LoA and Mental Illness

[Nikaia]

There's another thread going on right now, about whether or not LoA can change the physical body - for example, changing eye color, curing diseases, etc. This made me think...what about using LoA to cure mental illnesses?

I have clinical depression, and have for about ten years. I'm on medication to control it, but it's kind of hit-or-miss sometimes, and I really resent being tied to a stupid pill in order to remain functional. So do you think it would be possible to LoA myself into a fully and properly functional brain? What about someone who has, I don't know, schizophrenia? Anxiety and panic attacks? Bipolar?

Has anyone here tried this before? If so, how did it work?

Thanks for your input.

[jeff3]

I'm in the same boat. Actually, I found the right drug by using LOA and have taken it for almost 10 years, but, have recently stopped taking it and things are not going as well as I had hoped. I think it's definitely possible to get off the drugs, but it may require more lifestyle changes than taking meds did. LOA, in my experience, usually provides the best tool for the job and , in my case, it was a pill, but now that I want to get off the meds, I may have to go with the "next best tool", whatever that may be. It may actually require effort , like a regular exercise regimen and diet change.

[fellowtraveler]

Joseph Campbell said it best, that schizophrenics are drowning in the waters that mystics delight in swimming in. Since my boy's psychotic episode I've avoided trying to get him into spiritual stuff...just too much information.

However, if your illness is limited to deprssion (and not paranoid delusions, hallucinations, voices, etc.), then I think exercising your will to heal yourself is very do-able. Try it with other things first.

As far as the pills go...that's life. If you can't muster the correct vibrations on your own, the medicine does it for you. Better than suffering, IMHO.

[elena]

hi guys, i'm not claiming to know anything about mental illness...i am just interested in spirituality, LoA, psych, energy, health and so forth..and was wondering whether anybodys found any relief or comfort in the say buddhist approach or the mindfulness-therapy approach?

im also interested in bringing community-lead research to the universities (3rd yr psych), not just cold trials that don't translate to reality, but research that ends up bringing people what they really need..so that real-world help can trickle into the health care system eventually.

so for everyone that feels comfortable in responding; what have you found has worked for you..what hasn't worked. what's been annoying, and whats been a real breakthrough for you...?

[Joely]

Originally Posted by Nikaia

There's another thread going on right now, about whether or not LoA can change the physical body - for example, changing eye color, curing diseases, etc. This made me think...what about using LoA to cure mental illnesses?

I have clinical depression, and have for about ten years. I'm on medication to control it, but it's kind of hit-or-miss sometimes, and I really resent being tied to a stupid pill in order to remain functional. So do you think it would be possible to LoA myself into a fully and properly functional brain? What about someone who has, I don't know, schizophrenia? Anxiety and panic attacks? Bipolar?

Has anyone here tried this before? If so, how did it work?

Thanks for your input.

Hi Nikaia,

I too was diagnosed with clinical depression - ten years ago now and by then I'd already had it for ten. I spent about five years on medication, being told over and over that it would never get better, until I wholeheartedly believed I never could. I came off meds when I was 25 and said I would go it alone, and have survived without ever since.

I've spent a long time looking at why I was depressed, from what triggered episodes to identifying with myself as "depressive", in the sense that I see it as permanent and unchanging. The starting point is believing, even if it's only in a tiny part of you, that you can change and that you can get better. And that gradually grows and grows until suddenly, you realise you don't have to be that way.

As I've started to really understand that I can change, all sorts of things have been thrown into my path to help me, from free support from friends to life coaching and all sorts. So yes, I think it's possible - as long as you believe that it is.

J x

[Vasilisa]

I believe I was chronically depressed for several years, when I was younger. But because I had no idea that I actually suffered from depression and I didn't go on any medication eventually I got out of it.
Thing which helped me :
The circumstances of my life changed and I started interacting with more optimistic, light, joyful people.
And I shared a house with a strong, optimistic, beautiful older lady. It helped a lot. I naturally adjusted some of her perception of life and attitudes. And in several years I became almost a different person. It was 10 years ago. And I didn't get my depression back since then. Probably also because when you are young your mind is more flexible and it's easier to get rid of some disorders then when you are older?
May be you will consider surrounding yourself with such cheerful people? So that you can learn from them how to live without depression ?

[Jennihul]

Just my two cents:

I've studied LOA for about 5 years now. In my experience, people that are not 100% joyful, brilliantly happy or of sound mind and emotion do not respond well to the tasks that the LOA puts your mind and your heart and your soul through. This isn't like buying a hammer at Home Depot and banging nails into a piece of wood like The Secret would have you believe. It's a tool that tests you. Makes you drag up your worst traits and hold them before all the universe before it even begins to work. The ability to get the God-like power of LOA to work has a purifying pre-requisite and if you aren't ready for that or strong enough to stand as you are, naked in the face of God (ie: without medication), you aren't ready for what it takes to use the LOA.

