Subjective Reality and the Battle of the Intentions, mixed

[songwriter]

The third one is the one where you win, we say in Spain or so...

Ok. I've had troubles in accepting Subjective Reality or my idea of opposed intentions. So I've mix both ideas and I think it has sense.

You make an intention, then the universe needs time to:

-change to manifest that (subjective reality where you are responsible of everything and able of everything)

-guide you to ways to get that (subjetive reality where you don't create things but you get to find ways to get them)

-you to change your fears or beliefs so it can manifest (resistance in manifestation)

-change other people intentions that are against yours (battle of intentions) or change your intention that is against his... or changing your beliefs to get to know about their intentions or changing their beliefs to get them to know about your intentions

OK, one way or another, it's all the same. Universe needs time to rearrange itself to manifest a thing. Sometimes you've got to be more persistent than others. Persistence or Perseverance is the key for hard manifestations.

(Yeah, what about if you're intending some thing that's "impossible"... History show us that we can't know for sure what's possible and what's not...)

You can think that all you've got to do is stop self-saboting yourself, or just have more accurate beliefs...

But I think that one of the most important beliefs is that other people have their own intentions.
The peoples that have been genocided didn't intented that... you didn't intended that... or the child abused.

The famous example of the job position.
You intend to have it. But your boss may want a certain kind of employee.
If you're not aware of what the boss wants it will be harder for you to get the job, so you need accurate beliefs, you need to know his intentions.

Then you can try to be what he wants or you can try to change his intentions showing to him that your style is better that the kind he's looking for or so.

Imagine you're interested in a girl. You want to go out with her. You intend it. But it doesn't work. What are you fearing?
Maybe it's because her intention is not going out with you. Because, for instance, she thinks you are a "Player".
Then you've got the option of... trying to change her belief showing to her you're not a player or so... changing her belief about you...

But to get to this you have thought about the girls intentions or beliefs...

You're not responsible for everything, everyone has intentions and manifestations.

This last quote is kind of a belief... now you can think if is a empowering belief or disempowering belief..

[Lychee]

I think that if you made an intention and it didn't work out, it meant that God did not intend it to for whatever reason.

For example, if someone cheats on their spouse, could you say that it was the spouse's (the one who was cheated on) own unconscious intention to do so? Maybe not, unless acts were made deliberately to shun the other partner. But if the person is doing good and treating them fairly, and the other goes and is unfaithful, it is the cheater who is at fault.

Gibran in "The Prophet" says that if a woman is unfaithful, we should look at the man's heart (which caused her to be unfaithful). That may be true to some extent, but it was the woman's own decision to cheat on him not his. It's all about intention. It was her intention to be unfaithful to him, it was not his intention to be in that situation- who wants to be? So her intention to do what she did affected him. And maybe it would work out for the best where he could find someone who would treat him better. Everything works out for the best.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Lychee

I think that if you made an intention and it didn't work out, it meant that God did not intend it to for whatever reason.

For example, if someone cheats on their spouse, could you say that it was the spouse's (the one who was cheated on) own unconscious intention to do so? Maybe not, unless acts were made deliberately to shun the other partner. But if the person is doing good and treating them fairly, and the other goes and is unfaithful, it is the cheater who is at fault.

Gibran in "The Prophet" says that if a woman is unfaithful, we should look at the man's heart (which caused her to be unfaithful). That may be true to some extent, but it was the woman's own decision to cheat on him not his. It's all about intention. It was her intention to be unfaithful to him, it was not his intention to be in that situation- who wants to be? So her intention to do what she did affected him. And maybe it would work out for the best where he could find someone who would treat him better. Everything works out for the best.

If the woman cheated is because the woman wanted/intended it, I think. She has intentions, like everyone.

