and consciously know which steps to take to resolve them. Hope this helps.
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03-03-2008, 09:35 AM
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The concepts in Tolle's work definitely don't conflict with LOA. In fact, it seems to me that using "The Power of Now" in conjunction with LOA principles makes manifesting things much much easier. When you become fully present and connected to Source, you are experiencing joy, peace and abundance right now. Not only does that attract more joy, peace and abundance to you (because you are a vibrational match to it, as Abraham would say), but you can also manifest specific things and experiences easily. The reason for the latter is that you have no ego identification with anything physical. Instead, as Tolle says, you can enjoy the physical experience, without getting attached to any of it. You can of course apply the LOA without being fully present, but it just makes it so much more difficult. When you're fully present, you take inspired action to manifest your intention, whereas not being fully present often results in a lot of busywork - hard work and perseverance will eventually get you somewhere, but you can often get to that same point much more quickly and easily if you apply the principles in the Power of Now. As an illustration, imagine you want to knock a hole into a wall. You can either take a sledgehammer to it and get the job done quickly and easily, or you can chip away at that wall with, say, a teaspoon (or some such small implement!) - you'll still get a hole in the wall, but it may take you quite a few years  .
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03-03-2008, 11:46 AM
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Anyway some of the things that happened; - More clarity of thought, reducing thinking increases clarity for the thoughts remaining. - More happiness and tranquility, a lot of things just don't bother me anymore. - More small epiphanies about life in general, everything seems to just click. - Much more productive and clear about what I want out of life. What I did was: - Listen to Tolle every chance I get, this means on the train, while doing homework, while walking. Everywhere I was listening to Tolle. Does it get boring? Not at all... - A lot of my fears and anxiety's have been reduced. - Occasionally consciously 'tune in', basically it means while walking somewhere I tune into the silences in between the words. This always gets me in the Now. - At all times consciously keep a small part focused inside me. Now since then I had a 2 week period where I dropped Tolle and I noticed that after just a week or so some of these effects started dissipating. That or I was just getting used to them which is also a option. Hope this helps. | |
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03-03-2008, 11:55 AM
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That's what I am talking about - for how long you should listen to Tolle every day, to make those effects permanent and actually feel a difference in your life and rise to a different spiritual level?  I also feel that if I don't listen to him for a day, then it's harder to keep myself from worring and other negative emotions. It seems like it's just easier to use LOA and change bad -feeling thoughts for better-feeling ones, then to have no resistence to the arising emotions and keep myself in the NOW. | |
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03-03-2008, 01:55 PM
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One of Tolle's basics is that you should stop seeking. The fact is that you can get into a different 'spiritual level' (not that linear) right NOW. This makes the question different spiritual level mood. Anyway if its easier to change 'bad' thoughts into 'good' thoughts then do that. Whatever works for you. I notice though that its much easier to change your thoughts when your in the NOW. You aren't so attached to them anymore, its like my mind is a crazed horse and then while listening to Tolle I get handed the restrains to control it. With that control I can change my thoughts from 'bad' to 'good'. Note that I didn't actually do this to manifest anything but that 'bad' thoughts simply don't feel as good... Any other questions? | |
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03-03-2008, 02:23 PM
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WOW, 6-7 hours a day! But do you feel like something really changed in your life or do people say that you became different (calmer or whatever?)? You see, I want to find balance of living in this world with my ego and controlling that "crazed horse". I think it's very hard to live in the real world for truly spiritual people who rejected their ego completely. Don't you think? Regular people have their jobs, families, bills and etc. I just want to find a way to be happy and content and have my feet on the ground at the same time. And to be kinder, better and more successful (of course) . | |
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03-03-2008, 02:46 PM
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Mostly listening to Tolle while doing other things. Travel time alone is often already 1.5 hours a day. Reading time another 2-3 hours, forums time another hour and then walking another hour or so. Its easy to get to 6-7 at that point, doesn't mean I'm suddenly enlightened. Yeah my mom/dad are noticing a clear difference in me, they say I'm more positive and more productive, that I have a clearer goal in mind and that I'm truly moving towards it now. Spiritual people are regular people. | |
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03-05-2008, 06:45 AM
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Thank you all so much for your feedback - it does make sense now. Acting like Godot - your comments on how staying in the present eliminates fear, doubts and limiting beliefs are really helpful. I've had a busy week so just skimmed the replies just now but i'll write more when i've had time to read them all in full. Blessings x |
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03-07-2008, 01:55 PM
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I would if I had the time, but I opened the book to those pages and it's talking about what I was thinking of earlier this morning, basically, that relationships don't work when it's coming from the ego, and that if relationships don't work for you it's an opportunity to move beyond ego.