That is why all the people here in this forums and other forums who complain incessently that they can't get it to work all seem to come from the same mindset: Doubt. Saddness. Desperation. Despair. Fear. Anger. Greed.

I'm not saying you should keep yourself from trying but it seems that there are countless examples of people that have expectations of the LOA that cannot be manifested without the key.

The key is, ironically, to not need the LOA in your life. For any reason. Otherwise known as the paradox of the LOA.

Jennifer

[dave marshall]

Hi,

if I wee you I would forget about the loa and start to explore your beliefs. I had errible depression for a while and the driver was a complete lack of self worth and many conflicting ideas.

Depression is completely curable because it is a result of conflicting ideas. Explore your ideas and start to understand yourself, learn how to alter your ideas and how to remove the conflicts. No-one has 'depression' it is just a term for limting and conflicting thinking that one picks up along life's highway.

hope that helps,

dave

[Vasilisa]

Originally Posted by dave marshall

Hi,

if I wee you I would forget about the loa and start to explore your beliefs. I had errible depression for a while and the driver was a complete lack of self worth and many conflicting ideas.

Depression is completely curable because it is a result of conflicting ideas. Explore your ideas and start to understand yourself, learn how to alter your ideas and how to remove the conflicts. No-one has 'depression' it is just a term for limting and conflicting thinking that one picks up along life's highway.

hope that helps,

dave

I think the more we pay attention to depression and other disorders and try to explore "conflicting ideas" the more they will develop. May be the cure is just forgetting about it and exploring how to be happy - what happy people do, how they move, talk, think. "Fake it till you make it"

[dave marshall]

Hi,

I accept that the more one focuses on something the 'larger' it gets but there is no getting away from conflicitng beliefs once you have them. The key is to focus in the right way on the right thing. You cannot pretend to be happy if you are not, you must explore the source of your unhappines and resolve your ideas.


LOA works as a reflection of your beliefs and for me pretending/faking it, is not what creating a lovong life is all about. There are always reasons for conflicting ideas, our chiuldhood, parents and our world view all add to our ideas and once you have those ideas they are real for you and will create experience. Ignoring limiting ideas that have brought such pain, such as depression will only increase the conflict, dealing with the ideas, releasing the conflict is the only way to truley create a happy and loving life.

dave

[Vasilisa]

I have a different experience. In my case the more I tried to solve my personal problems, the more they grow. Once I turned away from them and decided to concentrate on living and trying to make the best of what I already have, and living in the present moment, the more help of solving my past issues I was getting.
It might work both ways I think it all depends on personalities.

[Jennihul]

I have had major and minor bouts with depression in my past. Each time I knew what the issue was. It was no big secret to uncover. Eventually, I just dragged myself out of the pit, reset my expectations and moved on.

Everyone who is depressed knows deep down why they are depressed. Even if they ignore it or pretend not to know. But what it mainly comes down to is one's expectations not matching, nor ever having the potential to match, one's reality.

It doesn't mean you are stuck with your reality. One can always change their reality one way or another. Depression stems from expecting it to change without doing the actual work. Which is why LOA can be a literal minefield for the depressed psyche who may not deeply understand how LOA really works.

You have two basic emotions: fear and love/joy. Everything else is an offshoot of those two. If you are not feeling and sending out vibrations of love, good things will not happen in your manifestations. Emotions are the language of manifesting. Visualizations are a tool to help you eventually get to those love vibrations going. Mantras are a tool to help you get those vibrations going. But without love/happiness/joy vibrations, you will not manifest good things. Depressed people should be quite cautious about trying to mainfest intentionally.

Jennifer

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Joely

The starting point is believing, even if it's only in a tiny part of you, that you can change and that you can get better. And that gradually grows and grows until suddenly, you realise you don't have to be that way.

You've hit the nail right on the head there.
True depression is where you feel so frozen, petrified and useless, that you don't care if you just die.
A lot of people are saying, 'Oh, just get up and socialize. Do some exercise, positive thinking', or whatever.
The point is - you've sunk below that level. You can't do anything, and I mean anything. If you could, you wouldn't be depressed!
The only thing you can possibly tolerate in such a condition is to listen to that inner voice, whispering, 'Don't give up. Persevere. Be patient just a little while longer'.
Just listen and believe - and even that is going to be difficult.
Then, things will start to change.

[Chado2423]

jeeze reading this thread is depressing in itself. Sorry to be blunt.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Chado2423

jeeze reading this thread is depressing in itself. Sorry to be blunt.

Try showing some empathy then. A lot of people reading these forums are looking for help in these areas. For many, life isn't always a bowl of cherries.

[Chado2423]

jeeze reading this thread is depressing in itself. Sorry to be blunt.

[Chado2423]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Try showing some empathy then. A lot of people reading these forums are looking for help in these areas. For many, life isn't always a bowl of cherries.