[nsavicki]

Maybe the girl has intentions and manifestations because you BELIEVE deep down inside that everyone has them? The universe is subjective, but not just how you conciously want it to be; you gotta throw your subconcious into the equation, too. I think that you believe that you're human, and can manifest things, so every other human can too. The other thing is that if you think too hard about the universe being subjective, it gets really confusing. For example, I'm all in your head if you look at it from your point of view, but then the universe is all in my head from my point of view. It isn't something that can be easily pinned down.

[Zas]

As far as the cheating thing . . . I'm kind of thinking it's a partnered event. I mean, studies lately point to the idea that cheating stems more from unhappiness than horniness. I had a sort of related situation recently with a man and we've both come to see where our actions contributed to the problem. I had sort of been expecting him to be an unfaithful person far before he actually became that person. He hadn't been acknowledging the impact his actions would have on others.

It seems like two people can just as easily be contributing to a problem. I think the responsibility comes with awareness. It's not really a "fault" matter.


Something else interesting I've noticed is a couple female friends in my life who are consistently being cheated on. And, I mean, the first time you hear about it, you feel sorry. But then after awhile you start noticing that EVERY single man they get involved with has some problem like this. (The good ones who do come into their lives they tend to label as boring and focus on talking about them as inefficient and understimulating.) I dunno. I still feel sorry for these people I see in my life because they can't see their patterns. Even when some guy has a perfect dating history, and then he ends up with you and cheats, then you separate and he goes on to have more excellent romance . . . I don't know. Maybe people just get drawn to each other? It doesn't seem like anything is very clear as far where things start and end. And I can't really feel too sorry for some people because I think that when they're ready to get out of it, the resources will be there. (That's how my life seems to be. I know I've got all this crazy stuff I'm exploring on my own, heh. And that I've been through some colder and darker places but I treasure them very deeply because I wouldn't be able to know such good now, you know?)

It really starts to seem like people are just smaller cells of something larger which are so connected you can't really say "This part is his influence. This part is my influence." It's more like, "this is what we've created."

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by songwriter

You make an intention, then the universe needs time to:

I have been learning that the Universe doesn't need time at all.... This was a false belief of mine. Those who are further along in their spiritual life laugh when i pose that theory....

The famous example of the job position.
You intend to have it. But your boss may want a certain kind of employee.
If you're not aware of what the boss wants it will be harder for you to get the job, so you need accurate beliefs, you need to know his intentions.

When an intention is specific, you can run into trouble. When your intention is general, which I believe is preferred by most, your trip is smoother. For example, "I am a _____" works better than, "I am a _____ at General Motors in Detroit and earning _____ in 2012."

You're not responsible for everything, everyone has intentions and manifestations.

This last quote is kind of a belief... now you can think if is a empowering belief or disempowering belief..

If this is your belief, then you are not God, and who has the power to create or to change your reality?

In Subjective Reality, you are God, and then there are not any other intentions. All the people you meet are characters or avatars in your dream. If the girl is not interested, what is it you want to learn or feel? If she is interested, what is it you want to feel or learn?

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Strem2

I have been learning that the Universe doesn't need time at all.... This was a false belief of mine. Those who are further along in their spiritual life laugh when i pose that theory....

I don't believe that much. So if you say "I want a milion dollars" then it appears instantly in front of you? In that case, congratulations.
I and others start to create ways that we will travel to get there or start seeing ones already there.


When an intention is specific, you can run into trouble. When your intention is general, which I believe is preferred by most, your trip is smoother. For example, "I am a _____" works better than, "I am a _____ at General Motors in Detroit and earning _____ in 2012."

Well, but when you're in front of something you want, then you want THAT. Not a similar thing or an aproximation. I don't mean intention without perceiving the goal directly but intentions like "That woman, that job offer, etc". There's many people here that works the opposite, when they receive something similar as what intended, they reject it and wait for just what they wanted (or something better ;-))


If this is your belief, then you are not God, and who has the power to create or to change your reality?