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03-08-2008, 03:15 AM
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The passage goes like this: Quote:
"Inner dependency on form" refers to your attachment to desire. "Things, people of conditions that you thought you needed for your happiness now come to you with no struggle or effort on your part ...." - well, if that isn't LOA, I don't know what is. | |
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03-11-2008, 09:23 PM
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It's like going to the grocery store, Jack. In this moment now, you are desiring to present your girlfriend with a delicious dinner, and you are picking out just the perfect tomato for the salad and the most scrumptious fresh pasta. Being present in the moment does not preclude planning for future events. It also does not mean you forget all your memories. |
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03-12-2008, 07:56 AM
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|  POwer of now is gaining anchor to attract manifestation
The POWER OF NOW is like an anchor with which to PULL towards you all the things that will satisfy your soul. It is like a powerful magnet that gives you the highest vibration to be in alignment with the highest things that you can desire. Without being in touch with the NOW, which means to say, you are not at peace in the present moment, that you are vibrating worries and negative vibes coming from your fears, you will never be able to attract the good things that should be yours. What Eckhart is saying is that Time is not to be the master of your desires, you should not let it hinder you. There is only the Present moment, and that moment is continuous. In the case of the Law of Attraction, it is continuously manifesting your desires as you anchor yourself in the perfect peace of the moment where you are. :-) itakeoffthemask.com |
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10-01-2008, 08:21 PM
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I know this is an older thread but it can be concluded that LOA is compatible with the power of now because -being in the now is equivalent to connecting fully with source (who you really are) and -the good feeling you feel in the now is actively manifesting (drawing to you) what you (the real source you, not the egoic you) truly want. Also this is all in line with Steve's book. Truth, power and love all reside in the now when you are connected and open to who you really are. I have never in my life experienced any joy that compares to consciously learning all that i truly am and how i connect to this wonderful world. Bliss indeed!! |
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10-03-2008, 07:49 AM
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I would just like to add why I think some of us are not ‘attracting’ the things we desire. Consciousness, through its core beliefs, generates thoughts, and thoughts generate reality. If I don’t like my current reality, I should look within at the beliefs I am holding. If I change them, then I will generate different thoughts and a different reality. I am not actually ‘attracting’ anything. In truth, there is nothing out there that we need. There is no 'out there'. We are consciousness observing the free-will generated effects of consciousness through an agreed upon structure of conceived physical reality. Manifestation always occurs naturally as a result of what our consciousness is currently believing. What makes current reality ‘sticky’ and persistent is a feedback loop. Consciousness observes reality and confirms it as being in accord with its inner beliefs, so the same thoughts and reality continue to be generated. Tolle is not saying anything new. He is reiterating what is true – there is just 'beingness', 'at-one-ness'. The more we are at one with our true selves in the eternal now, the happier and more fulfilled we will feel, and our reality will reflect that. He just tells it in a way which is easier for the modern, Western mind to understand. Last edited by Cantando; 10-03-2008 at 08:11 AM. | |
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10-03-2008, 09:01 PM
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First I'd like to say how much I enjoy your comments. So thank you... Now, based on what you just said here. It seems as though there should be a "door" or a way to get access to Consciousness and the core beliefs to make necessary or desired changes... Do you happen to have any suggestions on how one might make the connection or realize the connection to Consciousness to actually make desired changes in reality. | |
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10-04-2008, 04:06 AM
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As I understand it we have two choices in life, or rather options, which is a better word as we can have one or the other or both! 1. To become aware of and use deliberatly, the law of attraction and 2. To live outside of thought and trust the flow of life entirely to bring you to perfection. i.e. Live in The Now. Any time we are in thought we are essentially in a trance of some sort (by definition, a trance = inwardly focused thoughts, as opposed to being in a state of external awareness - the now) We may 'think' we need to attract something into our life, and sure enough the LOA will obey, however living in The Now may tune us into another source of information that may change our priorities. For example, I would like to deliberatly attract "enough money that I no longer have to worry about money" however if I live in the now I may begin to realise that I exsist to attain more spiritual growth etc. Remember also that living in the Now is not an absense of thought, but rather a flowing of thought - a place of observation and then moving on. Being in The Now still produces feelings, these feelings are produced externally (from an outside source of information) rather than internally (deliberatly by our concious mind) As LOA works unconciously with our 'feelings' and there lies the connection and the compatibility with The Now. Regards, Martin C. Daily stories motivational inspirational videos |
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