I know... I am one of them looking for help with depression. Life has been anythign but a bowl of cherries for me personally.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Chado2423

I know... I am one of them looking for help with depression. Life has been anythign but a bowl of cherries for me personally.

Well, my heart goes out to you , Chado.
Persevere and don't give up hope.

... and there was distress amongst the crowd. Jesus looked upon them and was moved with pity ( Matthew 6:34)

[Jennihul]

So we are talking about LOA and depression, right? Or has this morphed into a support group? Just curious...

Jennifer

[dave marshall]

Hi,

i think this is relevant here because many of those who want to understand and utilise the LOA are themselves unhappy with their present circumstance. The way to use LOA is to understand your beleifs etc and the point here is that when depressed, with conflicting beleifs causing such problems, to venture into LOA is really difficult. This whole area is devoted to understanding LOA and the nature of how it reflects our beleifs and so to explore how to alter beleifs must be relevant?!?

As someone who has had these issues the past I understand the issues that are faced with changing your beleifs and making LOA work for you, particularly if you have an issue that is causing you problems.

I wanted to add again that any issue (including depression) is created ny the beleif system and so if you want to resolve an issue you must head there. I have done it, I know others who have done it and completely resolved their issues and depression.

Dave

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Cantando

For many, life isn't always a bowl of cherries.

For me it's more like a pasture of 'shrooms

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

So we are talking about LOA and depression, right? Or has this morphed into a support group? Just curious...

Jennifer

Well, my initial response was in agreement with Joely's, which was the 4th direct response to the OP.
Someone else repsonded to me, saying they were depressed and I responded as best I could.
Anyway, I thought it was OK (according to the forum rules) to transgress from the OP.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

For me it's more like a pasture of 'shrooms

But, don't they give you one hell of a stomach ache!

[001]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

Just my two cents:

I've studied LOA for about 5 years now. In my experience, people that are not 100% joyful, brilliantly happy or of sound mind and emotion do not respond well to the tasks that the LOA puts your mind and your heart and your soul through. This isn't like buying a hammer at Home Depot and banging nails into a piece of wood like The Secret would have you believe. It's a tool that tests you. Makes you drag up your worst traits and hold them before all the universe before it even begins to work. The ability to get the God-like power of LOA to work has a purifying pre-requisite and if you aren't ready for that or strong enough to stand as you are, naked in the face of God (ie: without medication), you aren't ready for what it takes to use the LOA.

That is why all the people here in this forums and other forums who complain incessently that they can't get it to work all seem to come from the same mindset: Doubt. Saddness. Desperation. Despair. Fear. Anger. Greed.

I'm not saying you should keep yourself from trying but it seems that there are countless examples of people that have expectations of the LOA that cannot be manifested without the key.

The key is, ironically, to not need the LOA in your life. For any reason. Otherwise known as the paradox of the LOA.

Jennifer

I have no idea what you mean. What "tasks" are you referring to?
What specifically in "The Secret" did you find to be false?

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Cantando

But, don't they give you one hell of a stomach ache!

A small price to pay for admission...

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by Jennihul
Just my two cents:

I've studied LOA for about 5 years now. In my experience, people that are not 100% joyful, brilliantly happy or of sound mind and emotion do not respond well to the tasks that the LOA puts your mind and your heart and your soul through. This isn't like buying a hammer at Home Depot and banging nails into a piece of wood like The Secret would have you believe. It's a tool that tests you. Makes you drag up your worst traits and hold them before all the universe before it even begins to work. The ability to get the God-like power of LOA to work has a purifying pre-requisite and if you aren't ready for that or strong enough to stand as you are, naked in the face of God (ie: without medication), you aren't ready for what it takes to use the LOA.

That is why all the people here in this forums and other forums who complain incessently that they can't get it to work all seem to come from the same mindset: Doubt. Saddness. Desperation. Despair. Fear. Anger. Greed.

I'm not saying you should keep yourself from trying but it seems that there are countless examples of people that have expectations of the LOA that cannot be manifested without the key.

The key is, ironically, to not need the LOA in your life. For any reason. Otherwise known as the paradox of the LOA.

Jennifer

Originally Posted by 001

I have no idea what you mean. What "tasks" are you referring to?
What specifically in "The Secret" did you find to be false?

The tasks are interesting. What I mean by that are that once you get past your beginner's luck with manifesting, the only way you can progress in using the LOA is to begin to purge baggage, sins some would call them, from your subconscious. The present themselves as issues and you can't bury them any longer. LOA draws them to the surface. You can "say" anything to yourself and be happy and positive and lightfilled and joyous on the outside, but if your subconscious harbours any kind of dysfunctions, depressions, angers, sadnesses and fears, or doubts, your subconscious doesn't get fooled by average positive thinking. Manifestations are affected.

I never said anything was false in The Secret. I implied that The Secret is oversimplified. But it is for a reason. Because The Secret is most of the world's introduction to the LOA.

Jennifer