I'm not God and I'm God. I'm part of it, but certainly there's more people that's part of that consciousness too. I have the power, you have it too, everyone has that.
("I am he as you he as you are me and we are all together")

In Subjective Reality, you are God, and then there are not any other intentions. All the people you meet are characters or avatars in your dream. If the girl is not interested, what is it you want to learn or feel? If she is interested, what is it you want to feel or learn?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but I don't agree with SR. That's why I did this post and others... 3 years ago. I don't think it's true you're the only one with intentions at all.
Also I believe is disempowering to think way.
But I don't say it's not a interesting thing. Mix SR with considering other people have intention and you have an accurate and empowering sense of reality.

English is my third language, and perhaps because of that I don't get what you mean with those question about a girl interested or not

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by songwriter

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I'm not God and I'm God. I'm part of it, but certainly there's more people that's part of that consciousness too. I have the power, you have it too, everyone has that.
("I am he as you he as you are me and we are all together") .....

Yes, but I don't agree with SR. That's why I did this post and others... 3 years ago. I don't think it's true you're the only one with intentions at all....

I didn't mean to make you angry.... I spent years trying to figure out whether I had made a mistake in using the Law of Attraction, or, whether I just needed to keep working and be patient. It sounded as if you were in the same boat.

-- I did make a mistake. I was thinking too much. It's not that hard....

Keep it simple.


Thank you. I love you.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Strem2

I didn't mean to make you angry.... I spent years trying to figure out whether I had made a mistake in using the Law of Attraction, or, whether I just needed to keep working and be patient. It sounded as if you were in the same boat.

-- I did make a mistake. I was thinking too much. It's not that hard....

Keep it simple.


Thank you. I love you.

Hey I'm not angry . I'm in the same boat for 2 old intentions that never seem to manifest. Now I'm thinking that I have those intentions but my visualizations are different from the intentions really.
And I've manifested what I've being visualizing, but not the written intentions.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by songwriter

You're not responsible for everything, everyone has intentions and manifestations.

I am responsible for how reality occurs for me. In reality as I play it, that means that I am responsible for everything. How reality occurs for me is that everyone (whether I see them as aspects of myself, or I see them as separate individuals in an objective sense -- I can move freely between the two points of view, because each is equally "true") has intentions and manifestations.

If a wife has sex with someone other than her husband, who is "unfaithful" -- the person who doesn't have faith in the promise that she made, or the person who doesn't have faith that the other is doing the right thing for herself by breaking her promise? A couple actually powerfully manifests "cheating" by believing it's possible to "cheat" -- and by making a vow that they will not "cheat" on each other.

It's very much like vowing never to become like your parents -- by focusing on your negative feelings, and by judging this or that behavior as wrong or bad in yourself or others, you actually are operating in the universe to dynamically build the exact thing you consciously DON'T want -- both for yourself and for others. It's funny!

As for the boss question: I'd ask myself, do I want to *get* this job (never mind my potential boss's intentions) or do I want to create a life in which I am aligned with the perfect persons to generate value, boldly and purposefully? Cuz if I'm doing the latter, I'm not going to be interested in working with an employer who isn't actively intending me. Of course, I have tools to help her to actively intend me, if that's the right step for her! (She might be a little fuzzy on the concept, and I'm doing her a favor by helping her to be present to the incredible value of working with me. ).

Again, this is so whether she's an avatar or a separate objective creature. (What's a good word for this, a person who is an objectively separate, not connected, not an aspect of Oneness? The concept is so far out of my normal consciousness that I don't have handy vocabulary to express it.)

If I'm engaging with a person, I am responsible for how his intentions/manifestations occur for me. Is he a "cheater" or a "shmuck who won't hire me"? Or is he someone I love and want joy, abundance, and freedom of choice for? Is she someone who bugs me, or someone who is showing me something about myself, and therefore deserves my gratitude?

Subjective, objective.....either way, it's me, not them.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Angela

I am responsible for how reality occurs for me. In reality as I play it, that means that I am responsible for everything. How reality occurs for me is that everyone (whether I see them as aspects of myself, or I see them as separate individuals in an objective sense -- I can move freely between the two points of view, because each is equally "true") has intentions and manifestations.



If a wife has sex with someone other than her husband, who is "unfaithful" -- the person who doesn't have faith in the promise that she made, or the person who doesn't have faith that the other is doing the right thing for herself by breaking her promise? A couple actually powerfully manifests "cheating" by believing it's possible to "cheat" -- and by making a vow that they will not "cheat" on each other.



It's very much like vowing never to become like your parents -- by focusing on your negative feelings, and by judging this or that behavior as wrong or bad in yourself or others, you actually are operating in the universe to dynamically build the exact thing you consciously DON'T want -- both for yourself and for others. It's funny!

As for the boss question: I'd ask myself, do I want to *get* this job (never mind my potential boss's intentions) or do I want to create a life in which I am aligned with the perfect persons to generate value, boldly and purposefully? Cuz if I'm doing the latter, I'm not going to be interested in working with an employer who isn't actively intending me. Of course, I have tools to help her to actively intend me, if that's the right step for her! (She might be a little fuzzy on the concept, and I'm doing her a favor by helping her to be present to the incredible value of working with me. ).

Again, this is so whether she's an avatar or a separate objective creature. (What's a good word for this, a person who is an objectively separate, not connected, not an aspect of Oneness? The concept is so far out of my normal consciousness that I don't have handy vocabulary to express it.)

If I'm engaging with a person, I am responsible for how his intentions/manifestations occur for me. Is he a "cheater" or a "shmuck who won't hire me"? Or is he someone I love and want joy, abundance, and freedom of choice for? Is she someone who bugs me, or someone who is showing me something about myself, and therefore deserves my gratitude?

Subjective, objective.....either way, it's me, not them.

I don't believe in all this. Other people intentions play a big role in everyone's life. Sometimes you have just the opposite intention of what happens cause other have other ambitions.

In the cheating example, I agree 50% (cause I believe SR it's 50% of how things goes). If a husbands fears his wife is gonna cheat, then he's gonna control her and all those stuff, motivating her to cheat...

BUT then there's the intentions of the wife. In those situations some women cheat, but some don't treated just the same way, cause they're too honest or whatever, it's simply out of their intentions.
And others cheat even when the husband has no fear of her cheating.

So yes, you're more like to having a cheating wife, if you have that in your mind often. But it's not ONLY about that at all.

That's what I mean, SR points of view is half of the explanation and the other are the rest of the people intentions.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by songwriter

So yes, you're more like to having a cheating wife, if you have that in your mind often.

No, what I was saying is: you're more likely to have a cheating wife, if you believe it's possible for a wife to "cheat." If you don't, then your wife will never cheat on you. It's 100% within your control.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Angela

No, what I was saying is: you're more likely to have a cheating wife, if you believe it's possible for a wife to "cheat." If you don't, then your wife will never cheat on you. It's 100% within your control.

Well, I believe everything is possible, cause it really is.

So you state than if one believes anything is not possible that thing can not happen to him?...

So, you've never ever been surprised with any discovery or unexpected fact
that you though it was impossible?

For instance, lots of people thought it was IMPOSSIBLE for the price of houses to go down (I had a lot of talks about that).... yet now they have discovered that's possible too.

Lots of people think/though it was impossible to go the Moon, discover America... etc (you know, the famous words "Who could have imagine this?")

or lots think it's impossible that his husband/wife/sons/neighbour is a serial killer... and yet it happens to them...

Lots of people discover after years of marriage things that thought to be impossible in his couple (they're bi/homosexual, they have a double life, etc.)

People that is less open-minded find many things impossible, yet they happen anyway and they happen to them too, so I don't think this make sense.


If it was that way, all the people thinking it was impossible for market prices or house to go down would have had "total control" over the marketprice of their house... and it's not true


and anyway... I guess you hold the belief "everything is possible", if you believe that you can't have 100% control of anything thinking it can not happen cause you believe everything can happen